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Creative versus Daniel_K

I second the newegg boycott as shenanigans. I just check their site and there's no indication of them getting pulled.
 
O.K. creative sux. I get it however, who the &^%$ make's a good sound card that has cool features like eax and stuff for my games? I'm a dummy when it comes to sound stuff.

To add, what jackasses to get caught with their pants down like that. Disabling their cards and card features on purpose. What greedy assholes.

This whole situation is sad.
 
Monkey_feces said:
I second the newegg boycott as shenanigans. I just check their site and there's no indication of them getting pulled.
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Yea it has to be, fake and it so close to April fools. Because it be silly if newegg does that any way. People would just go and get it some esle . for those that really want the card and dont care whats happening or dont read forums,etc.
 
Ironic thing is everyone and their brother now has heard of, and probably wants to try out, these forbidden drivers. me included! What exactly do they add if i have a x-fi and use vista?
 
Creative is a fucking joke anymore. Too bad there isn't anyone else out there who can offer up a sound card that would just annihilate the X-Fi. But oh noes, that can't happen. Creative will play the patent-infringement card then. Bunch of monopolistic sons of bitches they are.

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What pisses me off even more is they are too busy paying for this bullshit
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when they should be pouring their $$$ into driver support.

I feel for X-Fi owners and Vista users alike, I had the same amount of problems so I just gave up on the OS and stuck with XP x64.
 
Daniel's drivers are great. My audigy under vista 64x works way better and has some features that I missed.
 
my view of this is they should hire this guy he obviously knows their tech and can help their driver teams make useful drivers not useless ones ...
 
maxius said:
my view of this is they should hire this guy he obviously knows their tech and can help their driver teams make useful drivers not useless ones ...
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Listen, Creative knows how to make the drivers. This guy is just rehashing their drivers, he isn't making them. Creative by decision, is not supporting old soundcards in a new OS. It happens. They didn't give a shit about him taking their drivers and repackaging them until he asked for money from people for doing it.
 
Met-AL said:
Listen, Creative knows how to make the drivers. This guy is just rehashing their drivers, he isn't making them. Creative by decision, is not supporting old soundcards in a new OS. It happens. They didn't give a shit about him taking their drivers and repackaging them until he asked for money from people for doing it.
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regardless they should give him a shot cause he is doing something they are failing to do. creative owners should be able to use their cards on vista with out problems. i don't care if its old their is no justification for not supporting their customer base. what if m$ or any other company did that drop support for an old product cause they have a new one out their would be blood in the streets... oh im sorry your 8800gtx that you got last month is now unsupported since the 9800gtx is out ... yeah get real people
 
There IS blood in the streets. I used to sell tons of Creative sound cards. Now I sell literally none. The on-board Realtek cards have BETTER drivers than Creative in many cases. This is sad.

I had an Audigy 4 OEM... the last of the great cards. It gave me low grade problems in Vista for many months. Finally I just said screw it and started using the on-board. It's great now. Even on my high end speaker system I have to listen very close to hear a difference.

They are eliminating their own market when they should be carving a new one. Creative will die over the next couple of years if they don't do a 180 very soon.

The best thing they have done in years was to license the X-fi chip to Auzentech for their Prelude card. The drivers and functionality of that thing are better than Creative's by a mile. The disappointing part is that the card is $200 and still has a few issues. You'd think for that price you would be in sound card nirvana... but I'd bet the farm that Creative has proven *ahem* less than helpful with their driver battle.
 
I think the Newegg post is legit.

First, it says they will suspend sales of affected Creative products tomorrow, as in Monday, Newegg's offices don't open until 8am pst so lets wait and see.

Second, the registered email address of the Newegg poster is webmaster@newegg.com, and Creative's forum requires email confirmation and activation to register and post. Could someone outside the company have access to this address?

