Gates: Bing Is A Better Product Than Google

Too much stuff on the bin.com default screen.

Just give me a search box and provide results. That's all I want. I don't particularly want some random background image with factoids based on my geo-location.

A search box and a plain white background is all I want. Thanks.
 
canna said:
Too much stuff on the bin.com default screen.

Just give me a search box and provide results. That's all I want. I don't particularly want some random background image with factoids based on my geo-location.

A search box and a plain white background is all I want. Thanks.
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Understandable except that, for me at least, it loads superfast (as fast as Google's plain page) and I won't see it under normal circumstances anyway. It's easier just to type my query into the address bar.
 
Babbster said:
Understandable except that, for me at least, it loads superfast (as fast as Google's plain page) and I won't see it under normal circumstances anyway. It's easier just to type my query into the address bar.
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Loading speeds aren't the issue.

Data caps.

Background images and all of the scripting to pop up stupid facts cost data transfer.

As far as I'm concerned, search box only or FO.
 
canna said:
Loading speeds aren't the issue.

Data caps.

Background images and all of the scripting to pop up stupid facts cost data transfer.

As far as I'm concerned, search box only or FO.
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Well, you just type your search in your address bar anyway, with a ? mark in front of it, to search your default provider. So, unless you WANT to see the pictures, there's no real need to go to bing.com directly or google.com. That said, when data caps are measured in many gigabytes these days, I don't see how an extra 50kbytes of data for even 2000 searches a month (admittedly a lot) would really hurt anything....even that would be only 100mb. However, as stated, it's not even an issue if you just use the address bar ;).
 
Overall I think Bing and Google search are pretty evenly matched, I use both constantly and I'm guessing the 80% that I run the same search on both the top results are very similar. Google is seems to update much faster. A post here on [H] will literally show up in a couple of minutes on Google, much slower on Bing.
 
Babbster said:
I'm not. Whatever you think of Google in terms of things like how they keep track of your searches and such, they tend not to bar anyone from their ecosystem unless they're truly malicious (spammers, phishers, etc.). You have only to look at Google Play (formerly Android Market) to see that they allow virtually anyone to compete with their own products - multiple map providers, e-mail clients, browsers, and on and on.
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Definitely this.

We'll see if they can accomplish the latter when it comes to their competition with Bing.
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Consensus on the Reddit thread was that for searching Google was better, but for porn Bing was better.

Google is still way better than Bing on the more long tail stuff. I would like if you could set the side-by-side comparison as your default search engine and actually live with both for a few days. I'm betting Google would win far, far more often.
 
The only two things I've found Bing better at:
1. Bing image search is now better for porn than Google's since Google's latest changes that make it harder to find adult images.
2. Bing shopping is better for firearms and accessories since Google removed firearm names from their shopping results.

So for guns or girls, it's Bing, everything else I Google.
 
BladeVenom said:
The only two things I've found Bing better at:
1. Bing image search is now better for porn than Google's since Google's latest changes that make it harder to find adult images.
2. Bing shopping is better for firearms and accessories since Google removed firearm names from their shopping results.

So for guns or girls, it's Bing, everything else I Google.
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so, 90% of the internet goes to bing? :D
 
djoye said:
I've read that Bing is apparently VERY GOOD at finding adult content, which is, of course, hilarious.
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Which is what I suspect 90% of these 'bing is better broth' comments are rly about :)

Because I've had the opposite experience searching for actual normal stuff on bing like technical troubleshooting or Microsoft knowledgebase articles -- Google ends up finding it for me faster and quicker than bing or Microsoft's built-in search at Microsoft.com (which is clueless)

Porn - bing
Everything else - Google
 
canna said:
Loading speeds aren't the issue.

Data caps.

Background images and all of the scripting to pop up stupid facts cost data transfer.

