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Dell U2311H

raygun said:
I recently received my U2311 and it seems like a good one. If I look for it, I notice a minor tint shift, but it's not really noticeable unless I'm specifically looking for it and only on white or light gray backgrounds. There isn't bad back light bleeding and it seems fairly uniform. It's not absolutely perfect, but nothing I can complain about at this price.

My other monitor is an IPS 2007WFP. This new monitor looks much better. The colors are much better looking. I'm also noticing that some sites or images that I assumed were pure black actually have black to dark gray gradients heh.

One thing though, it's much brighter than my 2007WFP. I have my U2311 brightness set at around 20 and it's still seems overpowering compared to my older monitor. It's actually causing me to get a headache after awhile. Maybe brighter isn't the right word, maybe... more energetic? I don't know, it's hard for me to explain. My guess is it's the back light. Anyone have any ideas of easing the eye strain or headaches? Maybe I'm just sensitive or not used to it after using my other monitor for countless hours over the past few years.
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My U2311h is causeing me less eyestrian, compared to my junk-filled LG TN "auto dim" that this replaced. I can now use my computer for about 6 hours before I feel the need to take a break from it.
 
koven said:
wish i felt the same, tint really bothers me

what are your contrast/brightness settings on?? u gyus running custom RGB or standard?
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Have Dell send you a new one, you get to compare side by side then send back the one you don't like. Mine has zero tint when looking dead on and very slight tinting in the lower left and right corners when looking at a 30 degree plus angle.
 
jeremyshaw said:
My U2311h is causeing me less eyestrian, compared to my junk-filled LG TN "auto dim" that this replaced. I can now use my computer for about 6 hours before I feel the need to take a break from it.
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Same. I have my brightness at about 30-35 and I get no headache or strain at all even after 8 hours.
 
Got my replacement today, and while it has no dead pixels.. the tint issues are still there. A bit less than the first one, but still noticeable. It's kind of frustrating because my old Acer TN panel (which I got for dirt cheap) has none of these issues. Either LG makes horrible panels or Dell has some serious QC issues (they are made in China after all).

Congrats to all those who got good ones. Unfortunately, I don't think luck is on my side so I'm just going to take the 15% hit and return these. Way too much of a hassle.
 
It is probably a LG issue. There panels are manufactured in China, and judging from reports from buyers other companies which they supply are also afflicted with this issue (see NEC ea231 thread for instance).

The Dell monitors themselves are assembled in Mexico for North America, and I believe in Poland for Europe?
 
I don't have a calibration tool like the Spyder, so I just use the images from lagom to adjust the monitor.

My settings so far are:
Custom RGB (R- 99, G- 95, B- 98)
Sharpness at 50 (45 would be the sweet spot but it only goes in increments of 10)
Brightness at 47 (could change if I get eyestrain)
Contrast at 74

This is the first LCD I've used that doesn't required any color adjustment through my video card's drivers!
 
My U2311H seems to be just fine, I didn't go over it yet, but a blu ray looked great from my PS3.
 
^ it's very hard to notice the tint issue when watching movies or playing games.. it should be most apparent on a white background

anyway, my advanced replacement is coming.... hopefully i get a good one, everything about this monitor is amazing
 
I'm very envious of the people that got it for $239. It seems like Dell stopped the coupon and the price is up to $289 after a $30 instant rebate. Am I missing something?
 
lianregnif said:
argh!! Did anyone buy an extra one they don't want haha?
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Honestly, the reduced eyestrain (vs the other three TN panels I have, LG 20", HP W2408h, ASUS VK246H) makes it worth it, to me. Color reproduction and wide viewing angles are merely an added bonus.

If this is for work, and you sit at a computer desk for a long portion of the day - spend the money and get it, IMO.


