Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

[Ieldra]

A lot of the shit they added seems like AMDs version of Nvidia adding a bunch of overly intensive settings to make their GPU more appealing. The Division had the same shit, disable 1 or 2 things and suddenly your FPS doubles. The game looks nice but definitely not worth running some of those settings. The shadows in particular, there's this one setting I can't remember that blurs shadows a makes them more realistic? I turned that shit off and now I have sharper shadows which I prefer and a 30% performance boost.

The benchmark running at medium preset with no MSAA doesn't average 60fps with a 980ti or 1070 at 1440p.

Is the benchmark not a good indicator of game performance? Bad benchmark.

Is the game really struggling with 60fps at medium settings? Bad game.

I've downloaded some higher quality videos to see how it looks (YT compression ruins it) and I'm a little more impressed, but I'd still rather trade performance for IQ.

I was fine with original Crysis being taxing, but that blew every other game out the water at the time.

All I can say is based on the benchmark numbers this game does not run well, not even at the lower presets.

 

[Armenius]

A lot of the shit they added seems like AMDs version of Nvidia adding a bunch of overly intensive eyecandy to make their GPU more appealing. The Division had the same shit, disable 1 or 2 things and suddenly your FPS doubles. The game looks nice but definitely not worth running some of those settings. The shadows in particular, there's this one setting I can't remember that blurs shadows and makes them more realistic? I turned that shit off and now I have sharper shadows which I prefer and a 30% performance boost.

Contact Hardening Shadows, or CHS for short. Granted, NVIDIA's PCSS (Percentage Closer Soft Shadows) doesn't do any better performance wise on their own hardware, and I personally like the look of CHS more than PCSS. I think CHS is worth the performance hit, myself.

 

[Ieldra]

Contact Hardening Shadows, or CHS for short. Granted, NVIDIA's PCSS (Percentage Closer Soft Shadows) doesn't do any better performance wise on their own hardware, and I personally like the look of CHS more than PCSS.

I can't say I've known CHS to bring more of a % performance hit on NV hardware compared to AMD. It's a taxing setting probably implemented using AMD libraries but that's not the reason the game runs badly.peetty sure it's disabled at medium preset

 

[razor1]

Interesting, PCSS or CHS should only hit around 20% max, something is very wrong there if its hitting more than that......

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

No wonder they added microtransactions and locked DLCs and microtrasactions to save games so you need to rebuy when you start a new one. Because this game isn't going to last long.

Wait, what? Link?

That is pretty obscene.

 

[Rizen]

Wait, what? Link?

That is pretty obscene.

It's not really true. There are microtransactions but they don't impact the way the game plays in any way. I didn't even realize there were microtransactions until I read a forum post about it after I'd already played the game for a bit.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

THIS! SO MUCH THIS! I don't understand the big deal about reducing your settings. It's like people expect paying $1200 for a card should suddenly mean you have an all access pass to Ultra settings land. I remember games like Crysis being released with ridiculous settings that couldn't be attained with enthusiast level hardware of that generation and required 2 or 3 GPU iterations to be playable at 1080p 60 FPS. So before we start screaming "UNOPTIMIZED PIECE OF SHIT!". How about we just tweak the settings a bit? I lowered my shadows, SSAO, turned off motion blur (vomit) and chromatic ab (eye vomit) and now I have no problems running 2560@60 at almost all times.

Now if I could only figure out how to turn off this god awful fucking mouse acceleration.

Well, it depends.

I have no problem with a game coming out of the gate with the max settings not able to be fully supported with todays hardware. This means they were future oriented and want the game to look good for years to come. It is actually a GOOD thing.

If this is the case - however - I expect those settings to actually produce truly stunning visuals.

I haven't bought he game yet, but from the screenshots I've seen, nothing looks truly stunning about this game. Sure it is pretty and all, but not any more so than titles which run easier on a lot lower end hardware.

This is why it seems poorly optimized.

By all means, bring my GPU to it's knees, I encourage this. But if you do, I want to see results in exchange.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

It's not really true. There are microtransactions but they don't impact the way the game plays in any way. I didn't even realize there were microtransactions until I read a forum post about it after I'd already played the game for a bit.

So what are they for? Hats?

 

[Bandalo]

Well, it depends.

I have no problem with a game coming out of the gate with the max settings not able to be fully supported with todays hardware. This means they were future oriented and want the game to look good for years to come. It is actually a GOOD thing.

If this is the case - however - I expect those settings to actually produce truly stunning visuals.

I haven't bought he game yet, but from the screenshots I've seen, nothing looks truly stunning about this game. Sure it is pretty and all, but not any more so than titles which run easier on a lot lower end hardware.

This is why it seems poorly optimized.

By all means, bring my GPU to it's knees, I encourage this. But if you do, I want to see results in exchange.

