Fudzilla: AMD Navi Is No High-End GPU

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  1. Megalith

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    According to Fudzilla, AMD's upcoming 7nm Navi GPU will not be a gaming part and only provide performance equivalent to a GeForce GTX 1080. A high-end successor is not expected until 2020, at earliest.

    Navi 7nm won’t have two different SKUs, one that miraculously goes after the Geforce Turing edition planned for later this year. So, the long story short, AMD won’t have anything in the high-end space faster than Vega between now and end of 2019. In GPU world, this is eternity.
     
  2. Uvaman2

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    Well, its about price.
     
  3. Pieter3dnow

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    It can be about price. What would scare me the most is when some of the characteristics from Vega are still the same. What good is Navi if it still requires HBM2 or requires 300+ watt.
     
  4. Uvaman2

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    About HBM2 hopefully they'll manage a non ripoff deal... Production should have scaled a bit by now, yeah it doesn't seem it has or it will, just fantasy for now I guess.
     
  5. Pieter3dnow

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    But it also means that AMD are prone to shortages and higher costs they can do without that.
     
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    People forgetting navi isnt like a "normal" gpu with only a single core... unless amd screwed up i guess.
     
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    "Not a gaming part" isn't doing AMD any favors when it comes to GPP locking AIBs and OEMs "gaming" brands. Kind of plays into nvidia's hand.
     
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  8. ChadD

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    Well if it is = performance to the fastest card NV sells right now (I'm sorry the very small handful of volta cards they produce for the super computer market... and the one token Quatro that has no stock anywhere don't count) but sells for half the price how would that not be a gaming card ?

    At some point like it or not people are going to have to accept that GPU tech will plateau a bit. There was a time where we could expect each generation to level the last one in performance. However I think unless someone comes up with something insanely novel at this point at best we are going to see high single digit bumps each generation from here out. The days of each generation giving us 30-40% jumps in performance are over.... that was never sustainable forever.
     
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    Performance equivalent to a GTX 1080. Is that a typo? Since when is performance equivalent to a GTX 1080 not a gaming part? I still game on a 770 (yeah I'm a dinosaur, I'm like Kyle but with no money). The Navi sure looking pretty gaming to me.
     
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    when next gen release, 1080 perf would be mid range with nvidia offering a Ti/titan 50% to 60% faster.
    it's weird though if navi is mgpu, shouldn't be alot faster ?
     
  11. velusip

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    High brow gamers around these parts, apparently. ;)

    This is more of the same strategy AMD; let others break the ice and sail smoothly right behind. It's very possible that AMD doesn't have the capital to take the lead for any length of time. Taking a loss in a flagship card and hoping a long, stable production run makes up for it might simply be too risky.
     
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    I think the same thing, but with one possible exception, gaming at 4K seems to be too much even for a 1080ti, so one more gen is needed that brings 4k gaming at 60 to 120 fps, then coast.

    Then again, looking at the ps4 pro and xbox one x, they are already very close to 4k@60 FPs with "little hardware" thanks to their super light weight OS's.

    Gaming PC needs a similar OS, (which I honestly thought was going to happen with Steam OS) to be able to get better performance from the current and upcoming GPUs.

    Lastly, as you say, AMD needs money and selling GPU to professional market is more profitable than us gamers.
     
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    This theory doesn't make much sense.
     
  14. Aireoth

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    Are not the current AMD top end gpus in line with the 1080?
     
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    maybe it's a mid tier card with a mid tier price?

    1080 performance for 250 sounds great compared to now.
     
  16. IdiotInCharge

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    But then we return to reality where supply and demand have prevented AMD from selling their cards at MSRP for more than a week, and Nvidia not much more than that lately.

    In theory we should have 1080 performance for around 250 already, if normal price depreciation had occurred as it has in the pre-mining past. I don't see how Navi is going to change that.

    Worse, I don't see how Navi not being competitive is going to do anything other then secure AMD's place at the bottom; 1080/Vega 64 performance just isn't enough to be competitive with the higher resolutions and refresh rates available let alone what VR demands.
     
  17. griff30

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  18. M76

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    Call me old fashioned but I think the GTX1080 is a hi-end card. In fact anything over $500 is pretty high end for a GPU.

    And if it's not a gaming part, then WTF is it?
     
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    i used a 780 and a 1500x @ 3.9 for vr and it was fine.

    couldn't tell the difference between it and a 1700x @4ghz and sli 1080's
     
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    To say AMD has sold a ton of the Radeon Pro SSG would be a big under statement. There is a reason most places that sell them limit them to one per customer.