-unrelated-
If this is for gaming, the only way you are going to get mine is over my cold, dead, body :D (now don't actually kill me, lol). :p
 
So a few pages back I promised to post my thoughts on the refurb u2211h I got from the Dell Outlet. After a week or so, I have to say this monitor lives up to expectations. On a full black background, the purple backlight bleed is visible in the lower right corner, but it's not noticeable otherwise. Can't say I notice any tint issues (I'm coming from an old 17" iMac and 5-year-old-but-venerable Samsung 172x TN panel, for what it's worth). There's a bit of a contrast shift when looking down on the monitor from a high angle, but the colors hold and there's no inversion (shadows becoming bright), so I'm happy. Also, I have the monitor as low as it can go vertically, so I'm sure that exaggerates it a bit.

The first panel I got was in perfect condition cosmetically, but had a few dead pixels. Customer Service had a new (refurb) monitor at my door <24 hours after getting off the phone with them. This one seems pretty much identical (i.e. some backlight bleed in the lower right on all-black background), but without the dead pixels, so it looks like a keeper. Though I'm not that big a fan of 16:9, the 1920x1080 resolution is a good step up from 1680x1050 and is a great display for your xbox/ps3 and Wii as well.

One random note: it doesn't play that well with my 4.5 year-old iMac. Even with DVI, I'm getting very noticeable pinstriping on certain solid colors and diagonal pinstriping that moves on certain shades of gray, something almost like you'd see on a noisy VGA connection. At first I thought the LCD was bad, but I hooked it up to an old MacBook with a generic Intel GMA 950 (!) and it looked perfect. At this point it's probably just the ATI GPU in the iMac showing its age.

Anyway, for $214 shipped, the u2211h is a great entry-level IPS panel when you can find it refurbed on the Outlet.
 
Wendig0 said:
I don't have a calibration tool like the Spyder, so I just use the images from lagom to adjust the monitor.

My settings so far are:
Custom RGB (R- 99, G- 95, B- 98)
Sharpness at 50 (45 would be the sweet spot but it only goes in increments of 10)
Brightness at 47 (could change if I get eyestrain)
Contrast at 74

This is the first LCD I've used that doesn't required any color adjustment through my video card's drivers!
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I don't know what I was thinking; 47 brightness is too high... I'm sitting at around 35 right now too see how I like it.
 
Man that price is delicious for a refurb one. I keep reading people griping about Dell's QC.

With that said....what is the QC for like for their refurb department? Sounded like you had a good experience. Anyone else have experienec with their refurb equipment?


wah said:
So a few pages back I promised to post my thoughts on the refurb u2211h I got from the Dell Outlet. After a week or so, I have to say this monitor lives up to expectations. On a full black background, the purple backlight bleed is visible in the lower right corner, but it's not noticeable otherwise. Can't say I notice any tint issues (I'm coming from an old 17" iMac and 5-year-old-but-venerable Samsung 172x TN panel, for what it's worth). There's a bit of a contrast shift when looking down on the monitor from a high angle, but the colors hold and there's no inversion (shadows becoming bright), so I'm happy. Also, I have the monitor as low as it can go vertically, so I'm sure that exaggerates it a bit.

The first panel I got was in perfect condition cosmetically, but had a few dead pixels. Customer Service had a new (refurb) monitor at my door <24 hours after getting off the phone with them. This one seems pretty much identical (i.e. some backlight bleed in the lower right on all-black background), but without the dead pixels, so it looks like a keeper. Though I'm not that big a fan of 16:9, the 1920x1080 resolution is a good step up from 1680x1050 and is a great display for your xbox/ps3 and Wii as well.

One random note: it doesn't play that well with my 4.5 year-old iMac. Even with DVI, I'm getting very noticeable pinstriping on certain solid colors and diagonal pinstriping that moves on certain shades of gray, something almost like you'd see on a noisy VGA connection. At first I thought the LCD was bad, but I hooked it up to an old MacBook with a generic Intel GMA 950 (!) and it looked perfect. At this point it's probably just the ATI GPU in the iMac showing its age.

Anyway, for $214 shipped, the u2211h is a great entry-level IPS panel when you can find it refurbed on the Outlet.
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lianregnif said:
Man that price is delicious for a refurb one. I keep reading people griping about Dell's QC.