Exactly this. This game seems to run poorly in initial testing even on medium & low settings. If you're going to make a game that can choke the fastest hardware available, that's fine, but you better have some amazing graphics to show for it. This game doesn't LOOK any better than Witcher 3, but seems to run about 50% slower at max settings.

So either the game and/or drivers are really poorly optimized, or we've hit some tipping point where a 5% increase in IQ will require another 150% in graphics horsepower.

 

[ChosenUno]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/deus-ex-mankind-divided-having-issues-on-pc-preord/1100-6442945/

More frustrating to some are the specifics of the game's preorder/Day One Edition DLC, which is available on all platforms. Called the Covert Agent Pack, this comes with various in-game items, such as weapons, skins, and upgrades. Setting aside one issue--that the game was designed under the assumption you wouldn't have them--there's one other problem: they're one-use-only.

As pointed out on places like Reddit, the first sign of trouble was when the Covert Agent Pack was renamed on Steam to the Augmented Covert Agent Consumables Pack. When you download this on PC or consoles, you can only access "consumable" bonuses (Praxis Kits, ammo, credits, and crafting parts) a single time. As explained in a Reddit post by an Eidos Montreal community manager, these bonuses are located in your storage area until you claim them, at which point "they will be 'consumed' in your current playthrough, and not reusable. Consumables work the way they do due to first-party constraints."

Yeah... No.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/deus-ex-mankind-divided-having-issues-on-pc-preord/1100-6442945/

Yeah... No.

I have to admit, consumable DLC is an absolutely awful concept. I thought regular DLC was bad, but this is horrific. I hope few enough people buy it that this winds up being a failed experiment, and no one ever does it again.

That being said, it sounds as if the game is not really designed for it, so you don't miss out if you don't buy it.

Essentially, it sounds more like a paid cheat than it does a DLC, and when you cheat at a single player game, you are really only cheating yourself

 

[NickJames]

Exactly this. This game seems to run poorly in initial testing even on medium & low settings. If you're going to make a game that can choke the fastest hardware available, that's fine, but you better have some amazing graphics to show for it. This game doesn't LOOK any better than Witcher 3, but seems to run about 50% slower at max settings.

So either the game and/or drivers are really poorly optimized, or we've hit some tipping point where a 5% increase in IQ will require another 150% in graphics horsepower.

If the feature sucks, don't use it. It's just another half assed attempt for GPU makers to throw their eyecandy into the mix to generate more market share anyway. I see no visual fidelity difference between Ultra High Preset running at 30 FPS vs the 2 settings I turned off and running 60 FPS smooth. Also yes the DLC is stupid, I blame Square Enix for that one.

Also these are the performance impacting settings in question.

• Turn off MSAA

• Turn off Contact Hardening Shadows

• Keep Volumetric Lighting to on or off

My performance has been great, not a single stutter or hiccup. Only issue I have encountered so far was my UI locking up when opening a stash (once in 5 hours) and mouse acceleration.

 

[ChosenUno]

I have to admit, consumable DLC is an absolutely awful concept. I thought regular DLC was bad, but this is horrific. I hope few enough people buy it that this winds up being a failed experiment, and no one ever does it again.

That being said, it sounds as if the game is not really designed for it, so you don't miss out if you don't buy it.

Essentially, it sounds more like a paid cheat than it does a DLC, and when you cheat at a single player game, you are really only cheating yourself

The problem is that they falsely advertised the pre-order bonus. On release day, the bonus' name was changed to now indicate that it's consumable. If it was clear from the beginning then there would've been an uproar and huge backlash. But they've suckered a lot of folks into preordering before making this change.

I think there is ground for a CLA for false advertising actually.

 

[Rizen]

Are you seriously suggesting a lawsuit over a few day one pre-order items in game? You guys need to get out more.

 

[ChosenUno]

Are you seriously suggesting a lawsuit over a few day one pre-order items in game? You guys need to get out more.

NVIDIA got a lawsuit up their ass for the 970 fiasco, why not this? It's still false advertising, no?

 

[Rizen]

NVIDIA got a lawsuit up their ass for the 970 fiasco, why not this? It's still false advertising, no?

That is an entirely different issue with a physical product not working as advertised, one that cost hundreds of dollars. I would like to think that people can differentiate between that and a couple of in-game items in terms of scale.

 

[NickJames]

I don't know why Square Enix keeps tarnishing their reputation with these blatant cash grabs. Do they really generate enough revenue on it that it's worth making themselves look bad?

 

[ChosenUno]

That is an entirely different issue with a physical product not working as advertised, one that cost hundreds of dollars. I would like to think that people can differentiate between that and a couple of in-game items in terms of scale.

Wait, so they were promised normal pre-order bonuses, but upon release day the name of the bonuses changed into consumables, indicating one time use. But all the time prior to this they weren't named consumables. How's that not deceptive marketing?