Personally, I'm delighted. Even though my X-FI works well in Vista and sounds decent now that I replaced the crappy stock opamp (got it for $40 used, would never pay retail), Creative had this coming for a long time. Their whole soundcard business has been built on suing smaller companies with better tech into the ground and buying their assets for bargain prices after bankruptcy, and in the process maintaining their monopoly of the PC enthusiast market and bullying developers into exclusively supporting their APIs. My old Vortex and Soundtorm among others, both better than Audigy, were killed off by Creative with malicious lawsuits. Now we find out they intentionally cripple their Audigy series Vista drivers to disable key features which work just fine in XP and are listed all over the shiny box and their website, in an effort to force obsolescence and make their loyal customers buy X-FIs, all while telling people that the features don't work due to incompatibility issues with Vista. That my friends, is called fraud. If Creative manages to survive this mess, you can bet there will be a class-action lawsuit coming.

Creative, good luck suing Asus like all your previous competitors, you will get bitchslapped. Gonna need to sell more than your building to see them.

Rot in hell.
 
WOW, just WOW. I was here earlier today, did sign the petition, did go to creative forum and there were I think 5 pages on the Daniel topic. This thing has spread like wildfire.

Should Daniel have asked for donations in the way he did? No. Should Creative have gotten off their duffs and given us, the customers good stable working drivers and software so Daniel or anyone else would need to try to fix their products? NO.

I posted here http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1288464 on the 23rd cause I've had it with the creative card in my computer.

Right now I'm looking at HT Omega, M-Audio, Audiotrak and ESI. For what I need the price is not much different. No, they don't have fancy crystalizers and EAX, but for me (I'm just not a big gamer) those are non-issues. And there's the new Asus line of cards, they're up to 3 already. The Razer Barracuda is supposed to be a really nice gamer's card too.

So there are other choices, it's a matter of doing some legwork, searching companies, searching reviews, if there's known issues, etc. Creative can drop off the face of the planet for all I care.

I'm having problems and I'm using XP! have an audigy 4 in my older computer cause the onboard sound was ... crappy. Did the autoupdate? and now my computer thinks I have an SB Live! ... and it slowed the puiter down, like alot.

If creative had such a problem with Daniel, why didn't they stop him when he started posting and letting it be known that he was "fixing" the drivers? No, better to just let him do their work while they make the money.
 
WOW, just WOW. I was here earlier today, did sign the petition, did go to creative forum and there were I think 5 pages on the Daniel topic. This thing has spread like wildfire.

Should Daniel have asked for donations in the way he did? No. Should Creative have gotten off their duffs and given us, the customers good stable working drivers and software so Daniel or anyone else would need to try to fix their products? NO.

I posted here http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1288464 on the 23rd cause I've had it with the creative card in my computer.

Right now I'm looking at HT Omega, M-Audio, Audiotrak and ESI. For what I need the price is not much different. No, they don't have fancy crystalizers and EAX, but for me (I'm just not a big gamer) those are non-issues. And there's the new Asus line of cards, they're up to 3 already. The Razer Barracuda is supposed to be a really nice gamer's card too.

So there are other choices, it's a matter of doing some legwork, searching companies, searching reviews, if there's known issues, etc. Creative can drop off the face of the planet for all I care.

I'm having problems and I'm using XP! have an audigy 4 in my older computer cause the onboard sound was ... crappy. Did the autoupdate? and now my computer thinks I have an SB Live! ... and it slowed the puiter down, like alot.

If creative had such a problem with Daniel, why didn't they stop him when he started posting and letting it be known that he was "fixing" the drivers? No, better to just let him do their work while they make the money.

The newegg comments on creative's forum? I'm a skeptic. I will of course be checking newegg tomorrow and the creative forum to see if that post is still there. If in fact it's true that newegg has had almost 5,000 returns in the last 2 days, well, I can see their point in saying Bye Bye to creative!

