GoldenTiger
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lol, wasn't it already clear that we know fermi is pretty fast?
When some are saying "it barely matches a 5870", then no, it isn't.
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lol, wasn't it already clear that we know fermi is pretty fast?
It sure seems to since people keep calling me an nVidia "fanboi" just as they called me an ATI "fanboi" at the time of the 5870's launch. So, it's hardly imaginary.
I too am speculating with the available info, and it is clearly not as dire as people are making it out to be.
On-topic, NEW CHART:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4309768&postcount=238
How is trying to correct FUD about the card's performance "a joke"? FanATIcs did the same about the 5870 vs. GTX 280... heck, I joined them at the time even though I am not biased toward either side. I personally hate FUD no matter where it is . I'm simply a "fan" of the best-performing single-GPU product.
I notice that you guys aren't able to refute on performance, so you start slinging "fanboy" or similar insults around... that speaks volumes more than anything else you could ever say.
GoldenTiger, you can believe whatever you want, but 70% of [H]ardForum is unimpressed. Also, you seem to be one of a very few, select elitists that had problems with an ATI 5800-series card.
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Quit crying and deal with it.
I think its more along the lines of, wow the GTX480 card is indeed faster than the 5870. However, does the minor speed increase REALLY justify showing up to the party 6 months late? Everyone already got drunk off of all the 5800 series punch, and they're feeling good.
If the 480 was released 3-4 months ago, I sincerely doubt people would still be hating on the card.
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Guys, he's already made up his mind and is just trolling, quit feeding the troll.
Guys, he's already made up his mind and is just trolling, quit feeding the troll.
I was never asking for opinions, I was stating facts and looking for discussion about my new card purchase... instead I get threads filled with comments like yours , and little actual discussion. I'm not "trolling" because my opinion doesn't match yours. Comments like the one quoted though sure sound like you're trying to rile people up though, I'll say.
When some are saying "it barely matches a 5870", then no, it isn't.
You're asking for discussion without opinions, wow do you like your oceans with no water? cool story bro.
There are a lot of reviews, some claiming victory for Fermi (techpowerup, Guru3D), some claim it as a Flop (Bit-tech) having encountered less performance increase in their testing.
I would be interested in it for the really good drivers and developer support frankly, but the heat/power issue just kills it for me. This is ridiculous to have a card go up to 95C under load. I am living in Singapore with hot, tropical climate and my study room does not have a separate air-con, so the temps can go above 30C, I am wondering what will be the card temps at this higher ambient.
Given the ambitious architecture though it seems prudent to wait for a process shrink so that the thermals/power go to reasonable levels. It would be interesting to see if there are claims of cards overheating once people actually can buy it.
It sure seems to since people keep calling me an nVidia "fanboi" just as they called me an ATI "fanboi" at the time of the 5870's launch. So, it's hardly imaginary.
I too am speculating with the available info, and it is clearly not as dire as people are making it out to be.
On-topic, NEW CHART:http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showpost.php?p=4309768&postcount=238
Thanks for posting the chart. I just wished the 470 had more performance compared to the 5850. 350 vs 310 so it's like 40 dollars more expensive for 10% increase in fps with AA enabled. Not to mention more heat and noise for a card that isn't even the highest in it's class.
The card to get for me is the 480 and it is not only faster in AVG but the most impressive part if the Minimum FPS performance which just kicks major ass. Also when a lot of tessellation is used the lead grows bigger as well...I am for sure getting one and hoping for dual as the SLI performance is stunning.
that's the kind of statements that OP expects. If you dare to state something different, he's gonna jump down your throat Now everyone repeat after shaolin95....
Any decent brand on newegg or other reputable vendors is $400+10 ship or so right now with most at $420. Just showing that people saying "It barely matches! It's overpriced!" are being hyperbolic at best, since there's always a delta for the BEST card in performance/price: and in this case, it's hardly any, the only real price being the power draw.
And the noise/heat. Plus with 15% BCB I got a XFX 5870 for not much over $330!
People keep quoting the 15% avg performance but forget that the MIN fps is a lot better most of the time and so is tessellation performance.Disclaimer on my opinion: I plan on SLI'ing 480's.
I think that the 10-15% jump in performance over the 5870 is barely worth it for the extra 100-150. I know people who got 5870's at launch for 380, and I patiently waited for Fermi. I am betting on nVidia's bet for the future of gaming, and their drivers team. I'm not the type of person to go for bang-for-buck or else I would get a 5970 or CF5850's. (In fact the 5870 is the LEAST bang-for-buck in the 58XX line).
