Gamer Thwarts Gunman's Attempt To Steal CoD: MW 3

GoldenTiger

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He wasn't being heroic because he had a game in his hand, he was reacting to someone threatening to kill him.

Plenty of times people who comply still get shot or killed. Had they stopped them, they may not of been killed. I used to know a link to a video where these guys robbed a convenience store, got the money from the register then just shot the employee and the 3 people who were shopping that were now lying face down on the floor. Cannot find that video but here are other articles and videos:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=25a_1227876490 Shot while complying and faced down

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee0_1196278462 No resistance, complied, shot and killed

http://www.woai.com/news/local/stor...utside-restaurant/-Bv_wckAv06aUJdqo0mlKQ.cspx Handed over his wallet as instructed, shot

http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/79826597.html forced to the ground, then shot

there are others, but those are the first few I quickly dug up.

The odds are nowhere near as likely that they kill you anyway, as they kill you as you try to fight. You are more likely by far to live by handing over the goods then acting as needed. Probabilities ring a bell, son????
 

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Wow some of you guys think like children.

The question is not "why would you risk your life over X property".

The question is "if someone has decided to break the social contract and breach the public peace by threatening violence if I do not hand over my property, what assurance do I have that once the property is relinquished, that the assailant will deem the risk of identification and capture to be less than the risk of killing me on the spot?"

The answer is that you have no assurance of anything. The person in front of you has just demonstrated that they are capable of something most of us find unimaginable.

What kind of Romper Room fantasy do you live in that you can imagine someone doing this, but being very unlikely to kill you.

You have no right to criticise anyone that, with their life in the balance, takes action. It was his life to risk and his life to lose and it's refreshing to see people stand up and show some balls.

The only way it could have ended better is with the robber dead.
 

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The only way it could have ended better is with the robber dead.

QFT.

I hate these lazy punks. How dumb are you when you weigh the risk of getting caught committing armed robbery against a $60 video game and the video game wins?
 

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Most of the time that's exactly how armed robbery goes down. The stuff gets handed over, they leave. Virtually every time there is a death it's because the victim decided to pick a fight or refused to hand over whatever the robber wanted.....

Maybe years ago, not so much now.

The odds are nowhere near as likely that they kill you anyway, as they kill you as you try to fight. You are more likely by far to live by handing over the goods then acting as needed. Probabilities ring a bell, son????

No, you are far likely to live if you can keep calm and evaluate the situation and act accordingly. For instance, if I was being robbed by what I deemed a "pro", someone who was in control of himself and just wants the money (think of MaCauly's crew in HEAT, esp the bank-"We want to hurt no one, we want the bank's money, not yours") I would comply, EVEN if I was CCW. But if I felt I was going to be shot regardless, because either the guy is coldblooded or so hopped up he's likely to shoot me by mistake, I'll fight for me life.

Wow some of you guys think like children.

The question is not "why would you risk your life over X property".

The question is "if someone has decided to break the social contract and breach the public peace by threatening violence if I do not hand over my property, what assurance do I have that once the property is relinquished, that the assailant will deem the risk of identification and capture to be less than the risk of killing me on the spot?"

The answer is that you have no assurance of anything. The person in front of you has just demonstrated that they are capable of something most of us find unimaginable.

What kind of Romper Room fantasy do you live in that you can imagine someone doing this, but being very unlikely to kill you.

You have no right to criticise anyone that, with their life in the balance, takes action. It was his life to risk and his life to lose and it's refreshing to see people stand up and show some balls.

The only way it could have ended better is with the robber dead.

This is the mentality of flower children who care more for the criminal then their victims (the people you're describing, NOT you. You have got it right.)
 

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The odds are nowhere near as likely that they kill you anyway, as they kill you as you try to fight. You are more likely by far to live by handing over the goods then acting as needed. Probabilities ring a bell, son????

Exactly. If someones got a gun pointed at you, there are some solid odds you're about to die regardless of what you do. But the odds are a lot more in your favor if you hand over the stuff. Not everyone willing to commit robbery is willing to kill someone.

It's just not true that your best choice is fighting back. That is the response most likely to get you dead. Even if you're armed, the guy who's already got his gun leveled at you is probably going to take you out before you can even pull yours.