With that said....what is the QC for like for their refurb department? Sounded like you had a good experience. Anyone else have experienec with their refurb equipment?
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With both of the panels I got, they looked like new. You get the same 3-year no-dead-pixel warranty as if you got it new, and get to talk to the same customer service people. So for me it was a no-brainer.

As for QC, I don't doubt that tint issues and the like are really out there. Of course, as for how widespread the QC problems are, I can't say. Save for the dead pixels on the first monitor, the colors looked fine on both of the panels I've encountered. It's probably worth mentioning again, though, that I'm coming from a crummy 17" iMac display and a decent-but-still-TN Samsung, so my eyes really don't have that much experience looking at quality monitors. It's possible that one of the other members here, who is coming from a better display, might be able to see flaws in my panel that I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. That said, to my eyes, it looks great, and well worth the price.
 
This convinced me. On the look out for a refurb'ed one. Thanks!

wah said:
With both of the panels I got, they looked like new. You get the same 3-year no-dead-pixel warranty as if you got it new, and get to talk to the same customer service people. So for me it was a no-brainer.

As for QC, I don't doubt that tint issues and the like are really out there. Of course, as for how widespread the QC problems are, I can't say. Save for the dead pixels on the first monitor, the colors looked fine on both of the panels I've encountered. It's probably worth mentioning again, though, that I'm coming from a crummy 17" iMac display and a decent-but-still-TN Samsung, so my eyes really don't have that much experience looking at quality monitors. It's possible that one of the other members here, who is coming from a better display, might be able to see flaws in my panel that I wouldn't have noticed otherwise. That said, to my eyes, it looks great, and well worth the price.
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Nice post... interesting !
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lianregnif said:
I'm very envious of the people that got it for $239. It seems like Dell stopped the coupon and the price is up to $289 after a $30 instant rebate. Am I missing something?
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Nope, just wait a month or two... that seems to be the intervals at which they release the coupon again.
 
I posted earlier about the eyestrain and headache problems I had been having with this monitor. After two days of not using it, I was headache free. But, tonight after using it for two or three hours playing Starcraft with a friend, my headache came back just as bad as before.

Is there a possibility that there could be something wrong with the monitor? Such as the backlight having excessive flicker that I can't actually notice, but is enough to wreak havoc on my eyes and brain? Any other possibilities?

It's obvious now that it's the monitor causing my problems and I won't be able to use it. I'm wondering if it's worth trying to exchange it for another one to see if that one will work for me. If there's really no chance of that, I guess I'll just have to return it and eat the restocking fee.

I really like the monitor and how it looks, so it really sucks having these problems with it. Even with brightness and contrast settings that make it look less bright comparatively with my 2007WFP, the headache came back quickly. I tried a few different lighting situations, such as full overhead lights, back lights, side lights, 'daylight' light bulbs, 6500k lighting, etc.

I don't have these problems at work or school, where I'm using many different types of monitors.
 
raygun said:
I posted earlier about the eyestrain and headache problems I had been having with this monitor. After two days of not using it, I was headache free. But, tonight after using it for two or three hours playing Starcraft with a friend, my headache came back just as bad as before.

Is there a possibility that there could be something wrong with the monitor? Such as the backlight having excessive flicker that I can't actually notice, but is enough to wreak havoc on my eyes and brain? Any other possibilities?

It's obvious now that it's the monitor causing my problems and I won't be able to use it. I'm wondering if it's worth trying to exchange it for another one to see if that one will work for me. If there's really no chance of that, I guess I'll just have to return it and eat the restocking fee.

I really like the monitor and how it looks, so it really sucks having these problems with it. Even with brightness and contrast settings that make it look less bright comparatively with my 2007WFP, the headache came back quickly. I tried a few different lighting situations, such as full overhead lights, back lights, side lights, 'daylight' light bulbs, 6500k lighting, etc.

I don't have these problems at work or school, where I'm using many different types of monitors.
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Maybe it has some subtle ghosting or something, but i sort of doubt it. I get intense headaches if i spend all day at the computer... like from the moment i wake up pretty much until night.
 
