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Dell U2412M

I guess what I meant was that the 2312HM seemed to match or be better than the 2412M in almost all tests, and was wondering what made you decide to get the 2412M over the 2312HM?
 
It was because the difference in input lag is negligible from the 23 and 24, since tft's measurement for the 23 was wrong, according to other reviews I viewed. I also like the 16:10 aspect ratio.
 
xcrico said:
What is better about this monitor than the 2312HM? Was looking at that from the TFTCentral review and it seems everything on it seemed better than the 2412M?

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2312hm.htm

Is there something I am missing? Or is it just the extra pixels?

Also, I am mainly a gamer but I the love the color reproduction of IPS panels. Right now I have a TN that is 6 years old I want to replace. Would both of these monitors be good for playing L4D2, Skyrim, Serious Sam BFE kind of games?
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Input lag is lower, but the U2412M is low enough not to cause an issue.

For gaming you need to decide if you want a 16:9 or 16:10 screen. The U2312HM is 16:9 and some gamers prefer it for the slightly larger FOV. If all you do is game it may be a better option.
 
I would take the input lag measurement of the U2312HM review with a grain of salt. It is not that low. The tool they use to test input lag is an inferior quality one.
 
azeem40 said:
I would take the input lag measurement of the U2312HM review with a grain of salt. It is not that low. The tool they use to test input lag is an inferior quality one.
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Yes, they are both the same, which is basically almost zero lag plus pixel response delay.

One could theoretically say pushing fewer vertical pixels would be faster and put less stress on the video card making a U2312HM technically faster, but that's splitting hairs IMHO.
 
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I hope the purchase is a worthwhile one, cuz if it is not, I might just get a 120Hz monitor. :p
 
I set this up yesterday and looks great, but holy backlight bleed! :eek: The bleed is way more than my 2405fpw but it's not going to be a big issue, even though I tend to keep things dark while gaming.

Otherwise, the color is great and 10e's settings look just about perfect when eyeballed against the monitor calibration test pics.
 
eggrock said:
I set this up yesterday and looks great, but holy backlight bleed! :eek: The bleed is way more than my 2405fpw but it's not going to be a big issue, even though I tend to keep things dark while gaming.

Otherwise, the color is great and 10e's settings look just about perfect when eyeballed against the monitor calibration test pics.
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the BLB is most likely caused by pressure against the bezel or the screen not seated properly, gently press around edge of the screen or the bezel to see if it help, mine have zero BLB.
 
Mine should be arriving tomorrow, I decided to get one after playing with a work U2312HM, I am used to 2x2209WA, the 2312 looked more vibrant than my 2209's.
 
Just got my U2412M and got it setup and tuned it. Absolutely love it!

Best monitor I ever had. I was on the fence between this monitor and one of the Asus TN displays which are highly rated for gaming which is alot of what I do. But the call of the IPS viewing angles and the quality of the Dell displays was too much.

Sooooo glad I went with the U2412M. I play alot of Wow , Dead island, COD 3, Skyrim and all look great with no noticeable ghosting.

I came from an older TN 2ms display and honestly can't tell the diff ghosting wise. just a whole heck of a lot better picture, that's for sure.
 
beatleslove said:
Agreed.
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xcrico said:
I guess what I meant was that the 2312HM seemed to match or be better than the 2412M in almost all tests, and was wondering what made you decide to get the 2412M over the 2312HM?
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It happens to be one of the cheapest 1920x1200 monitors available anywhere, regardless of panel type and other features. If I were in the market for another monitor, I'd consider the the U2412m @$300 even if it weren't an IPS screen with a tilt/swivel/rotate stand and displayport. You'll be hard pressed to find a better 1920x1200 screen for ~$300. (I've seen it at $249, that was ridiculously good)
 
Borrowed a i1 Display Pro from work, I'll try calibrating over the weekend.
 
ben805 said:
the BLB is most likely caused by pressure against the bezel or the screen not seated properly, gently press around edge of the screen or the bezel to see if it help, mine have zero BLB.
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It looks like it's just the monitor and how far I sit from it. From an angle, the entire screen appears lighter, and as I view it normally, the corners are lighter with a + shape of darkness in the center of the monitor. The effect rapidly lessens the farther away I get, so I'll try moving it back 4" on my desk and see if that's comfortable on my eyes. Frankly, I'd rather live with light bleed than eye strain.
 
