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Dell U2311H

kryptokatalyst said:
If you bought it from Dell, I'd take advantage of the advance replacement. The first 3 I had suffered from similar bleed problems, but the 3 replacements we're extremely good with only 1 of the 3 have a very slight amount of bleed in the upper left. So little that you had to look for it.
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Well, see, I decided to be "smart" and bought it from eBay (new/sealed) because I was sure Dell would charge me a restocking fee if I wanted a refund. But it sounds like I was wrong. Luckily for me, someone decided to bid.
 
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ElektroDragon said:
Well, see, I decided to be "smart" and bought it from eBay (new/sealed) because I was sure Dell would charge me a restocking fee if I wanted a refund. But it sounds like I was wrong. If it doesn't sell, I might try to exchange through my original seller. (My in depth review is on page 34 if anyone is tuning in late)
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It's a good review too, thanks btw.

Did you play around with the settings on the u2311h at all? I'm curious what your thoughts are on the settings from FlatpanelsHD...
 
kryptokatalyst said:
It's a good review too, thanks btw.

Did you play around with the settings on the u2311h at all? I'm curious what your thoughts are on the settings from FlatpanelsHD...
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I tried to the get the Dell to look most similar color-wise to what looked good to me on the NEC (which happens to be Native mode, 70% brightness, default 50% contrast). That happened to be the RGB all 100% mode (with 70% brightness, default 75% contrast). I flipped through all the other preset modes, but did not like any of them. I also tried the FlatpanelsHD settings for my NEC, but I didn't like them, so I didn't bother with the Dell settings.

I've now tried those settings on the Dell. All I had to do compared to the review settings is drop the brightness and mess with the color balance numbers a bit.

Result: Like on the NEC, the screen is too dim for me. The color accuracy seems slightly improved and colors are a tad richer (might be the brightness perception though). However, the loss of shadow detail is still as strong as ever.
 
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70 is a really high setting for brightness on the Dell. Mine is sitting at 35 with similar RGB settings to the FlatPanels profile.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
70 is a really high setting for brightness on the Dell. Mine is sitting at 35 with similar RGB settings to the FlatPanels profile.
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I would agree that it is a bit bright at night. But during the day, I have natural light in the room with the monitors. No glare or direct sunlight, but the low brightness settings make everything dim and drab. I really think this is subjective

By the way, I tried a new monitor test, and there is definitely a big difference in the factory gamma of these monitors. The NEC seems closer to the accepted 2.2 standard, while the Dell almost seems closer to 2.3, which could explain all my loss of shadow detail on the Dell, and the posterization. Like I said, no monitor settings help this. The only thing that helps is changing the contrast setting in software on my ATI card in CCC. But in order to gain back the lost shadow detail/brightness on the Dell, I need to set ATI's contrast from default 100 to 150! Which of course clips all the white detail to the point of unviewability.
 
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ElektroDragon said:
I just added a section on Gradients.
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Sounds like you got a partial dud maybe. I've seen zero banding and no discernable black crush (your shadow problem). The backlight bleed on yours also looks much more pronounced. Nice review though, NEC seems to have better QC.

Now If I can get my GF to bring home the camera, I will try to get some pics up too.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
Sounds like you got a partial dud maybe. I've seen zero banding and no discernable black crush (your shadow problem).
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Maybe, but I don't think so. I don't know if banding is the right word. There is really only ONE faint band. One edge is at the slightly too abrupt transition between light gray and dark gray. The other is at the slightly too abrupt transition between dark gray and black. I don't see this on the NEC.

On the other hand, I just noticed that in some cases, the NEC loses some detail in very bright conditions which were still visible on the Dell. This is pretty rare. Out of hundreds of photos, only one had this condition, wheras dozense showed the shadow issue. It is clearly a factory gamma issue. The Dell has a darker gamma. Since shadow detail is much more common than overblown white detail, the edge is still with the NEC.
 
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SkiesOfAzel said:
I would avoid this monitor if i were you. I got one made in June a week ago and it had very bad Colour and backlight uniformity as well as banding ?!?! The monitor also turns itself off randomly when connected through dsub (with my laptop). I got it replaced and the new one is even worse with awful backlight bleeding and a dead pixel along with an even worse colour uniformity. I also have a nec ea231wmi which uses the same panel but shows no banding whatsoever, behaves as expected through vga and has a more uniform colour reproduction. So if you are between those 2 monitors DO NOT get the dell.
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Anyone have the problem with the display randomly shutting off? I am also getting this problem. Lucky me. I guess I get to call Dell on Monday and ask for a replacement. But I'm leaning heavily towards just returning it and getting the NEC. Thoughts?
 
fobis said:
Anyone have the problem with the display randomly shutting off? I am also getting this problem. Lucky me. I guess I get to call Dell on Monday and ask for a replacement. But I'm leaning heavily towards just returning it and getting the NEC. Thoughts?
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I did not have the shutoff problem over VGA with the Dell, however, I only tested on VGA for a few hours.. If you can deal with thicker AG coat, definitely get the NEC. It certainly does not have the VGA shutoff issue. You also get all the benefits from my review a page back. Thanks for reminding me of the message you quoted. Seems I'm not the only one who discovered banding on Dell but not NEC!