Yes, there are scenarios in which your odds of surviving a fight are slightly better, but they'll never be higher than simply handing the stuff over.

Why do you think stores fire employees who try to stop robbers? Because the odds of having a dead employee on their hands is a lot lower when they just give the stuff up.

It's just mathematical fact that if you give up the stuff, you're more likely to walk away from a robbery. Every law enforcement professional will tell you to just do what you're told if you're being robbed at gunpoint.
 

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Most of the time that's exactly how armed robbery goes down. The stuff gets handed over, they leave. Virtually every time there is a death it's because the victim decided to pick a fight or refused to hand over whatever the robber wanted.

Like I said, years ago, sure, most of the time. Not as much anymore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrxTQ3Uc_pU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfY5fVdnb_A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkl12Qy5cr4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rysWX_WW89

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbxjAyzLrMw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cD7qv_OwIw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuWnN6xXXUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLe52tB1pVU
 

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[threadjack]

Morales: I move to the grid adjacent to Freeman. Then I attack with my gun.
Flying Spaghetti Monster: Bro, that's not a good idea...
Morales: Whatever.
Freeman: Opportunity attack!
Morales: WTF?!

RANGED ATTACKS PROVOKE OPPORTUNITY ATTACKS IN MELEE

[/threadjack]
 

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This is why it's important to get your Concealed Handgun License (CHL) or Concealed Carry Weapon Permit (CCW permit) and spend time practicing at the range.

Keep one in the chamber so you don't have to slide the rack to defend yourself in a chaotic situation.

Don't forget, center mass, squeeze lightly.
 

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As much as I have to say awesome how it turned out, if someone shoves a gun at me asking for a game I just bought I think I'll just hand it over. Worst case I'm out what 50-150 bucks. He shoots I could be out my life.
 

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Like I said, years ago, sure, most of the time. Not as much anymore:

Yes, you can post all the YouTube links you'd like, but those are exceptions to the rule. I'm going to go with what law enforcement professionals say about it. You comply with their demands, and don't do anything to escalate the situation.
 

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This is why it's important to get your Concealed Handgun License (CHL) or Concealed Carry Weapon Permit (CCW permit) and spend time practicing at the range.

Keep one in the chamber so you don't have to slide the rack to defend yourself in a chaotic situation.

Don't forget, center mass, squeeze lightly.

Yes, because once someone has the drop on you already, you just pull out your weapon easily. :rolleyes:
 

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the guy ovbiously has poor judgement. after all, he did say call MW3 "a wonderful game."
 

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Yes, because once someone has the drop on you already, you just pull out your weapon easily. :rolleyes:

If you'd rather go down meekly, that's your own personal decision to make. If you have such little value for your life, you're completely free to not carry a firearm, and if you find yourself in this kind of situation, I hope it works out for you.
 

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If you'd rather go down meekly, that's your own personal decision to make. If you have such little value for your life, you're completely free to not carry a firearm, and if you find yourself in this kind of situation, I hope it works out for you.

Have fun going out in a blazing glory of retardation going for a gun while someone already has one drawn on you. Seriously, stop watching action movies and grow up. I'm not suggesting that a concealed firearm isn't a useful thing in some situations, but in one where you are already drawn down on it wouldn't do a damn thing.
 

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As much as I have to say awesome how it turned out, if someone shoves a gun at me asking for a game I just bought I think I'll just hand it over. Worst case I'm out what 50-150 bucks. He shoots I could be out my life.

This is the fantasy.

That your compliance affects your chances of surviving.
 

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Yes, because once someone has the drop on you already, you just pull out your weapon easily. :rolleyes:

Even if you're quick it'll take you 4 or 5 times as long to pull it as it would take your assailant to squeeze a round off into you. You have to choose your moment carefully, and either way there's a good chance you're just going to be a well-armed corpse.

I've had my WA state CCW for nearly 8 years now. I've never drawn it anywhere other than the range. A concealed weapon isn't a magical cure-all to being a victim of crime. In fact, someone else with a gun getting the drop on you is probably the situation in which being armed is the least useful. They already have a huge advantage on you.
 