The first time I heard about U2412M I got really excited that an IPS panel can be bought so cheaply. My only previous experience with IPS panels was a Nec 1990SXI, a phenomenal panel (although only 19"). Yesterday I had an opportunity to test the Dell and it was like someone telling me Santa Claus doesn't really exist… :(

The problem with this panel is that most gradients look "dirty". I could see spots of grainy color noise where the color should be smooth. On the good side I didn't notice any serious banding issues.

The screen flickers if you switch it to "Text mode" (dim the screen) and look carefully. It's like looking at a CRT screen at a low frequency (60hz). Nothing very pronounced, but I could easily notice the flickering like many other people on the forum.

All in all I am not saying it's a bad display for watching movies or playing games. But just as a warning for anyone who expects flawless performance from their display, you have to be prepared for these kind of issues. I wouldn't advise to buy this panel without at least testing it at a store first.

I guess I will have to wait another year or two until better 24" IPS panels come out at a price point of U2412M. Or it may as well never happen if e-IPS displays sell good enough for Dell & HP… Until then I am stuck with my tried and trusted Eizo S2231W. :)
 
eggrock said:
It looks like it's just the monitor and how far I sit from it. From an angle, the entire screen appears lighter, and as I view it normally, the corners are lighter with a + shape of darkness in the center of the monitor. The effect rapidly lessens the farther away I get, so I'll try moving it back 4" on my desk and see if that's comfortable on my eyes. Frankly, I'd rather live with light bleed than eye strain.
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That doesn't sound like bleed, that sounds like IPS Glow.
 
Snowdog said:
That doesn't sound like bleed, that sounds like IPS Glow.
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+1, My Panny DT30 has the same effect, but you get used to it over time. It's not noticeable on either my monitor or TV anymore.
 
Hello!

I have used a 2007WFP, a G2410, and a U2410. The 2007 is very easy on my eyes, but the other two give me migraines. Has anyone else experienced something similar? How does the LED backlighting affect those w/ similarly sensitive eyeballs? :D

Edit: Is it the dot pitch maybe?
 
I've had two 2007wfp (ips and pva) and a nec 20wmgx2 before I got a 2412.

The 20wmgx2 had the best screen, but the 2412 is better than the 2007wfps.
 
That's high praise IMO. If you don't mind clarifying, in what way is the 2412 better than the 2007WFP, specifically the S-IPS version. Is it just as easy on the eyes? The U2410's H-IPS comes across as harsh to me.
 
Im gutted, mine arrived but it has a bad yellow hue on white backgrounds, im thinking it must be defective so a replacement is on the way :(
 
gravit8 said:
Im gutted, mine arrived but it has a bad yellow hue on white backgrounds, im thinking it must be defective so a replacement is on the way :(
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I replaced 2 of 5 for a similar issue since the yellow hue was localized and you can't calibrate color uniformity out of specific regions. The replacements were much better. :)
 
kazzz said:
The first time I heard about U2412M I got really excited that an IPS panel can be bought so cheaply. My only previous experience with IPS panels was a Nec 1990SXI, a phenomenal panel (although only 19"). Yesterday I had an opportunity to test the Dell and it was like someone telling me Santa Claus doesn't really exist… :(
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That's what I was kinda worried about as well... I nearly bought this screen a few months ago but decided to hang onto my Iiyama 20" CRTs. The whole 6-bit AFR panel thing just doesn't have me convinced. The backlight flicker and ghosting aren't helping either.