Buy Deus Ex: Mankind Divided™ from the Humble Store

Players were promised the Covert Agent Pack. They instead got the Augmented Covert Agent Consumables Pack. That's deceptive marketing, and you can get consumer protection agencies all up their ass, at least in some EU countries.

 

[Rizen]

Sorry man, I just don't really care. If you want to get all upset about pre-order bonuses, go for it. I have more things in my life to worry about than this. The game itself is fun and I'm enjoying it and I'm not really interested into getting an argument over this particular point.

 

[Rizen]

Quick show of hands - who here is actually playing the game on their PC and their performance experiences are first-hand vs benchmarks run by some website?

 

[NickJames]

Quick show of hands - who here is actually playing the game on their PC and their performance experiences are first-hand vs benchmarks run by some website?

Played for 5 hours, I do get the results most benchmarks get using the Ultra preset, nothing a couple of tweaks couldn't fix though.

 

[cageymaru]

AMD recommended settings.
Deus Ex: Mankind Recommended Settings | Radeon

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Sorry man, I just don't really care. If you want to get all upset about pre-order bonuses, go for it. I have more things in my life to worry about than this. The game itself is fun and I'm enjoying it and I'm not really interested into getting an argument over this particular point.

To me it doesn't really matter what it is.

If I buy something and it doesn't match the description, I try to return it, regardless of how cheap it was.

I don't know how much the pre-order bonus thing cost, but I bet it was at least $10? That's real money.

 

[Rizen]

It was a pre-order bonus. There was no extra cost. I pre-ordered the game because the reviews were excellent and I enjoyed the previous title, it wasn't a determining factor in my purchase.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

It was a pre-order bonus. There was no extra cost. I pre-ordered the game because the reviews were excellent and I enjoyed the previous title, it wasn't a determining factor in my purchase.

Ah, if there was no additional cost, then IMHO its a moot point.

I'm generally opposed to pre-orders, but I did consider pre-ordering this one, as Deus Ex has been one of my favorite series on the PC since 2001. (well, as long as we forget about the disaster that was Invisible War. I didn't even finish that one) I just never got around to it.

I allow myself to pre-order games, if they are part of series I know with 100% certainty I will be buying anyway. This way the devs get more money up front, and it is more likely their financial modeling will look better when they try to make the decision about whether or not to make the next one in the series.

At this point I'm slowly working my way through Fallout New Vegas (I bought it years ago, and it sat in my Steam "to play" list for way too long) and I'll probably play through Fallout 4 first too (haven't bought it yet either).

Then it's going to depend. Fallout 4 may keep me occupied until October, at which point I suspect I will be hopelessly in the throws of a Civilization VI addiction (this one I DO intend to pre-order), so it might be a while until I actually buy this new Deus Ex.

Hopefully by then driver optimizations and game patches will improve performance some, and maybe - just maybe - someone will have figured out how to get BIOS mods working on the new Titan, so I can overclock it higher.

It's strange though. If we don't count DLC expansions for Civilization, the last three games I bought were:

• Red Orchestra 2: Heoes of Stalingrad (2011)
• Deus Ex: Human Revolution (2011)
• Civilization V

For 5 years there wasn't a single new title that interested me, then now in 2016 three good ones hit in rapid succession, Fallout 4, Deus Ex Mankind Divided and Civilization VI...

I guess good things really do come in three's?

 

[Rizen]

I try to buy games at full price for my favorite series assuming that devs put in the effort to make the game worthwhile. I paid for Dragon Age: Inquisition, Fallout 4, Witcher 3, Deus Ex: MD, and a few other games recently at full price. You and I have pretty similar buying philosophies. I just don't like how toxic the gaming community gets around things like DLC, pre-order bonuses, microtransactions, etc. I have no interest in any of that, but I don't care about it so long as the game isn't carved up to sell more DLC and the developers aren't shoving it down my throat. Deus Ex specifically is a complete game and the DLC/microtransactions are purely optional so it doesn't intrude on the experience.

 

[morfinx]

Tried to run the game at 4k, and my rig immediately keeled over Had to settle on 1440p Ultra (except anisotropic filtering at 16x). Frame rate seems to be pegged at 60fps so far.

 

[Armenius]

It's not really true. There are microtransactions but they don't impact the way the game plays in any way. I didn't even realize there were microtransactions until I read a forum post about it after I'd already played the game for a bit.

Yeah, the microtransaction store is actually pretty well hidden.

Quick show of hands - who here is actually playing the game on their PC and their performance experiences are first-hand vs benchmarks run by some website?

Played the game for about 4 hours. The game generally runs a lot better than the benchmark, hitting 70-90 FPS in most areas. It sometimes drops to 40 in outdoor areas.