    People around these parts and other tech sites get all jazzed about gaming bench marks. In the pro world though... the AMD vega chips actually perform very very well vs the NV competition. Most pro software packages use OpenCL and OpenGL both of which NV has dragged their feet supporting. And even if they can pull out bench marks that show the quatros are 5% faster... for 5k you can get the RP SSG with the 2TB of "Solid State Graphics" Memory. NV has nothing even close for 8k video editing... and for 3D FX work using large data sets. I have worked for a few small studios that have had to edit 8k video as productions are starting to use 8k and then down sample to 4k/1080 ect. The SSG cards are the only cards that really let them do that smoothly right now.
     
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    I am neither referring to your perception abilities nor to current implementations of VR.
     
  22. cyclone3d

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    I'm still on a R9 390. Plays pretty much everything at 1200p with detail maxxed out.

    I'll go for an AMD card with 1080 performance level. That would suite me just fine for probably a couple years at least.
     
  23. IdiotInCharge

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    Now there's a trend!

    AMD releases something slow and we get a string of posts about how people don't need anything faster :ROFLMAO:
     
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    It's sounds like they are conflating the idea that Navi will only have a single die manufactured with that it will only have a single SKU. If Navi is scalable as AMD said it was, placing two or more of those on Infinity Fabric would create a single higher end graphics card at a much lower cost.

    Even if that wasn't the case, the idea they won't have more than one SKU is ridiculous since they always sell lower end versions of it with disabled units.
     
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  25. Master_shake_

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    we are at the VIVE 2 already and it's a slightly bigger screen.

    and the time between revisions was 2 years.

    so in 2 years when the vive 3 comes out we'll have the same talk again.
     
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  26. Krenum

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    "AMD's upcoming 7nm Navi GPU will not be a gaming part and only provide performance equivalent to a GeForce GTX 1080"

    Huh? I'll gladly take 1080 performance to game with. How is that not a gaming part? I think Fudzilla, is fud.
     
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    ...because increased resolution- which isn't negligible, like AMD's performance gains!- is the only thing that's going to change assuming the slow pace of VR hardware doesn't also advance.

    I notice you also ignored the other points :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
     
  28. Krenum

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    The only trend I see is you constantly bashing AMD all over this forum.
     
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  29. Azphira

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    I want a card that has 1080 sli performance on one gpu, whoever makes it first gets the money.
     
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    Given their performance (or lack thereof) I can see how stating the obvious might be perceived as bashing by the faithful.

    No, I won't go out of my way to make best-case arguments for your preferred vendor just because the truth isn't something you like to recognize.
     
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  31. Krenum

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    And what "truth" would that be? The truth that I'm perfectly happy with the components I can afford? Or your truth that I should buy more costly components because they're better suited for what you envision?

    Seems we both have a version of the truth you speak of. Tell you what, you live & be happy in yours, and Ill be happy in mine.
     
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  32. griff30

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    If it's "only" 1080 performance and 7nM, I would think it's a 75 watt part for professionals. IE: It has massive, massive 64bit FPU.

    The 64bit performance of AMD has been killing it in th scientific community, seeing as Nvidia Titan is flunking math class.
     
  33. IdiotInCharge

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    • Trolling
    You attack me and then use yourself as a benchmark for the market?

    Let me be clear: I don't give a shit about you.

    I care about better performance, which AMD appears to be unwilling to give.
     
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  34. cdabc123

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    So another polaris like card? And it won't matter what the card really does if mining stays long enough for these to see the light of day. (And it very well may stay that long, sorry gamers) honestly I would guess around the time thease come out Nvidia will be releasing another high end card with small preformance benefits and Intel will have the trophy for strongest gpu (it will be aimed at data centers and cost a stupid amount) if that plays out it would be a pretty decent move to target the mid range market at the time if they can keep them cheap enough (hbm is concerning)
     
  35. Jahx

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    GTX 1080 performance for 250? Sign me up. I have the money now and I'll buy today. My 970 is aging, and I need an upgrade, but currently I'm at 550 for a 1080, or 800 for a 1080ti. AMD could make a killing if they released a part with parity to a 1080 for 250. Hell, I'd buy two.
     
  36. Krenum

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    Ditto buddy.
     
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  37. Azphira

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    All this anger over two companies that don't care about any of us personally.
     
  38. Smashing Young Man

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    I feel like we're slogging through mud these days, when before I could barely afford to keep up.
     
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  39. Krenum

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    Agreed, some of us around here need to get laid apparently.
     
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    I don't think it's a willing issue. I don't believe they are capable. Amd has no issues scaling the cores or even adding multiple gpus to try to win the high end market see all high end amd cards. If they truly are not aiming for the high end market that says they either don't believe that's where the money is or don't believe they can make a competitive carf
     
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