We're all enthusiasts and gamers here, and I think Goldentiger has a right to defend Fermi. If you call him out for responding to you, why would you post in this thread.
There's a fine line between defending one's point of view and ramming yours down everyone else's throat, and GT crossed that line on more than one occasion by accusing others of being fanboys and whatever else while his own behavior was exemplary of his own accusations, and yet, he fails to recognize that. That's why I personally just put him on ignore list.We're all enthusiasts and gamers here, and I think Goldentiger has a right to defend Fermi.
There's a fine line between defending one's point of view and ramming yours down everyone else's throat, and GT crossed that line on more than one occasion by accusing others of being fanboys and whatever else while his own behavior was exemplary of his own accusations, and yet, he fails to recognize that. That's why I personally just put him on ignore list.
rofl, or maybe someone is much of a fanboy to see all the signs of an imminent failure of the Fermi. But whatever, we'll see soon enough how it's gonna pan out. Me, I'm not holding my breath but anything's possible.
People keep quoting the 15% avg performance but forget that the MIN fps is a lot better most of the time and so is tessellation performance.
You need to work on your math skills, Tiger. Your fps comparison uses the 5870 as the baseline, so the GTX 480 averages 114.48% as many fps as the 5870. To keep the money comparison equal you need to divide the MSRP of the GTX480 by the MSRP of the 5870. Based on other comments, the actual MSRP is $380. $500/$380 = 131.58%. Or if you want to stick with the $400 MSRP for the 5870, $500/$400 = 125%. So, for a 14% gain you pay a 25-32% premium, not including the additional energy costs.
If I had the money at the moment I'd probably buy a GTX480. Not because of gaming, but because of all the other potential uses. I like to do various GPU compute projects as well as test objects that require particle physics. Honestly half the problem the the GTX480 is the fact that it is an entirely new architecture, it's not based on anything that they've ever produced before. It's not even based on a past modular architecture...*cough* *cough* 4870 --> 5870. So if people wanted 150% the performance of a 5870 they most certainly were dreaming, it doesn't work that way...Ever, and/or if it does it's pure luck. That being said the 5870 is not a bad card but I don't feel like paying for extra features I'll never use aka Eyefinity, which is explicitly designed for people who have tons of cash to dump and don't even have to worry about the cost of the GPU since the monitors cost more. Therein for people like me the 480 is a better use of money. Anyways, people are allowed to think what they want and therefore everybody is right and everybody is wrong. No sense in trying to say an opinion is wrong since it is right from the person who stated it.
Yep, people also forget that it exceeds 15% average in the really demanding games, as well. Average, for those who forget, means some lower, some higher...
People keep quoting the 15% avg performance but forget that the MIN fps is a lot better most of the time and so is tessellation performance.
If I had the money at the moment I'd probably buy a GTX480. Not because of gaming, but because of all the other potential uses. I like to do various GPU compute projects as well as test objects that require particle physics. Honestly half the problem the the GTX480 is the fact that it is an entirely new architecture, it's not based on anything that they've ever produced before. It's not even based on a past modular architecture...*cough* *cough* 4870 --> 5870. So if people wanted 150% the performance of a 5870 they most certainly were dreaming, it doesn't work that way...Ever, and/or if it does it's pure luck. That being said the 5870 is not a bad card but I don't feel like paying for extra features I'll never use aka Eyefinity, which is explicitly designed for people who have tons of cash to dump and don't even have to worry about the cost of the GPU since the monitors cost more. Therein for people like me the 480 is a better use of money. Anyways, people are allowed to think what they want and therefore everybody is right and everybody is wrong. No sense in trying to say an opinion is wrong since it is right from the person who stated it.
I'm just pointing out the facts, and warding the fanATIcs away .
http://www.rage3d.com/board/showpost.php?p=1331382513&postcount=66
going on 8 years now and I don't think you're missed
Golden Tiger, didn't you pre-purchase a 480 before there was even a single legit review out? You bought one no matter the performance, you are the fanboy here. Rage3D needs their troll back?
No, actually, you guys are jumping down *my* throat every time I say something positive about Fermi... unless someone's saying it sucks, you jump on it and call it a troll/uninformed/etc. .
Good post. (thumbsup)
How is that a good post? GTX280/GTX260 was nothing but a rehash of the 8000 series (and I won't talk about the other rehashing and bullshit names NV has been using). 4000 series was a new architecture. Whatever makes up the 6000 series will be new technology. Whatever makes up GTX500 series will be rehashed Fermi.
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