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Desktop PC Platform: Killed By Overclocking

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Is the overclocking market really killing the industry?I like reading editorials like this just so I can ask you guys whether the author is “onto something” or simply “on something.” Read the article and share your thoughts on the subject.

The examples are everywhere: Intel's $1000+ 'Extreme Edition' desktop processors, Gigabyte's $700 GA-X58A-UD9 motherboard, and $300 system memory kits for overclockers. While there are people willing to buy these items, they often lose sight of the original purpose behind overclocking: making something slow become fast, and getting something more for no added cost. Tacking $2000 onto the price tag of your computer system is hardly keeping in the spirit of overclocking, and is more closely identified with showing off how much money you can spend. The problem only gets worse.
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Uhmmm... *cough*BULLSHIT*cough* :p

I swear, I need to become a technology "evangelist" or something, it just never ceases to amaze me that people make hard currency for publishing such utter bullshit, really.
 
It is all about choice. If you do not want to pay out $2,000 just get something affordable. There is nothing wrong spending more if the product is worthy of the investment.
 
Plus every time you overclock, you are taking a risk with your hardware, however small it may be these days. If you can't afford to replace your hardware, and want to play it totally safe but still have the fastest stuff, go ahead and blow $2000.
 
now imagine how many lost sight of the original purpose behind cars :rolleyes:
 
Stupid consumers, always trying to get the most out of what they paid for. We should be ashamed.
 
lol, this guy needs to go back to his BP6 and celly 300a's
 
This guy is a moron, I truly don't even know where to begin debunking his bullshit.
 
I always thought of overclocking as getting the most out of your system.

It's about performance; not necessarily about cost.
 
Overclocking isn't dead.

The marketing department just grabbed the term. Just like platinum edition doesn't mean anything anymore, and Gold series is the discount line.

Anyone who got a i7 920 and OC-ed the heck out of it is keeping the tradition alive. Along with all people who unlocked a core in their AMD chips.
 
Damnit people overclocking isn't killing enough CPUs anymore. Do you remember when AMDs used to go up in smoke when they got too hot? If we killed 1 in every 2 CPU on suicide runs we'd spend TWICE as much on chips and make the buisness twice as much. Because OCing accounts for 90% of CPU buisness. I even did my smartphone and PS3.
 
'Cause you can only overclock the most expensive parts, right? Right?!? .....
 
Damn I thought this article would be some sort of blown up rig after too much overclocking. Instead I get a bunch of crap.
 
I think I understand what he is trying to say. It does make sense if you come from the "old school" camp of overclockers. Overclocking has gone from the practice of squeezing every last drop of performance from your hardware because you need it to "nah nah my peni... I mean my PC is bigger, badder, and needs it's own nuclear reactor to power it!". At least that is the perception that it can give sometimes. Most of the forums I go on have people that are truly passionate about overclocking from a hobbyist stand point and are also happy to help those that want to learn how. Then there are times I see posts where the poster says...

"Dude! I just spent $7k on this killer rig!.. I could have gotten very similar performance from something a quarter of the price and a little tweaking... but I needed something to blow my wa... I mean cash on."

Not a direct quote... but close. Am I saying that if money was not a concern that I wouldn't build a rig that could run into the $5k+ range?.. No... but I wouldn't do it just for the sake of doing it.

If you have only been building or overclocking PCs for less than 5 years... I don't think you can really appreciate where this guys article is coming from. Yeah, he may be suffering from a little "old school-itis" but I do think that he makes some good points.
 
Mostly Bullshit. I have the option to buy an 1100 Dollar CPU, 500 dollar video card and 300 dollar memory with a 700 dollar motherboard. Will I? likely not. I'll buy midrange to "Pro" level and then overclock as much as possible, Do I think that prices are getting out of line ? hell yes, but I choose what to spend.

This guy's article is total bs.
 
I simply think there are two camps.. 1 camp is the "I blow money on shit to look cool" and another is the "We want the best bang for our buck, so we overclock to meet our needs".

Thankfully there are only a few dipshits in the first camp.. I'd have to say I've only ever met 2-3 people like that..