I did look at higher-end IPS LCDs, but they're not much better either, although they do not have the flicker issue and true 8-bit panels. Still doesn't equal my 5+ year old CRTs, though =/

I guess I will have to wait another year or two until better 24" IPS panels come out at a price point of U2412M. Or it may as well never happen if e-IPS displays sell good enough for Dell & HP… Until then I am stuck with my tried and trusted Eizo S2231W. :)
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I fear that by that time you'll be looking at OLED/QLED displays. Samsung is pulling out of the LCD market already. The moment LG does so as well it's curtains for LCD.

Not that I'd mind an WOLED-based display, mind you :)
 
(May have already been covered here) but does anyone know what's needed to get this dell model to run Cable TV? Thanks.
 
K2ray said:
(May have already been covered here) but does anyone know what's needed to get this dell model to run Cable TV? Thanks.
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... It's a monitor, it doesn't have a tuner... so you'll need everything to tune, and output a signal to the screen. :rolleyes:
 
dell has a %15 off which works for this monitor

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just hit buy for one for myself!
 
shadyqwerty said:
That's high praise IMO. If you don't mind clarifying, in what way is the 2412 better than the 2007WFP, specifically the S-IPS version. Is it just as easy on the eyes? The U2410's H-IPS comes across as harsh to me.
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Harsh is a good word for how I felt the 2007wfp looked compared to the others. I love the opticlear on the 20wgmx2 and even though I prefer gloss, the 2412 is very easy on my eyes.

I'm sorry I couldn't describe it better than that.
 
The AG coating, even on solid white backgrounds has never bothered me. By harsh, I meant, the U2410 physically caused me pain after 10 to 15 minutes of usage. My eyes would ache, then my head would pound. I can stare @ the 2007WFP indefinitely wo/ issue.

Are we talking about the same thing? Or do you just prefer the looks of a glossy panel? The 20wgmx2's a sweet looking thing, I'll give you that!

I'm more curious if it was the type/strength of CCFL backlighting, larger pixel pitch, or H type IPS panel in the U2410 that caused so much pain.

I'll have a couple U2412's soon, so we'll see how e-IPS rates on the all important "comfort" factor.
 
It wasn't the AG coating. The pixels just didn't seem as sharp as either the 20wgmx2 or the 2412. It probably was the pitch that I didn't like as much. With opticlear I guess it made it more bearable.

All of panels look great though. I never regretted buying either of them.
 
My replacement arrived today, much happier. The AG coating definately puts a yellow tinge to whites if in harsh sunlight but you cant expect too much in those conditions. The display, after some tweaks, looks much better than my 2209's.
 
rolling_tiger said:
It wasn't the AG coating. The pixels just didn't seem as sharp as either the 20wgmx2 or the 2412. It probably was the pitch that I didn't like as much. With opticlear I guess it made it more bearable.
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But harsh as in giving you pain or just quality wise?

IIRC, 2007WFP's pitch was .258, tighter than 2412's .27. I remember specifically disliking the U2410 for it's text resolution. I figured it was the pitch, but I don't see the issue on these G2410's. So who knows what's going on. Although, for me, the AG coating does more for "muddying" up the detail on my 2007WFP.

Corvette said:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5550/dell-u2412m-16-10-ips-without-breaking-the-bank Anand review. Not the grittiest, but fine overall. If I had a friend that wanted a 24" monitor I'd suggest this first.
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Sweet review! The biggest disappointment for my home gaming experience is the complete lack of the 2007WFP's ability to produce black. I'm sure it's age doesn't help, but it never really did have much contrast. I'm very excited to see how the 2412 does here.
 
My understanding is that, minus IPS-glow and backlight bleed, eIPS have pretty decent contrast. YMMV.
 
It could be that I prefer the LED backlight of the 2412 and as you mentioned, the higher contrast ratio compared to the 2007wfp
 
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