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Dell U2410

Hello everybody
I just received U2410 monitor today for my 2003 Dell Dimension 8300 PC. So far I do not see any problem with this monitor. I am waiting for a copy of Spyder3 Elite for the calibration. I have a All in wonder Radeon 9000 Pro video card in my PC, and I realized that I can not set max resolution of 1900x1200 with the card. Tech Support told me so. I do not have much choice for video cards since it has to be PCI slot compatible. but does anyone have any recommendation for the card that goes up to 1900x1200 resolution? I saw this card to be potential, but the specification is confusing (Digital resolution 1600x1200/Max resolution 2048x1536).
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/578987-REG/EVGA_128P1N309LX_e_GeForce_FX_5200_PCI.html#System Requirements

Thanks for the help!!

Henry
 
I had one of these 6200's for a long time and it worked great. No fan, so no noise. Still have it as a backup.

Something else funny I've noticed, but when I'm wearing my glasses txt has a reddish hologram effect that's nonexistent on my 2007WFP. So far, I'm pretty disappointed that this new H-IPS just doesn't look as good as my 3 yr old S-IPS. :(

EDIT: I really feel like I'm looking @ a nice TN. This thing sucks. Even the blacks look worse than my old 2007...this is really strange. Also the controls on the right side of the monitor are a joke.
 
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I allways thought IPS panels are good on viewing angles. The only thing I am really dissapointed with U2410 is how the brightness unevenly changes when I look at it from a little higher, I have my 8 year old FP2001 in front of me and the color just doesn't change. It really bothers me as I type sometimes from standing up and the darker brightness bulge is annoying. I allways thought IPS don't suffer from that problem :(
 
I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. But at least I know it's not only my panel w/ this problem. For an IPS panel, it sure doesn't act like one. :(
 
I took a first shot at adjusting the color controls to in custom color mode to get the primary colors to sRGB CIE coordinates measuring with an Eye One Display 2 colorimeter:

x y
R 0.6400 0.3300
G 0.3000 0.6000
B 0.1500 0.0600

Note this isn't a traditional calibration, it's just tweaking saturation and hue to give me these readings.
I certainly got very close. It's interesting that the sRGB preset did not read anywhere close to these values. Photos in sRGB preset look quite reddish compared to my custom color settings.

I guess the good news is that the controls seems to work properly.

I asked this question before but never got an answer ... does adjusting saturation and hue in custom color mode affect what you see when you switch to the sRGB or AdobeRGB presets? In other words, would the sRGB preset with factory settings look different than the sRGB preset after adjusting saturation and hue in custom color mode?
 
jerry2 said:
I allways thought IPS panels are good on viewing angles. The only thing I am really dissapointed with U2410 is how the brightness unevenly changes when I look at it from a little higher, I have my 8 year old FP2001 in front of me and the color just doesn't change. It really bothers me as I type sometimes from standing up and the darker brightness bulge is annoying. I allways thought IPS don't suffer from that problem :(
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That's a difference with this version of the H-IPS panel, and the older S-IPS.
 
Jodiuh said:
I had one of these 6200's for a long time and it worked great. No fan, so no noise. Still have it as a backup.

Something else funny I've noticed, but when I'm wearing my glasses txt has a reddish hologram effect that's nonexistent on my 2007WFP. So far, I'm pretty disappointed that this new H-IPS just doesn't look as good as my 3 yr old S-IPS. :(

EDIT: I really feel like I'm looking @ a nice TN. This thing sucks. Even the blacks look worse than my old 2007...this is really strange. Also the controls on the right side of the monitor are a joke.
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Isn't this due to the high color of the monitor? SInce most programs including Windows do not take advantage of this, your color would look washed out?

I remember reading on another thread that people were complaining about this, I think it was the NEC one. Yea sorry for the none details, I suck in remembering exactly where I read them. :(

There was a previous link...here it is http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14825280#post14825280 specifically to post #49 where the poster has Windows Photo Gallery open compared to his desktop.

So and I am sure someone can correct me if I am wrong. If the programs are not able to read high color you are going to be disappointed because the color is going to be off.
 
tronmaster said:
Isn't this due to the high color of the monitor? SInce most programs including Windows do not take advantage of this, your color would look washed out?

I remember reading on another thread that people were complaining about this, I think it was the NEC one. Yea sorry for the none details, I suck in remembering exactly where I read them. :(

There was a previous link...here it is http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14825280#post14825280 specifically to post #49 where the poster has Windows Photo Gallery open compared to his desktop.