/me pets i7 920 and i7 930
 
He's not talking about overclocking. He's talking about products for people with more money than sense. There is a difference.

Truly, as the old saying goes, "a fool and his money are easily parted."

What is he going to bitch about next? Ugly bling cases and lights?

He comes across a bit crotchety... "Damn kids! Get off my lawn!"
 
MavericK96 said:
Plus every time you overclock, you are taking a risk with your hardware, however small it may be these days. If you can't afford to replace your hardware, and want to play it totally safe but still have the fastest stuff, go ahead and blow $2000.
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Actually Most people don't see it that way.. They overclock, kill or mess up their stuff and then ask to get it replaced. It raises cost for everyone. The first thing I think of before I OC is "Do I mind risking $x out of pocket if I kill it and have to replace it out of pocket?" Now that I'm married and have a hard line budget the answer is "don't risk it, even if the risk is remote..."
 
Robstar said:
Actually Most people don't see it that way.. They overclock, kill or mess up their stuff and then ask to get it replaced. It raises cost for everyone. The first thing I think of before I OC is "Do I mind risking $x out of pocket if I kill it and have to replace it out of pocket?" Now that I'm married and have a hard line budget the answer is "don't risk it, even if the risk is remote..."
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The there are those of us who know the risk and don't get stuff replaced. I don't rember how many socket A procs I killed when I was first learning. I knew I f-ed up when I killed them and did a couple fix jobs so afford to replace them. Same boat now though, I don't like down time and my performance is at an acceptable level.
 
Does the author drive an Accord and bitch about people who buy BMW's? Different strokes for different folks. Those more expensive parts are also (generally) the best chips out there and will overclock the furthest.
 
Damn, forgot to add that there's no risk in overclocking as long as you know what you're doing. Read up, use your head, and you won't have a problem.
 
This article is falsely linking the high-end enthusiast PC hardware market with the "overclocking" market. You can overclock your $1000 extreme edition CPU, but that certainly doesn't mean you need a $1000 CPU or a $300 memory kit to do so. The presence of such products in the market does not eclipse or undermine the commercial viability of more modest, higher value products that can be overclocked to the same levels. I guess what I'm saying is that the article is plain wrong.
 
Mr. K6 said:
Damn, forgot to add that there's no risk in overclocking as long as you know what you're doing. Read up, use your head, and you won't have a problem.
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Thats not true, the second you run any product beyond the MFRs specifications you are taking a risk. although that risk is not huge, it is still there. Even if the OC wasn't the problem you could be denied warranty coverage due to Overclocking activity.
 
I think what this author maybe fails to realize is a lot of my generation (I'm 28) grew up in the 90's with the first mass marketed PC's. As my generation remains interested in computers and hardware (for whatever the reason) our disposable income has increased significantly and in the spirit of capitalism companies are making and marketing products to this group of consumers that didn't exist in the infancy of overclocking.

Overclocking is just a hobby and people will always throw plenty of money at their hobbies and typically only get some self satisfaction in return - and hey if being able to fiddle around with a $700 motherboard puts a smile on your face more power to you!
 
Budget overclockers vs [H]ard overclockers.

Any questions? ^_^
 
What a totally clueless fool the author is.

The number of enthusists that OC, wouldn't make a pimple on a mosquito's butt when compared to the total number of PCs in use.

For him to claim that OCers are killing the PC platform would like some fool in an Car Enthusist site claiming that drag racers are killing the car market :D
 
I guess I am one of the few that think he has a point here. while it doesn't apply to the mainstream (I don't think it does at any rate) we in the enthusiast market do pay a steep premium for potentially faster products rather then actual faster products.

