Cyberpunk 2077

[SecretStash]

Fair enough, my oldest loves that hide and seek stuff

 

[Dan_D]

I prefer more straight forward encounters myself. I don't generally like stealth missions.

 

[SecretStash]

Well, there is stealth where being the hunter is an option and then there is helpless hide and seek.

 

[Dan_D]

Well, there is stealth where being the hunter is an option and then there is helpless hide and seek.

The latter of the two I fucking hate. It's why I didn't care much for Alien Isolation and find the mere concept of the Amnesia: Dark Descent offensive.

 

[the_sextein]

The latter of the two I fucking hate. It's why I didn't care much for Alien Isolation and find the mere concept of the Amnesia: Dark Descent offensive.

I'm not a big fan either. During Phantom Liberty there was the Alien Isolation bit of gameplay if you sided with Reed and it was fine as a short break from the normal gameplay but I don't like playing full games that are like that. Resident Evil balanced the action and run for your life moments and that is about as much of that as I can take. If the whole game is running and hiding while trying to solve puzzles, it's not for me.
I'm a big fan of games like Hitman where you are the hunter but I also like Chaos Theory from the Splinter Cell series where you don't need to hunt or run in fear. I feel like Cyberpunk 2077 has a lot of options for that style of gameplay if you want to play it that way. It's one of the reasons I like it so much.

 

[M76]

I'm not a big fan either. During Phantom Liberty there was the Alien Isolation bit of gameplay if you sided with Reed and it was fine as a short break from the normal gameplay but I don't like playing full games that are like that. Resident Evil balanced the action and run for your life moments and that is about as much of that as I can take. If the whole game is running and hiding while trying to solve puzzles, it's not for me.
I'm a big fan of games like Hitman where you are the hunter but I also like Chaos Theory from the Splinter Cell series where you don't need to hunt or run in fear. I feel like Cyberpunk 2077 has a lot of options for that style of gameplay if you want to play it that way. It's one of the reasons I like it so much.

I loved Alien Isolation, but could never get into resident evil. I despise being resource constrained all the time. In Resident Evil when you pass a section, you don't enjoy it "Oh woo, I'm glad that's over with" Instead you start pondering whether you could've done that part using less resources. Even saving uses resources so you feel guilty for saving the game too often. It's a game that is never fun. And then I didn't even mention the constant backtracking and trying to think where is the thing you didn't have the key for but now you do.

Stealth is fun when done well, and it is done well in Cyberpunk. It becomes unfun when it is forced and always results in a game over when you are detected. I start almost every mission in stealth, and if I'm detected, well I throw the gauntlet at them. It's good to mix things up. That's the best part of immersive sims, that everything goes.

I've found an universal truth: Good games become more tense and fun on higher difficulty, while bad games become more frustrating on higher difficulty.

 

[the_sextein]

Understandable, I only like the first two Resident Evil games, that was probably because of the time period they were released and where gameplay had evolved up to that point. Resident Evil was the first survival horror game I had ever played so it left a decent impression. I do find Cyberpunk is too easy. I have used a ton of mods that make the game almost impossible but it's still easy if you understand the stealth mechanics because you can one shot knock out anyone if you sneak up behind them and you can distract them anywhere at anytime with your hacking ability. Still, it's a fun game and I'm glad it's open enough to allow multiple approaches to each mission. Once you gain the ability to system reset multiple people at a time through mind hacks, it becomes a cake walk and you are way OP by the end even if you cut the experience in half with an XP reducer.

I've tried hardcore22 mod combined with enemies of night city with an XP reducer at 50%. I've added weapon degradation that requires manual fixing, I've implemented level scaling like the original release of the game had. I've increased the stealth detection to near impossible levels and I've still beaten the game without killing a single character.

Many mods like Night city alive combined with the traffic overhaul and "They Will Remember" can be punishing for action players but they don't really matter if you are stealth because nobody is mad at you or even suspects that you are their enemy. Enemies of night city would be the most notable mod for difficulty if you use the last beta version rather than the test version. This is because it makes some characters immune to knock outs and it creates boss fights out of certain crime syndicate operations. These bosses require creative use of distractions, hacks, and aerial attacks in order to knock them out.

I've used a number of mods that make the game more difficult economically, like "economy punked". I have a mod that will allow a single bullet to destroy any cyberware that you have based on where the bullet hit you. This can cause your cyberware costs to skyrocket and nerf you hard in the middle of combat but if you are stealth they shouldn't even know you are there. I've got a mod that charges you monthly rent. I have a mod that gives you cyberpsychosis if you push yourself too hard. I'm using Dark Future which forces you to eat, drink and sleep ect. I've got about 450 mods installed and it's great but it's really hard to challenge someone who has mastered stealth. What I really want is a mod that adds more enemies with more complex perimeter and more drones that are set up in ways that make infiltration more difficult.

Much better netrunning is a favorite of mine. It forces you to breach enemies and bring down their ice before you can hack them. You have to get into difficult spots to access breach points before you can bring down the enemy ice. Otherwise you can't even hack gadgets to distract them. Each enemy group has their own netrunner and they will break through your protections and obliterate you if you are not careful. That is is pretty fun for me. "They Will Remember can be combined with "Call reinforcements" which will allow enemies to notice if some of them have disappeared and call for backup. This forces you to take them all down in a quick timestamp if you want to avoid backup being called which will complicate things more.