I will probably try Dell again once they come out with an LED version or something with an IPS panel, if only for the awesomely light AG. I'm one of those glossy fanatics, so adjusting to this NEC was tough, but worth it. It's still not as bad as last year's H-IPS panel AG coats.
 
I don't see why matte on a laptop is perfectly fine, but so many manufacturers totally ruin desktop displays with the coatings.
 
ElektroDragon said:
I did not have the shutoff problem over VGA with the Dell, however, I only tested on VGA for a few hours.. If you can deal with thicker AG coat, definitely get the NEC. It certainly does not have the VGA shutoff issue. You also get all the benefits from my review a page back. Thanks for reminding me of the message you quoted. Seems I'm not the only one who discovered banding on Dell but not NEC!

I will probably try Dell again once they come out with an LED version or something with an IPS panel, if only for the awesomely light AG. I'm one of those glossy fanatics, so adjusting to this NEC was tough, but worth it. It's still not as bad as last year's H-IPS panel AG coats.
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Just to clarify, my display was also shutting off when connected DVI as well as VGA. :(
 
Guys, this is REALLY WEIRD. When I powered on the Dell tonight after it was off for a few hours, the backlight bleed COMPLETELY VANISHED. However, as the panel warmed up, the backlight bleed slowly began to re-appear in the same spots. NEC stayed consistent throughout. Has anyone ever heard of something like this?!? Backlight bleed due to panel temperature? This would explain why I did not see the Dell backlight bleed at first, but then it I saw it, and photographed it quite well.
 
Well a backlight unit does take time to warm up so that's very possible. It wouldn't reach it's maximum luminance until it's been turned on for a little while. Sounds like at lower brightness the bleed is less obvious. You may find turning down the brightness control in the OSD simulates the same thing
 
I am adding another section to my review, because I managed to get the NEC to do 75Hz at 1920x1080 over DVI. This is a big plus for gaming, though people say the Dell can be forced to do the same.
 
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ElektroDragon said:
I am adding another section to my review, because I managed to get the NEC to do 75Hz at 1920x1080 over DVI. This is a big plus for gaming, though people say the Dell can be forced to do the same.
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I Also have a NEC 23" IPS EA231WMi and 5870 do post the information on how to do 75 Hz over DVI (even tho its in the wrong forums)
 
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Hi guys, new u2311 owners here too, any ideas on how to force the display on 75hz?
 
Another question, why cant I choose to not scale with this monitor, it always reverts back to the "use my display's built-in scaling"
Any solutions? Nvidia vga
 
I've got a question:

Is it possible to use this adapter from monoprice to run an hdmi signal from a 360 into the display port on the U2311H? I understand that I'd lose audio. I'd like to get this monitor for my 360 and Mac Mini and I'd prefer not to run my Mac thru VGA.
 
Zuriick said:
I've got a question:

Is it possible to use this adapter from monoprice to run an hdmi signal from a 360 into the display port on the U2311H? I understand that I'd lose audio. I'd like to get this monitor for my 360 and Mac Mini and I'd prefer not to run my Mac thru VGA.
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Uhhhh... I don't think that would work... for the same reason that you can't just use a simple adapter like that to hook up a DVI video card to a monitor that only has DisplayPort (like the ACD). I think you'd need a $150+ signal converting box. The reason that adapter is $6 is likely because it is utterly useless except in a specialized application. But, I could be wrong.
 
ElektroDragon said:
Uhhhh... I don't think that would work... for the same reason that you can't just use a simple adapter like that to hook up a DVI video card to a monitor that only has DisplayPort (like the ACD). I think you'd need a $150+ signal converting box. The reason that adapter is $6 is likely because it is utterly useless except in a specialized application. But, I could be wrong.
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Alright, thanks for the input.
 
Zuriick said:
I've got a question:

Is it possible to use this adapter from monoprice to run an hdmi signal from a 360 into the display port on the U2311H? I understand that I'd lose audio. I'd like to get this monitor for my 360 and Mac Mini and I'd prefer not to run my Mac thru VGA.
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ElektroDragon's right: you'd need a powered (i.e. expensive) adapter to convert hdmi to displayport. For what it's worth, there's a huge thread over at MacRumors where people have been trying out these kinds of converters to hook up 360's to their iMacs.

What type of output does your mini have? If it's dvi/mini-dvi and if you don't want to invest in a switcher, you can stick a cheap hdmi converter on the Mini and use an hdmi cable to hook up the monitor (with either another DVI converter or just a DVI connector on the Dell's end; monoprice sells both types of cables). That way when you want to play the 360, you can disconnect the hdmi cable without continually stressing the output on the Mini itself.

Btw, long-time lurker, first-time poster. You folks have been an invaluable source of information regarding these e-ips monitors over the past year: thanks for all your efforts :cool:. At long last I ordered a u2211h ($199 refurb at Dell outlet), so I'm pretty excited. I'm not an lcd expert by any means, but I'll be sure to chime in with my impressions once it gets delivered next week.
 
wah said:
ElektroDragon's right: you'd need a powered (i.e. expensive) adapter to convert hdmi to displayport. For what it's worth, there's a huge thread over at MacRumors where people have been trying out these kinds of converters to hook up 360's to their iMacs.