The topic is here: http://forums.creative.com/creative...ead.id=116332&view=by_date_ascending&page=118

and just in case it is gone from the forum (or isn't really from newegg), here's the post:

newegg
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Posts: 1
Registered: 03-30-2008
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To Whom it May Concern:



While it is not our place to condemn the decisions of Creative regarding this issue, our customers come first. That being said, it has come to our attention that many of our customers are not happy with the products Creative has released nor the support for those products. To wit, we have processed nearly 5,000 return orders within the past 48 hours. While it is not normally in our best interest to publically comment in a manufacturer's forum, the overwhelming concensus has left us little choice. As such, effective tommorow morning newegg.com will suspend sales of the sound cards in question, particularly those indicated as "Vista compatible", pending an investigation into the matter. Those of you whom recently ordered such a card will still recieve your product as indicated in any relevant conversations. While we regret this abrupt decision, it has been deemed neccessary to protect the interest of our consumers. We welcome contact from Creative as soon as is possible so that we may resolve this issue.



Thank you,

Newegg.com
http://www.newegg.com

E:/ support@newegg.com


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I call BS on that too, no company is going to do that. They're in the business of selling things to make money, they don't really care what a company thinks. You think morals have stopped NE from selling junk in the past? (saying this as someone who buys stuff from NE).

That said, Creative's position just makes it easier for me to dump the X-fi in the future and stick with on-board. I'd never given on-board audio a thought until I ran into recording issues in Vista with the X-fi. At that point, Creative had a fix for it not too long after I ran into my problems, so fine and dandy, but it did get me to try out my on-board audio briefly as an alternative, and I was pleasantly surprised by the SoundMAX software. I expect I'll skip the X-fi the next time I put together a system.
 
bitgod, check the registered email address of the Newegg poster, it says webmaster@newegg.com. There's a very good chance this is legit.

The new $90 Asus Xonar DX card looks really good, hopefully the can get Source engine surround sound in Vista working soon in their DS3D wrapper so I can switch.
 
bitgod said:
I call BS on that too, no company is going to do that. They're in the business of selling things to make money, they don't really care what a company thinks. You think morals have stopped NE from selling junk in the past? (saying this as someone who buys stuff from NE).
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With 5000 returns, I dont think NE would be making much...if any money off a product with that high of a return rate.

I do however feel that the post is a fake, if it is legit...the god damn new egg sells a lot of sound cards! The post however looks fake, and the bottom 3 links didnt work for me.
 
Monkey_feces said:
Seriously? I mean come on, they're only sound cards.
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No, they were sound cards, until creative disabled most of the features in vista. Combine that with their long past of piss poor driver support....and its no wonder most of the customers who paid good money for a high end sound card are pissed off. I took out my Audigy2 ZS from my Vista64 computer a few weeks ago, it was just problem after problem. Onboard works great now.
 
I still get pissed when I think about having to find the stupid original drivers cd whenever I had to reinstall windows because the website drivers would not install unless I installed the drivers from the cd that always would hide in a dark corner in someone else's room.
 
RadCliffeX said:
With 5000 returns, I dont think NE would be making much...if any money off a product with that high of a return rate.

I do however feel that the post is a fake, if it is legit...the god damn new egg sells a lot of sound cards! The post however looks fake, and the bottom 3 links didnt work for me.
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It has to be a fake. Since when does Newegg all the sudden care so much about the consumer over making profit? Not only that it would be considered terrible business practice to announce it publically on Creative's forum. If they did something like this it would be done quietly. The products would be removed from the site and nothing else said. It would be the first time I have heard of the Egg removing a product because of questionable support and doing it very publicly.
 
jzodda said:
It has to be a fake. Since when does Newegg all the sudden care so much about the consumer over making profit? Not only that it would be considered terrible business practice to announce it publically on Creative's forum. If they did something like this it would be done quietly. The products would be removed from the site and nothing else said. It would be the first time I have heard of the Egg removing a product because of questionable support and doing it very publicly.
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Um, getting over 5,000 Creative cards returned to you is NOT profit. :rolleyes:

The post is real. And, if you think that post is terrible business practice on the part of Newegg, I'd say they pretty much guaranteed themselves a boost in sales. Perhaps of some non-Creative audio cards? Maybe? Ya think?
 