So and I am sure someone can correct me if I am wrong. If the programs are not able to read high color you are going to be disappointed because the color is going to be off.
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With wide gamut, the colors look over saturated in non-color aware applications. Now if you get used to the over saturation, then in aware apps with a proper sRGB profile colors may seem washed out. This is not considering the sRGB mode which may wash out color on it's own if uncalibrated.
 
jerry2 said:
Bah so everybody of you have this "phenomen"? May I ask you... what is better in H-IPS from S-IPS? I seem to prefer S-IPS.
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They both have there advantages and disadvantages. H-IPS generally have darker blacks and better uniformity.
 
Thanx for clearing it up to me. So you can confirm you all see the background "bulges" or brightness fluctuation when looked from higher than right in front? Itis not a defect of my monitor?
 
jerry2 said:
Thanx for clearing it up to me. So you can confirm you all see the background "bulges" or brightness fluctuation when looked from higher than right in front? Itis not a defect of my monitor?
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I have the HP LP2475w, same panel different revision, and brightness does deteriorate when the panel is viewed from above. But honestly, why would you be viewing the screen from above other than for an instant while getting up to go do something?
 
henry001 said:
I just received U2410 monitor today for my 2003 Dell Dimension 8300 PC...
...I do not have much choice for video cards since it has to be PCI slot compatible.
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Hi.

From the Dell support page, your Dimension 8300 came with a AGP 8X slot.
 
Well, sometimes I sit on my leg and I am higher, sometimes I don't sit and write something fast while standing up and the brightness is so much uneven and darker it is hard to read. Maybe I am just picky here or maybe I am used to S-IPS of 2001FP Dell, that doesn't deteriorate.

And I allways thought IPS doesn't deteriorate when viewed from the top :-( Left right doesn't but here I would as why one would look from left or right :) i see more reasong to look from above :)
 
In custom color mode, the gamma is really bad, even after you get the primary colors and grayscale nearly perfect. It's well below 2.2, especially for lighter shades of gray. Blue gamma is particularly
bad.

I think only a proper calibration will fix it. You can certainly get things looking somewhat better by using the gamma control on an ATI video card. I don't know anything about current Nvidia cards.
 
Also the bottom left corner is shiny black. It's incredibly distracting in Batman.
 
On the Lagom black levels page, there is explanation about the diethering and why we see it. I only see it in this tests, nowhere in real life. Please tell me where in real situation I can see it? Else it doesn't bother me as I do not stare at the test all day :)
 
My experiences with U2410
Just bought the U2410 (coming from CRT) and I must say that I find the low-light dithering (fixed pattern) in sRGB and Adobe very disturbing. Basically I can see it in the pixel value range 6-64 (grey and coloured) - in terms of visibility it pops out at 6, increases for a while and then starts to fade out becoming unnoticeable at 64. I can even see it from 1.5meters and it's visible in photos, movies, games & dark webpages. If this is a "feature" on all U2410, it's beyond me how they'd think people would accept this. And, being picky about colours, I find that sRGB and Adobe are the only acceptable presets I can use ... and then "this". I've tried making Custom look like sRGB but can't get it just right (enought to be happy).

Something else ... using a Geforce 8800GTS and Windows XP I can create custom resolutions for 24 (23.976) and 48Hz, but I don't seem to be able to get smooth playback of movie material at 24/23.976 (using "Reclock" application to make sure it's perfectly synced with refresh and vsync). If I use 60Hz and speed up movie playrate to 30Hz (using Reclock), it's perfectly smooth as it should, but of course can't watch it at that speed. Anyone else tried this ... is this a problem with OS or graphics card? The monitor accepts the new frame rates fine and reports it correctly in "info".

So, I wonder if timing "circuits" just don't work well at anything but 60hz (even if it accepts other framerates)? Anyone else having this problem? Could it depend on OS or graphics card? Don't have any other way to test 24p ... can anyone confirm that using a blu-ray player gets perfectly smooth 24p playback?

The only other issue so far (after 2 days), is that the monitor buttons are not very good ... unresponsive at times.

Well just my thoughts, in case it might help you make a decision. I'm still considering returning it, but unfortunately I can't find many alternatives, which are acceptable in terms of price, viewing angles, and colours. BTW, got it for roughly 500euros in Sweden (which is pretty much my limit).
 
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niknakk said:
you guys here are all just anal and picky...

for the price, and Dell's past success with its previous monitors, there's no reason why you would say no to the U2410, vs NEC or HP, and if you're looking for a "good 24inch IPS monitor".

the only other option is Apple's Cinema LED 24inch display (IPS) with display-port-only for $900 before tax/shipping. good luck.





just buy one U2410.




unsatisfied? problems? ship it back. It's simple as that. I bought a 2408wfp, wasnt satisfied. im not gonna say the problems or reasons, i just said "no i dont want it".

Next morning, UPS man knocked on my door, say "Hi im here to pick up the Dell package?" i was like what? already? that was fast.. i didnt even pack the monitor into the shipping box yet..