What type of output does your mini have? If it's dvi/mini-dvi and if you don't want to invest in a switcher, you can stick a cheap hdmi converter on the Mini and use an hdmi cable to hook up the monitor (with either another DVI converter or just a DVI connector on the Dell's end; monoprice sells both types of cables). That way when you want to play the 360, you can disconnect the hdmi cable without continually stressing the output on the Mini itself.

Btw, long-time lurker, first-time poster. You folks have been an invaluable source of information regarding these e-ips monitors over the past year: thanks for all your efforts :cool:. At long last I ordered a u2211h ($199 refurb at Dell outlet), so I'm pretty excited. I'm not an lcd expert by any means, but I'll be sure to chime in with my impressions once it gets delivered next week.
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I have the latest Mac Mini with an HDMI output and a Mini Display Port. I guess I could run the mini display port from the mini to the monitor then get a HDMI>DVI converter for the monitor and then deal with the audio separately. With the hdmi>dvi connection, would it mess with the resolution?
 
Zuriick said:
I have the latest Mac Mini with an HDMI output and a Mini Display Port. I guess I could run the mini display port from the mini to the monitor then get a HDMI>DVI converter for the monitor and then deal with the audio separately. With the hdmi>dvi connection, would it mess with the resolution?
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Yeah, using Mini Display Port for the Mac would be optimal, then you can just save the DVI port for the 360. HDMI is just DVI+audio, so it 'just works' (I have an identical setup with my 360 and an old Samsung DVI monitor). For audio, you can get a cheap audio adapter from various websites (I got the official microsoft hdmi kit from a cheap reseller on Amazon, which includes the audio adapter). The adapter gives you the option of optical out or analog RCA, which you can then use with whatever 50-cent adapters to get the type of audio plug you need.

One thing I am unsure of, however, is if the hdmi->dvi conversion will keep the HDCP/copy-protection signal, but that's only a problem if you use Netflix (and Zune video maybe?). I recall there being HDCP-compliant monitors with just DVI inputs, so it should probably be ok.
 
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I just bought one of these and in the first week I finally noticed a hot pixel in the upper middle right of the screen.

what do i do?
 
I believe you can keep your current one while they ship the new one out to you, so you won't be without a monitor.
 
Ok thank you very much for responding so fast guys. It's a bright sub-pixel. I found three all on the right side of the monitor. One upper right and two lower middle right. Rather annoying on a black screen. I take it I just call them and they'll send out the new one and a return shipping label?
 
^ No. Someone comes to your house, picks up the monitors, and hands you the new ones at the same time.

At least, that's what happened with me.
 
Lol...not from what I hear.


Just got off the phone with Pavi from Dell. They've really improved CS since I last called them years ago. I just said it had bright sub-pixels and they whisked me through the exchange process and it should be here in 3-4 business days. Bravo, Dell. Now to see if they hold to their word.
 
Volucris said:
Lol...not from what I hear.


Just got off the phone with Pavi from Dell. They've really improved CS since I last called them years ago. I just said it had bright sub-pixels and they whisked me through the exchange process and it should be here in 3-4 business days. Bravo, Dell. Now to see if they hold to their word.
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They might only do that in the UK/Europe. I'm in the UK and a Dell guy drove to my house in a van to collect the monitors. :p
 
Zuriick said:
ElektroDragon said:
Uhhhh... I don't think that would work... for the same reason that you can't just use a simple adapter like that to hook up a DVI video card to a monitor that only has DisplayPort (like the ACD). I think you'd need a $150+ signal converting box. The reason that adapter is $6 is likely because it is utterly useless except in a specialized application. But, I could be wrong.
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Alright, thanks for the input.
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hahaha get it? input? get it get it?
 
LC155 said:
They might only do that in the UK/Europe. I'm in the UK and a Dell guy drove to my house in a van to collect the monitors. :p
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Oh. Well the country I'm in lets their citizens have guns so we use Fed Ex instead.:p
 
Just a quick update after a few weeks.

I have noticed some slight backlight bleed in the lower right corner, but during normal use it isn't really noticeable. I do notice a bit of the purple IPS glow when viewed from significantly off-axis, but again, nothing that's bothersome during everyday use.

FPS gaming (TF2) is excellent - I have no issues with input lag or ghosting.

The colors continue to blow me away - the richness and subtle gradients make this monitor a pleasure to work on, and have ruined my work monitor for me (relatively low quality TN). At first I was going to hardware calibrate, but after a few weeks, I'm not sure I want/need to. I've had several non-color-corrected prints made from SmugMug, and the initial tweaks I made just by myself seem pretty darn good.

Overall still loving this monitor.
 
These are back on sale again... $239 after coupon + free shipping + tax.

Not sure what the rules are for posting stuff like this, but I am sure you can find this quickly yourselves
 
YES I posted it on the hot deals forum. I just ordered 3 but I am still a long way from finishing up my rig but at that price Ill just hold on to them till I am ready.
 
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