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Have fun going out in a blazing glory of retardation going for a gun while someone already has one drawn on you. Seriously, stop watching action movies and grow up. I'm not suggesting that a concealed firearm isn't a useful thing in some situations, but in one where you are already drawn down on it wouldn't do a damn thing.

As I said, if you want to go down meekly, that's your decision. We all know from the SoapBox exactly how you feel about firearms, it's a tired old story that adds nothing of value to this discussion.
 

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Have fun going out in a blazing glory of retardation going for a gun while someone already has one drawn on you. Seriously, stop watching action movies and grow up. I'm not suggesting that a concealed firearm isn't a useful thing in some situations, but in one where you are already drawn down on it wouldn't do a damn thing.

The only shame is that once these e-Baddass Wannabe Cowboys get killed, they won't be around for us to say "I told you so."
 

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As I said, if you want to go down meekly, that's your decision. We all know from the SoapBox exactly how you feel about firearms, it's a tired old story that adds nothing of value to this discussion.

Considering how I don't have a GenMay account, I find it hard to believe you know my feelings about firearms from the Soapbox...
 

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The only shame is that once these e-Baddass Wannabe Cowboys get killed, they won't be around for us to say "I told you so."

Somehow, we all gotta go, and if you'd rather go down defenseless and unable to defend yourself, that's your personal decision, don't let those who choose to arm themselves for self-defense get in your way of your funeral.
 

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Somehow, we all gotta go, and if you'd rather go down defenseless and unable to defend yourself, that's your personal decision, don't let those who choose to arm themselves for self-defense get in your way of your funeral.

Personally I'm a big fan of living, and I'm sure my loved ones would prefer I live too. That's one of the reasons I've carried for 8 years. But there are times when whipping a gun out is not the answer.

If you carry a weapon as you say, then you should know how slim the odds are of being able to defend yourself in a situation where an armed assailant has the jump on you.
 

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Personally I'm a big fan of living, and I'm sure my loved ones would prefer I live too. That's one of the reasons I've carried for 8 years. But there are times when whipping a gun out is not the answer.

If you carry a weapon as you say, then you should know how slim the odds are of being able to defend yourself in a situation where an armed assailant has the jump on you.


Don't defend yourself = Give game over, other guy shoots you dead anyway. Or he decides to let you live.

Defend yourself = may die anyway, but at least you gave it a shot (pun intended).
 

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Don't defend yourself = Give game over, other guy shoots you dead anyway. Or he decides to let you live.

Defend yourself = may die anyway, but at least you gave it a shot (pun intended).

How many attackers have you shot? :p
 

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I'd like to think I would have done the same thing.....but I have never been put in that situation so I have no clue how I'd react or what I'd do.......Probably give him the game then piss my little girl panties.
 
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This summer I had a seasonal job as a conservation officer, and during the training there was a small module on what to do if someone pulls a gun on you. The instructors said that whoever acts first has a small timing advantage due to the time it takes the other person to react. If the assailant is within a few steps of you, get off the line of attack (sidestep) and attack inside, so that the guy's arm and weapon are to the outside. Do something distracting like knee him in the groin or headbutt him in the face and then grab the weapon and twist it AWAY from you so that it jams his wrist and he has to let it go. Then throw the gun away, don't shoot him with it because it might be clogged and blow up in your face. We also practiced with longer weapons like a shotgun, but honestly I forget if it was the same process or not, it has been a while and the job is done for the season anyway.

Everything I described above is dependant on the guy being really close to you. If he isn't a big movie cliche and actually leaves reaction distance between you and him, you are in one tough spot. Maybe try holding out the object he is trying to steal in your hand so he has to come in and grab it, then make your move. If he stays put and says to throw it then you know he isn't an idiot and should probably do what he wants.

Again, not an expert but it seemed to work pretty well in the training.
 
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It just occured to me to write that the above statement is just for conversation purposes and anyone who tries it does so entirely at their own risk and I am not liable for anything.
 

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Exactly. If someones got a gun pointed at you, there are some solid odds you're about to die regardless of what you do. But the odds are a lot more in your favor if you hand over the stuff. Not everyone willing to commit robbery is willing to kill someone.