Shipping back to Dell was completely free, the UPS man gave me a UPS tracking tag given by Dell for the monitor, the tag labelled [estimated delivery back to Dell '7 days']

3rd morning after shipping it off, Dell phoned me, saying the full refund is in process already. After the weekend, monday, i had every cent back, shipping/tax everything. I spent zero dollars and there was no "15% restocking fee".




I'm grabbing this U2410 the moment Dell next has it on sale/coupons. If i dont like it, i'll send it back again.



whats so tough to decide whether you should get this monitor?
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Being picky or not, it's about informing of fundamental flaws of this monitor. With that said, i still like my U2410, and if Dell somehow could fix the dithering issue, everything would be fine for me.

jerry2 said:
On the Lagom black levels page, there is explanation about the diethering and why we see it. I only see it in this tests, nowhere in real life. Please tell me where in real situation I can see it? Else it doesn't bother me as I do not stare at the test all day :)
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Sooner or later you will notice it.
 
jerry2 said:
I allways thought IPS panels are good on viewing angles. The only thing I am really dissapointed with U2410 is how the brightness unevenly changes when I look at it from a little higher, I have my 8 year old FP2001 in front of me and the color just doesn't change. It really bothers me as I type sometimes from standing up and the darker brightness bulge is annoying. I allways thought IPS don't suffer from that problem :(
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Jesus. I was really heavily leaning towards this monitor until I read that. How extreme are the angles at which you are seeing this problem? Do you notice it when sitting in front of it? Because otherwise, this sounds like something you'd notice in a god damn TN panel (shudders to remember my experience w/ a TN).

@Vick: To sum up what you're saying, this is an *H-IPS*, and our older monitors (like jerry's FP2001, and my 2005FPW) were S-IPS, and generally superior?
 
I received this monitor this morning. This monitor is so much better than my previous LG 246WP-BN. Loving it so far, no dead/stuck pixels, no input lag, no backlight bleeding whatsoever, no colour shifting, no uneven stand, no graininess effect of any kind. Granted, I'm not a very sensitive person so it's safe to say this experience may not apply to all. One thing I found a little annoying was when I switch display from a bright screen to a dark screen, the monitor seems to adjust the brightness level automatically. So I turned off the dynamic contrast in the menu and that thing is gone. Does anyone know why dyamic contrast is turned on by default? Is it to reduce burning eye's retina or something?
 
I think it's because of advertising. Dell advertises a 80,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. However, I don't think it is possible to achieve that with this monitor.
 
Yeastwood: If you are in front of the monitor you don't notice anything wrong. But I'd say if you go 20 desrees higher the brightness is much darker and uneven. My wife's monitor has this, and it was a 19" no name for 90 € :-( I don't know what panel it is, it is something cheap.

jeong: Where in the menu is the dynamic contrast, I looked all over, but I can not find it.
 
jerry2 said:
Please tell me where in real situation I can see it?
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Batman AA: look @ his cape

Yeastwood said:
How extreme are the angles at which you are seeing this problem?
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Stand up even slightly and the whole image shifts. It's terrible compared w/ my 2007WFP and IMO not much better than a TN. Toss in the unresponsive buttons, inability to change colors in game mode, dithering, and funky red txt/border hologram effect when viewed through glasses and you have one very unimpressive piece of kit for $600. Oh and the blacks aren't much better than my 2007 either. In fact, the bottom corners are so shiny that they distract from my game.
 
jeong said:
Does anyone know why dyamic contrast is turned on by default? Is it to reduce burning eye's retina or something?
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This feature is just called "dynamic contrast". In fact, it's a dynamic brightness feature and has nothing common with contrast.
To reduce burning eye's retina it should have worked in the opposite way (to reduce brightness of brighter scenes - as it works on NECs 90-series).
Real contrast ratio can be measured within the same screen only (best monitors achieved about 1000:1). Dynamic contrast ratio simply does not have physical sense, so it does not exist.
 
My U2410f arrived today (30/09/2009) in the morning.
Only at the end of the day I turn on the monitor.

...and one word only. Amazing!.: Cool:

Report:
Zero problems with pixels or subpixels stuck or dead.
The black is black and uniform.
Colors very intense.
Input LAG 0ms.
Zero problems with the base stand.
Just notice that the brightness is quite high... normally I use the pc in the dark. because my eyes don't like brightness.
 
Graze your finger above the power button then you should see a small square blue light being lit. From there -> Menu -> Display Settings -> near the bottom of the menu there you should see "Dynamic Contrast". And ya I agree w/ albovin, you're right and it should work the other way if it were to do what I said. Nice feature though, I didn't have this w/ my old LG 246.
 
night_2004 said:
If you're worried about the black bars, get one of those new 16:9 monitors. Oh wait, I think almost all of those are TN :D.
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tn's are not that bad.
i am using my samsung 2693hm in place of my new dell 2209wa, it's all about how you see things.
 