Can't say I've had headaches while using mine, although I've never really had monitor induced headaches so I can't really confirm much. I could spend days on this thing and feel fine, it's amazing how I still have my 20/15 vision. :p
 
raygun said:
I posted earlier about the eyestrain and headache problems I had been having with this monitor. After two days of not using it, I was headache free. But, tonight after using it for two or three hours playing Starcraft with a friend, my headache came back just as bad as before.
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Might as well give some of these a shot first (may not help but no harm in trying) -

Set sharpness to 40 or 50
Brightness 20-40
Contrast 70-80
Mode - RGB/PC/Graphics
Preset - Custom RGB

And readjust cleartype
 
0055 said:
Nope, just wait a month or two... that seems to be the intervals at which they release the coupon again.
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Reading the good experiences people have with this monitor I couldn't wait any longer. I coughed up the $50 and bought it.
 
returned my second NEC 23" IPS EA231WMi , not because the screen is bad ... cuase it actuality just kicks ass . . . but i still cant stand the blurring in games . . . let me try the dell version I just ordered which is suppose to push up to 8ms , damn dell and nec just redesign the 20wmgx2 at 27 inches and all of us will shut out traps i promise :D
 
Days of deals is back: It's 239 again.

edit: forgot to mention that this is for dell.ca
 
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It looks like it's up on Dell Canada's site only. Anyone ever have luck with calling in to get Dell US to price match Canada's pricing?

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the_real_7 said:
returned my second NEC 23" IPS EA231WMi , not because the screen is bad ... cuase it actuality just kicks ass . . . but i still cant stand the blurring in games . . . let me try the dell version I just ordered which is suppose to push up to 8ms , damn dell and nec just redesign the 20wmgx2 at 27 inches and all of us will shut out traps i promise :D
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I'd be interested to know your results. I recently purchased the NEC and while it looks fantastic I've noticed a little blurring in games that bothers me as well. I'm actually coming from a CRT so I'm not sure if I'll be able to tolerate any LCD, but if you notice an improvement when moving to the Dell I might have to exchange for one.
 
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Just got two of these monitors for my new build. Backlight bleeding looks minimal, and I am quite frankly to amaturish to spot the other things you guys go on about :p

I HAVE noticed (actually been surprised really) at how radically different they look with the exact same settings. By that I mean given identical OSD Menu options everything from white level to color saturation is pretty strikingly different. This is surprising to me because its the same panel, how much of a difference could there be? Apparently a lot. I dont have proffessional calibration tools so I guess Ill just randomly pick on and make the other look like it. Then wonder if I made the right call, redo it, and repeat for a long time. Fun times ahead!
 
ok, i just got my advanced replacement found something weird...

at the same exact factory default settings, my replacement monitor looks a lot brighter and more crisp, whites are whiter and blacks are blacker

anyone have multiple u2311h's? are they all different from each other? mine are both rev a00 too, this is weird

as for tinting, yup, still there, i'm oging to keep the replacement though, the picture is just too nice on this panel
 
I'd be interested to know your results. I recently purchased the NEC and while it looks fantastic I've noticed a little blurring in games that bothers me as well. I'm actually coming from a CRT so I'm not sure if I'll be able to tolerate any LCD, but if you notice an improvement when moving to the Dell I might have to exchange for one.
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definitely let you know . . . if dell ever ships this things out but yes I notice the blurring alot . . . im really sensitive to it and that say alot coming from a 5 year old lcd , the overdrive in my monitor works well . . . hopefully so does dells
 
Instead of returning my 2nd one, I decided to exchange it again. Just got it today, so I haven't had much time to carefully inspect it yet.. but it has practically zero tint issues! There is some minor tint if you look very carefully, but it's not noticeable during normal use. On the downside, it's a refurbished unit with a few scratches on the bezel, but I'm really glad I got a one that doesn't make everything look like a gradient.

So in summary, 1st unit had dead pixels and tint issues, 2nd had tint issues, and 3rd one looks fantastic. It's a real shame about these QC issues. I would get a second one, but I don't want to throw the dice again. Anyways, great monitor, especially for the price.
 