As far as I'm concerned, search box only or FO.
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Thank you. Its the extra scripts loading in that get on my nerves w/ bing - and I can see how many since I run Noscript for Firefox which blocks em all by default and presents a list. Googles results page much less obnoxious in that regard - its googleanalytics that attempts to hook in and that's about it but ga is pretty universal at this point
 
SkribbelKat said:
Bing's okay. I use it first before trying Google if I can't find what I want. I'd use Google more, but if you add *.google.com to your restricted sites list to block the creepy things Google does, searching with them breaks until you remove the entry.

I only wish Bing didn't have animations. On animated background days, I just search from the address bar since my poor netbook gets sort of bogged down by the moving stuff. That uses Bing, of course.
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Use this no pictures

http://www.bing.com/?rb=0
 
Bing is still absolute shit for porn and warez.

I just pasted the release name of an mp3 album and bing returned 0 hits. Google had a full page of exact hits.
 
kllrnohj said:
Consensus on the Reddit thread was that for searching Google was better, but for porn Bing was better.
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Well, I don't put much stock into other people's experiences, especially their experiences with something that costs me nothing to experiment with.
Google is still way better than Bing on the more long tail stuff. I would like if you could set the side-by-side comparison as your default search engine and actually live with both for a few days. I'm betting Google would win far, far more often.
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Maybe so. I will say that just in a couple of hours I've noticed that searches are much peppier in Chrome on my Nexus after switching to Bing, and I'm not much of a power searcher so if the increased speed holds up I'll stick with good ole MS. It's super rare when I have a need or desire to see more than 2 pages of results from any search engine.

Either way, of course, it's a matter of five seconds to switch back to Google if it's not working out. :D
 
But to be honest, Google is actually much more powerful if you use their search syntaxes properly
 
Babbster said:
I'm not. Whatever you think of Google in terms of things like how they keep track of your searches and such, they tend not to bar anyone from their ecosystem unless they're truly malicious (spammers, phishers, etc.). You have only to look at Google Play (formerly Android Market) to see that they allow virtually anyone to compete with their own products - multiple map providers, e-mail clients, browsers, and on and on.

In part I think they're truly rying to be customer friendly with their openness, and in part I think they're truly confident that they either do provide a better product or can make their product better when it comes up short. We'll see if they can accomplish the latter when it comes to their competition with Bing.
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It's that openess "better than everyone or we will make it so" philosophy that puts google over microsofts closed door "how can we monitize every single feature and lock out the competition". Microsoft basically has to pour in tons of money and commitment to play catch up cause they never lead any trends. Not that it's a bad thing, at least they keep google on their toes, healthy competition is good for consumers.
 
Bing gives me a $5 gift card at amazon about once a month for using them, I use the browser search bar so any differences on the "main" page are inconsequential, and as others have stated results are pretty consistent between the two.

Since the last 2 factors don't matter my decision boils down to "Do I want an extra $5/mo"? Yes, yes I do.
 
Why is this even a thing? Of course he says Bing is better, and no reasonable person can blame him. It would only be a real story if he said Google was better, because it'd be such a huge marketing hit for MS.

The whole outcome of this thing is pretty brilliant for them. A throwaway question in an AMA (everyone knew the answer already) has sparked an internet debate that readers on dozens of tech sites are bound to debate for a day or two (4 pages here in a day!) None of the current Bing users are actually going to be talked out of it, but they've struck up a conversation and now they're going to make some Google users curious to at least try the current version out.

Well played, Bill. That said, I still use Google.
 
Yes Bill: Bing is awesome, so is windows 8 surface pro...

Lets ask the Fox in the Hen House how tasty the chickens are!

Bing is still POS.
Surface Pro, to damn Expensive, seems only billionaires give a shit.
 
Yep, bing is more effective.

fwiw i think its been fixed. Sister works for MS on Bing doing marketing stuff and got her to get some notice along with the bad press.

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That suicide bullshit isn't a function of the search engine, thats someone making a manual override at the top of the search results. While that is a useful polish, its hardly indicative of the overall quality of the engine itself.
 
canna said:
Loading speeds aren't the issue.

