- Aug 30, 2005
Does it come with baby wipes?
I think a big reason why a lot of westerners (especially Americans) can't stomach the food in Asia (especially street food) is because they're so used to super processed foods with tons of sodium and preservatives. If you were born in Asia and grew up eating things that are cooked the way they are over there, your stomach has grown accustomed to it and has developed specific types of bacteria to be able to properly digest it.Fast food is pretty reliable. That stuff has been nuked and processed so many times, there's really no possibility of getting a major gastro-intestinal illness like what was detailed in Fast Food Nation a while back. Chipotle actually got people sick recently because of the "freshness" aspect of what they were pushing. And let's not pretend that Asia is the capital of food cleanliness. I definitely wouldn't want to eat my pork anything short of fully-cooked over there.
All. The. Damn. Time. I read somwhere that most people have a case of e.coli infection ~4 times a yar and just never realize it. The vast majority of folks are not at risk, and so have diarrhea for a few hours and its over.
The majority of my work these days is in food safety and FDA compliance for major food manufacturers. You'd be surprised how easy it is to have a MAJOR issue. All it takes in one lazy employee, one mistake. In that respect, the Chipotle issue doesn't phase me. It's par for the course for a company dealing in that amount of fresh ingredients (unlike McDonalds and the like).
Now, the BlueBell issue was a whole different case. That was a systemic effort to ignore standards, ignore the FDA and ignore warning signs.
I think a big reason why a lot of westerners (especially Americans) can't stomach the food in Asia (especially street food) is because they're so used to super processed foods with tons of sodium and preservatives. If you were born in Asia and grew up eating things that are cooked the way they are over there, your stomach has grown accustomed to it and has developed specific types of bacteria to be able to properly digest it.
Street food in most parts of Asia and South America are made in conditions that would be an absolute and blatant violation of health standards here in the U.S., but everyone there grows up eating it and their bodies have become used to it. The reverse can happen to, processed food with too many preservatives and chemicals and whatnot can cause people from less-developed countries to have upset stomach because they're used to eating fresh food that was most likely grown/raised by them or one of their neighbors.
I agree with you completely on this. You take more of a risk, not less, when dealing with fresh ingredients. Period.
The CDC information about this outbreak is interesting. http://www.cdc.gov/ecoli/2015/O26-11-15/index.html
I am not pretending Asia is clean but food "processing" consists of a rusty machete and a cast iron pot with untreated water heated by wood. I was horrified at first especially in the cities but you learn to let it go. None of the bathrooms have soap or treated water and most of the people still clean their ass with a hand and a bucket of water.
I design wastewater treatment plants and have seen workers pick money off the headworks screens and eat their lunch next to sludge dewatering or grit rooms. Either the weak die off or the body adapts.
Edit: What SLiGuy said is accurate. My wife came here, ate pizza for the first time in her life and blew mud for three days.
Most definitely, if you live in a "western" country and are traveling to certain parts of the world you should get any vaccines that you need. I am Vietnamese myself and we eat some pretty weird stuff, although to us its quite normal. Asians, generally speaking, are not shy of eating parts of the animal that most Americans would be terrified of. And I'm not even talking about brain or testicles or anything (I don't eat that stuff myself), just things like liver, gizzards, etc. that are considered weird to Americans.This is the also the reason that you should get a Hep A vaccine before you go... let's not pretend they don't ever get sick and contract diseases, they just don't give a shit about literally eating shit.
That said, I loved the street food I ate when traveling through Thailand/Vietnam/etc. and never had mud butt while I was there I'm also quite happy to eat my free Chipotle burrito tonight.
Freebirds isn't even that great. It seems overrated, but then again people only seem to say it's amazing when they go there drunk.
Haha good point.
I got my free burrito and will check tomorrow if the extras such as guac are included with coupon.
Also, that youtube video posted above was pretty cool.
Sorry, but that's not how it works.Started hearing that Chipotle may have been a victim of corporate sabotage by Monsanto or another megafirm with vested interest in creating public fear of "organic" alternative sourcing of food products. Chipotle was a huge success and a rising star. For them to all of a sudden have this mystery outbreak in diverse parts of the country and that was not able to be traced to any of their ingredients does seem suspect. The norovirus in one store? Yeah, sure, sick employee that should have stayed home. Happens in all sorts of establishments. But the e.coli stuff that was occurring in geographically disperse clusters that don't represent the local/regional sourced products Chipotle uses, and it's a strain that reportedly doesn't even come from food products? Yeah I can respect that some people are thinking this might have been an act of sabotage.
Sorry, but that's not how it works.
Put it this way, let's assume that pork was the source. Pork isnt raised in that many places, so I guarantee that Chipotle has a finite number of sources and processing facilities. Same with their seasonings. ( Chipotle even references a single central kitches on their website)Or their avocados (and guac). It wouldn't be very hard AT ALL for there to be a single source that spreads all over and only is an issue where, say, the pork is undercooked or the guac isn't rotated out fast enough etc. It could be that contaminated product hit the majority of stores, but because a small few made a simple mistake, someone was exposed.
And no, the E.Coli strain found in the infected people (E.Coli 026) is a normal food pathogen. This was the same strain as in the Jimmy Johns sprouts a few years ago.
There's no tinfoil hat needed, no corporate espionage from a company that doesn't need to wrry about CHipotle. Chipotle was a $3.1b company in 2013. Monsanto was a $16b company in 2014. THey don't compete, and I GUARANTEE that Monsanto products go into or feed the animals that go into Chipotle products.
Pretty safe bet that any time you hear about a conspiracy involving Monsanto, it's entirely made up by some organic tin foil hat wearing whackadoo.
Probably, but there's a reason why they are the ones who keep getting brought up... because they do some pretty outlandish shit.
Do they, though?
I mean really? The biggest thing they've gotten flak for recently is farmers caught reselling their seeds when the purchase agreement the farmers signed forbade it.
Too bad I have an e.coli allergy.
I don't think they even traced the source of it?
People don't like them because of GMO and their Seed rights.
You aren't allowed to cultivate seeds from plants grown using their seeds and they produce seeds for specific parts of the world (mainly corn). Monsanto isn't really a fucked up company, just ones with strict rights to their product.
Right, like I said, the organic tin foil hat wearing whackadoos.
There are legitimate though not necessarily coherent concerns when companies push products whose long-term effects are not yet known with government collusion. Better safe than sorry - one must assume that these companies are more interested in their bottom line than in the public health, instances in which these interests coincide temporarily notwithstanding.
Not that I've ever read. The probelm is that the vast, overwhelming number of people saying these things are uneducated. They are the ones who claim that you shouldn't eat anything you can't pronounce, and nonsense like that. These are the people who had Dunkin Doughnuts remove titanium dioxide from their products. http://phys.org/news/2015-03-dunkin-donuts-ditches-titanium-dioxide.htmlThere are legitimate though not necessarily coherent concerns when companies push products whose long-term effects are not yet known with government collusion. Better safe than sorry - one must assume that these companies are more interested in their bottom line than in the public health, instances in which these interests coincide temporarily notwithstanding.
Read her page about hamburger buns and her insistence that diglycerides (VERY simple fats and oils) are poison.Most of these very vocal people (ie. Food Babe) know very little about what they're talking about, though.