TNs are okay for the price. Just be aware that there may be issues with even backlighting throughout. My Samsung T260HD is good, but with dark images/video/games on the screen the bottom tends to be grayer than the rest of the screen. Hasn't been too bad so far. Just waiting for a good deal on a 30".
 
Yeastwood said:
Jesus. I was really heavily leaning towards this monitor until I read that. How extreme are the angles at which you are seeing this problem? Do you notice it when sitting in front of it? Because otherwise, this sounds like something you'd notice in a god damn TN panel (shudders to remember my experience w/ a TN).

@Vick: To sum up what you're saying, this is an *H-IPS*, and our older monitors (like jerry's FP2001, and my 2005FPW) were S-IPS, and generally superior?
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It is a H-IPS, but the older S-IPS are not superior overall. The H-IPS structure reduces the width of the electrodes and reduces light leakage, accomplished by horizontally aligning the electrodes. This can cause the verticle contrast loss that is bieng seen, just as verticle aligned electrodes have a horizontal loss. But with the IPS paralell crystal alignment in both cases, only at extreme angles. That's why you won't notice it as much sitting in front of an IPS screen, compared to a PVA or MVA panels horizontal contrast shift.

S-IPS really don't have an advantage over H-IPS except in sharper text because of the pixel spacing bieng wider, and less verticle contrast loss at the expense of more hoizontal loss. H-IPS are newer generation in every way, and generally are going to be faster with better backlighting and uniformity.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm
 
I have to retract my earlier statement that dithering is noticeable only with the lagom black level test page. You CAN see it with sRGB or AdobeRGB presets on gray windows that are sufficiently dark.
My mistake.
 
It took Dell to "manufacture" my monitor 7 days. Hopefully they are fixing or fixed the problems most of the people encounter, will update here if there's any improvements.
 
Jodiuh said:
Stand up even slightly and the whole image shifts. It's terrible compared w/ my 2007WFP and IMO not much better than a TN. Toss in the unresponsive buttons, inability to change colors in game mode, dithering, and funky red txt/border hologram effect when viewed through glasses and you have one very unimpressive piece of kit for $600. Oh and the blacks aren't much better than my 2007 either. In fact, the bottom corners are so shiny that they distract from my game.
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1, u shuld have waited out for Dell coupons to get the monitor for $480-500bucks, they had it just this month (2nd weekend of september) and will be offering it again soon.
2, you should return it and get back ur $600 if you're not satisfied ;)

ar09 said:
tn's are not that bad.
i am using my samsung 2693hm in place of my new dell 2209wa, it's all about how you see things.
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ur the first person i know to have switched back to TN from IPS... is there any chance you have a 'pro' dslr camera where you can have the TN side-by-side the 2209 ips and show us a picture to compare both together? im interested too.. :D


our top referred 'monitor reviewers' claimed this Dell u2410 as "perfect after calibration" in Standard mode..those complaining about sRgb modes maybe can try standard mode with calibration? or use thier ICC profiles..
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2410.htm
 
I loaded that profile in standard and couldn't see a difference. The Windows 7 color management is confusing as I've never messed with any of this before. Anyone have any handy n00b friendly guides in this?
 
Hello

I have an old Dell PC (Dimension 8300), and the video card that came with it can go up to 1600x1200. When I look at all my camera shots (JPEG files), vertical ones look smushed, and horizontals look elongated. I am planning to purchase new video card that is capable of max resolution. If I get a new card and use 1920x1200 with it, do you guys think the above problem will be solved?

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Henry
 
henry001 said:
Hello

I have an old Dell PC (W), and the video card that came with it can go up to 1600x1200. When I look at all my camera shots (JPEG files), vertical ones look smushed, and horizontals look elongated. I am planning to purchase new video card that is capable of max resolution. If I get a new card and use 1920x1200 with it, do you guys think the above problem will be solved?

Your help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Henry
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U2410's native resolution is 1920x1200. If your max resolution of your computer is 1600x1200, its gonna look weird. Anyway why cling on to a 6 years old computer? Nowadays a brand new PC is very affordable, AMD Athlon II, or Phenom II X2/X3 can gotten for about $300 on newegg. Don't waste money on a old AGP video card.
 
Is there anyway to tell if a replacement monitor you received was refurbished?
 
chrism said:
Is there anyway to tell if a replacement monitor you received was refurbished?
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Apparently the refurbs don't come factory calibrated. No calibration report in the box should be a good indicator.
 
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