So in my review on the previous page, I noted what I thought was a display quirk specific to my old iMac:

wah said:
One random note: it doesn't play that well with my 4.5 year-old iMac. Even with DVI, I'm getting very noticeable pinstriping on certain solid colors and diagonal pinstriping that moves on certain shades of gray, something almost like you'd see on a noisy VGA connection. At first I thought the LCD was bad, but I hooked it up to an old MacBook with a generic Intel GMA 950 (!) and it looked perfect. At this point it's probably just the ATI GPU in the iMac showing its age.
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Well, I've now got the Dell hooked up to a brand new 2010 Mac Mini and, guess what, the same pinstriping problem exists! Thankfully there's none of the diagonal/moving bands on grayscale colors, but the horizontal pinstriping is still there for certain colors. I tried both monitor ports, different dvi/hdmi cables... no good. I've got my fingers crossed that the DisplayPort cable on the way will fix this; I'll be sure to chime in with the results of that.

What's weird is that this problem doesn't show up on Windows 7 (got Boot Camp running). One would then think it's a driver problem, but there's no pinstriping at all on my secondary monitor (the Samsung 172x mentioned earlier), even in OS X. And of course, everything's fine if I drive the Dell with my GMA 950 MacBook. So my guess is that there's something weird going on with the Dell+ATI/nVidia OS X driver that's producing this problem.

As with the iMac, the specific colors that trigger the pinstriping change with each contrast adjustment step I make from the monitor's HUD. Any ideas as to what is going on?
 
DarkWarrior said:
Instead of returning my 2nd one, I decided to exchange it again. Just got it today, so I haven't had much time to carefully inspect it yet.. but it has practically zero tint issues! There is some minor tint if you look very carefully, but it's not noticeable during normal use. On the downside, it's a refurbished unit with a few scratches on the bezel, but I'm really glad I got a one that doesn't make everything look like a gradient.

So in summary, 1st unit had dead pixels and tint issues, 2nd had tint issues, and 3rd one looks fantastic. It's a real shame about these QC issues. I would get a second one, but I don't want to throw the dice again. Anyways, great monitor, especially for the price.
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rev a00 or rev a01?

my repalcement panel looks a lot better than my original, but the tint issue is still there
 
koven said:
rev a00 or rev a01?

my repalcement panel looks a lot better than my original, but the tint issue is still there
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All the ones I've gotten are rev a00. I don't think there's a rev a01 out yet, though I could be wrong.
 
wah said:
So in my review on the previous page, I noted what I thought was a display quirk specific to my old iMac:



Well, I've now got the Dell hooked up to a brand new 2010 Mac Mini and, guess what, the same pinstriping problem exists! Thankfully there's none of the diagonal/moving bands on grayscale colors, but the horizontal pinstriping is still there for certain colors. I tried both monitor ports, different dvi/hdmi cables... no good. I've got my fingers crossed that the DisplayPort cable on the way will fix this; I'll be sure to chime in with the results of that.

What's weird is that this problem doesn't show up on Windows 7 (got Boot Camp running). One would then think it's a driver problem, but there's no pinstriping at all on my secondary monitor (the Samsung 172x mentioned earlier), even in OS X. And of course, everything's fine if I drive the Dell with my GMA 950 MacBook. So my guess is that there's something weird going on with the Dell+ATI/nVidia OS X driver that's producing this problem.

As with the iMac, the specific colors that trigger the pinstriping change with each contrast adjustment step I make from the monitor's HUD. Any ideas as to what is going on?
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Wah, I have the same issue on my Macbook Pro. I can make it go away sometimes by changing the contrast/brightness, but of course it depends on what the color is. Calibrating it also helped a little, but I'm not using hardware assisted calibration so it's not perfect (just used the one from tftcentral). But I'm not sure if it is due to OS X or not... I'll boot into bootcamp (Windows 7) tonight and see if I can find any pinstriping there.

Edit - Nevermind, I didn't the entirety of your post, hah. Definitely sounds like a driver issue. What versions of OS X have you tested?
 
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