Data caps.

Background images and all of the scripting to pop up stupid facts cost data transfer.

As far as I'm concerned, search box only or FO.
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so you're placing blame on microsoft because your isp is shitty? It's not any companies job to cater towards people that are wrongly getting fucked by their isp, it's the user's job to vote with his wallet or find some way to change the wrongful practice of data caps. As soon as companies start catering to data caps is the point when isps can justify them even more. "see you don't need unlimited data, these sites are now configured "stripped down pos shells of what they could be" for low data use." give them an inch they will take a mile, just like having every site be small and maximized for people with data caps will let the isp's justify their data caps even more.
 
Babbster said:
I'm not. Whatever you think of Google in terms of things like how they keep track of your searches and such, they tend not to bar anyone from their ecosystem unless they're truly malicious (spammers, phishers, etc.). You have only to look at Google Play (formerly Android Market) to see that they allow virtually anyone to compete with their own products - multiple map providers, e-mail clients, browsers, and on and on.
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Not even a month ago it was discovered that Google was purposefully blocking Windows Phone users from accessing their maps.
 
Tried Bing for a week. Went back to Google because of Google's date filtering (past 24 hours, past week, past month, past year, etc).
 
weebling1 said:
"by claiming that Bing is “now better than Google for porn.” "

Biiiiiiiiiing!
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This is true though I have just recently found out. Bing is MUCH better with porn than Google recently. Why Google cracked down on this I don't know but they have hurt themselves in this aspect.

Really, try searching Google and Bing for a porn actress. Google gives you shit links, MIGHT give you a porn site or two, and the pictures hardly ever have nudity anymore where as Bing will give you straight video clips at the top, a ton of sites with that actress, and the pictures are MUCH better and not filtered at all.

Google has lost all functionality when it comes to porn. Which, honestly, is disappointing to say the least.
 
Webhead said:
Tried Bing for a week. Went back to Google because of Google's date filtering (past 24 hours, past week, past month, past year, etc).
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Yup I use bing only when I refuse to pay for MS points.

Other than that google gets the job done & its ahead by a mile when you use the syntax like someone said earlier.
 
Bankie said:
Not even a month ago it was discovered that Google was purposefully blocking Windows Phone users from accessing their maps.
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Actually, they said they were blocking IE for Windows Phone from accessing Google Maps via the web because they hadn't optimized Google Maps for the Trident engine that the WP8 version of IE uses.

Now, I suppose one could believe that Google was lying but it would be a weird leap of logic to justify it. After all, Google wants people to use their products and locking users out of their services would be counterproductive, especially if that lock-out was focused on an OS that so far isn't seriously competing with IOS, let alone Android.

Personally, I chalk it up to a mostly-innocent mistake.
 
Babbster said:
Actually, they said they were blocking IE for Windows Phone from accessing Google Maps via the web because they hadn't optimized Google Maps for the Trident engine that the WP8 version of IE uses.

Now, I suppose one could believe that Google was lying but it would be a weird leap of logic to justify it. After all, Google wants people to use their products and locking users out of their services would be counterproductive, especially if that lock-out was focused on an OS that so far isn't seriously competing with IOS, let alone Android.

Personally, I chalk it up to a mostly-innocent mistake.
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For the most part they were just about everything worked using IE10 on WP8 if you changed the user agent string to chrome what they said was broken panning etc wasn't really.
 
Semantics said:
For the most part they were just about everything worked using IE10 on WP8 if you changed the user agent string to chrome what they said was broken panning etc wasn't really.
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The thing is, what would it get them to block access to Maps on WP8? Those users would simply use the service included with their phone and there are no plans so far to release Chrome (or other Google apps) on that OS because they don't feel there are enough users to justify the work yet.

I suspect a combination of apathy and purposeful ignorance leading to a mistake, which is why I use the term "mostly innocent." If there was a significant advantage to be gained blocking users from using that particular service I might not be so charitable, but there really wasn't.
 
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