At some point the computer industry went from asking consumers to pay more for the faster products, to paying more for products you might be able to make faster. This runs opposite of other industrial markets, which is why manufacturer's have spent so much of that added cost on convincing you that the purchase was necessary. Intel's Core i7-980X 6-Core CPU was advertised as the "Ultimate Gaming Weapon", but testing proved it did nothing at all for video game performance when paired with a suitable (and much less expensive) video card. The same message is parroted by memory manufacturers, who have notoriously labeled their products as gamer this-or-that. So how long can this business model last?
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there is some truth to this. OC is more of a hobby then a practical act. how good of a business model is this? I don't know but I don't think the article was bullshit at all
 
jeverson said:
If you have only been building or overclocking PCs for less than 5 years... I don't think you can really appreciate where this guys article is coming from. Yeah, he may be suffering from a little "old school-itis" but I do think that he makes some good points.
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He starts by saying he's and old bastard and started overclocking on a Cyrix M-II 233MHz processor in 1998 because thats what was avilale blahblah, and that it was before people had proper "overclocking crap"...But didn't the Pentium II "OverDrive" come out in 1998, and wasn't that a enthusiast part? He should have waited a year when I remember with my decent memory getting a 700mh/z P3 in 1999 and getting 1gh/z OC chips before the millenium gave out...which is slightly more than 33mh/z...

The whole article can be boiled down to
So overclocking began when enthusiasts simply needed hardware that could drive at the speed limit, and not necessarily to outperform a reasonable need for speed. That's when the component hardware industry stepped in to make a profit:
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That was before computer hardware could keep up with user demands. These days, most hardware components are faster than you'll ever need. Enthusiast-branded products simply mean you're paying a premium for the privilege to own hardware capable of yielding an overclock... but once you've paid their price there's no guarantee you'll experience any difference.
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I think he hasn't come across any decent games ever. Sure any POS computer can run office and excel and rediculous paces, but there is a reason people overclock a EE Intel chip still. Now my 930 runs at 4gh/z which is faster than the "extreme" 9whatever, but would the unlocked multiplier make this run better. Probably Yes. Is it worth the extra 700$ Probably no. (It does have a better memory controller etc. but the point still stands)
Now I know the "superclock" version of Graphics cards are usually a POS. They are usually just the stock card with 10mh/z more core speed that any fool with riva tuner could do.
His main argument starts with the cooling segment. There is alot of misuse of the word "overclock" here perhaps, and I do know of several people that have liquid cooling and run at stock. There are probably pleantly OCs in product names without much improvement over the stock intel models. But, this isn't universal, and also he already stated that he thinks that comptuers are fast enough already. I suppose its about time we all go back to XP and stop paying for those 1gh/z shenanigans that intel and AMD release, because we can browse the web fine. How dare nvidia and ATI charge for GPUs coupled with more than 64mb vram, it's killing stuff. Especially the Chip sector. tsk. tsk.

His line that people "often lose sight of the original purpose behind overclocking: making something slow become fast, and getting something more for no added cost." If people weren't still running i5s at paces faster then extreme editions to run games and media programs faster then this argument would be true. I didn't OC 470s for the hell of it, I did it because I couldn't afford 480s but still needed the performance for metro. The same is true of my choice of CPU. I didn't spend $5k for my system. People love being dramatic, and being link bait. He has achieved both. When people write "...is dead" it usually relates inadvertently to journalism.
 
OCgamer666 said:
Thats not true, the second you run any product beyond the MFRs specifications you are taking a risk. although that risk is not huge, it is still there. Even if the OC wasn't the problem you could be denied warranty coverage due to Overclocking activity.
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Lol, no, not at all. What do you think is so magical about the MFRs specifications? (hint: nothing).
 
I am 30 years old and belong to the same gen as the author. He has one or two good points but the rest of article is just bunk as so many of you have pointed out.
 
RAF_OldBuzzard said:
What a totally clueless fool the author is.

The number of enthusists that OC, wouldn't make a pimple on a mosquito's butt when compared to the total number of PCs in use.

For him to claim that OCers are killing the PC platform would like some fool in an Car Enthusist site claiming that drag racers are killing the car market :D
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They are killing the speeding market! Probably, but yes enthusiast market is 0.1% of the market, as I remind that the 5970 isnt the wolrds best selling card...
 
It all comes down to your e-penis. I agree with the guy regardless of who gets offended and reacts back at the article by insulting its writer.
 
heatlesssun said:
Huh? I have NO idea what this article is trying to say.
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Hes saying that because you got a 980 and 480s you're butchering children and did bad things to jewish people in the last world wide battle. Because theres no reason for computers beyond word and the web...
 
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