It's just not true that your best choice is fighting back. That is the response most likely to get you dead. Even if you're armed, the guy who's already got his gun leveled at you is probably going to take you out before you can even pull yours.

Yes, there are scenarios in which your odds of surviving a fight are slightly better, but they'll never be higher than simply handing the stuff over.

Why do you think stores fire employees who try to stop robbers? Because the odds of having a dead employee on their hands is a lot lower when they just give the stuff up.

It's just mathematical fact that if you give up the stuff, you're more likely to walk away from a robbery. Every law enforcement professional will tell you to just do what you're told if you're being robbed at gunpoint.

WTF are you talking about? Odds? What Odds? Can you point me to those? Are they updated regularly? You want to play chance and hope that the person who just pulled a gun on you will be merciful enough to let you live so you can identify them later to police? Go ahead, I'd rather not play a game where the other guy has 100% control over the "odds" that I'll live to see another day.

There are wolves, sheep, and sheepdogs. About the only thing that pisses off a sheepdog as much as watching the wolves get one of the sheep, is listening to the sheep bitch about how the sheepdogs deal with the wolves.
 

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Im surprised by all the "armchair generals" in this thread.

Speaking from the perspective of someone who has ACTUALLY been robbed at gunpoint.

You comply with the Robber, ESPECIALLY if they already have the drop on you.

Yes, you could be shot for complying. Yes, you could be shot while fighting for control of the weapon.

This is why you should always be aware of your surroundings, look around your car before getting in, and dont linger by yourself in a parking lot.

Also, get a carry permit and make better gaming purchases...
 

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No, you are far likely to live if you can keep calm and evaluate the situation and act accordingly. For instance, if I was being robbed by what I deemed a "pro", someone who was in control of himself and just wants the money (think of MaCauly's crew in HEAT, esp the bank-"We want to hurt no one, we want the bank's money, not yours") I would comply, EVEN if I was CCW. But if I felt I was going to be shot regardless, because either the guy is coldblooded or so hopped up he's likely to shoot me by mistake, I'll fight for me life.

That's basically what I was saying... act as needed ;). :) Of course if you have the chance to end it, you want to do so. However, if the odds are that you're better off doing X, then do X, don't gamble on Y out of rage.
 

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Considering how I don't have a GenMay account, I find it hard to believe you know my feelings about firearms from the Soapbox...

Don't worry, Fail won't bother to respond further, he'll just pretend you didn't butcher his argument and act like he was correct, despite obviously not being so.
 

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Wonder what perks he used? He probably was one of those kenyan runners with the super speed knifing everyone in sight on MW2. He just applied the skills he learned to the real world.

But on a serious note that was pretty stupid to do even though it worked out good in the end.
I mean whats more valuable. Your life vs a game?
 

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If a robber wants to kill you as well, they would have shot you first before you even realize there's a gun man behind you. I'veseen bank robbery cases where the moment they walk in, they shot the security guard first thing. These robbers are murderers as well, people who are capable of killing others, so they aren't going to let you have a chance of fighting back before taking your life. They don't shoot anyone after taking the loot. They just kill the person they think is necessary to subdue the situation, and they have do it immediately.

Most small time robbers like this don't intend to kill, which is why they confront you and ask you to hand it over. If everything goes as planned, chances are they will quickly leave instead of making the situation worse. If a robber feels the need to shoot you, they would have done so first to subdue you.
 

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I personally, wouldve given him my game, then shot him in the back of his head as he turned to the car. But I would do something different as well if the situation demands it. If you have the ability to make some decisions before your instincts kick in, then your chance of survival goes up.

But people think the world is filled with nice criminals. A piece of shit that comes up to you to steal a game is just that... a piece of shit. It all depends on your area. In Philly, it is more likely he'll kill you after getting the game and laugh at your bleeding corpse as he peels away.

Fight or flight is what it all comes down to. Personally, I would not have let him get away with my shit, regardless if its a video game or a piece of gum. Once he puts my life in danger, he's as good as a dead man, fuck what the reason was. But then again I may or may not have a LTC. =)
 

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Also, where is the source of all this information about the insight of a criminal's mind that everyone seems to be able to pull out of their arse? You guys are all FBI profilers?
 
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