Scroatdog said:
Um, getting over 5,000 Creative cards returned to you is NOT profit. :rolleyes:

The post is real. And, if you think that post is terrible business practice on the part of Newegg, I'd say they pretty much guaranteed themselves a boost in sales. Perhaps of some non-Creative video cards? Maybe? Ya think?
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Honestly i don't think they sell a single Creative Video card. And this isnt the first time ive heard of major store has put their foot down and threatened to stop selling a product if the said product isn't improved or had a price drop. Retailers have some awsome powers when it comes to convincing companies to improve products. A chunk (a small portion at most) of Creatives' income depends on Newegg's sales.

If creative has no way to get the products to the consumer, they are fucked.


I do however believe this to be fake. 5000 sounds like a lot of units sold or returned on a 48hr period. Or maybe alot of consumers call new egg support trying to fix their SB drivers and Newegg finally got pissed off?
 
The webmaster wouldnt be the one who would post the news. It would either be the Ceo or the sells manager. The webmaster has no power in what get sold and what doesnt. So its fake. Come on think about it.

It listening the webmaster@newegg.com gives it away , its fake. It would either say sells@newegg or PR@newegg or one of the other emails that has something to do with the person over the sells.

Webmaster just update the pages and make sure the page works on a company site.

Then any one can change their email address to the webmaster@newegg in their forum control panel. aslong you know the orginal email so you can.
 
Dende said:
http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=36&name=Sound-Cards-MIDI-Devices


Um today's featured Sound card..... Yea so um I guess it was fake LMAO.
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I'll second that. As someone said, Newegg is in the business to make money. Even if they took 5000 returns, they would still sell new ones and there would then be plenty of open box cards are slightly cheaper prices which then people would buy.

Now if someone would collect all these card people want to get rid of, break them in half and ship them all to creative then that might be worth it. I'm sure they would love getting boxes and boxes full of broken cards.
 
all i have to say this creative needs to make stable drivers for their customers end of discussion they are failing to do so and trying to psuh people to get an x-fi when all their cards should work fine on vista if nvidia or amd did this the blood letting would be relentless

edit look what i found http://www.petitiononline.com/crtvlabs/petition.html
 
I'm confused. Was Daniel K's driver stuff just for the Audigy in Vista, or did he have a whole X-Fi version as well?

I still haven't installed Vista, but am wondering what drivers I should install for my X-Fi Gamer card when I get to it?
 
My X-FI runs fine in Vista with Creative's driver, the mess is about intentional crippling of the Audigy drivers to force people who use Vista to buy X-FIs. Daniel_K opened up the Audigy driver and found out all the features from XP were there but intentionally disabled, he made them work and released the modified driver giving Audigy users full functionality in Vista.

I believe that he also has a modified X-FI driver to enable DD Live on Creative X-FI cards, probably gotten from Azuntech's X-FI Prelude driver. This is probably where he got in trouble with the execs, DD Live has to be licensed from Dobly and Creative apparently has not done that.

Not surprised the Newegg thing was fake, it seemed very unprofessional, but I still wonder how that email address got registered.
 
jpinard said:
I'm confused. Was Daniel K's driver stuff just for the Audigy in Vista, or did he have a whole X-Fi version as well?

I still haven't installed Vista, but am wondering what drivers I should install for my X-Fi Gamer card when I get to it?
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try the officals , then if you have problems then install the modded drivers.
 
Fake or not, I've just laughed my ass off reading the thread over at Creative's forums.

For a while it was on track, but then some fanboy made the mistake of sticking up for Creative and they pounced on him like a pack of hungry wolves.

I was going to register but the process is way too long just to tell Creative they suck.

But it was entertaining reading, nonetheless.
 
I tried to get people off of Creative stuff years ago. But this being a gaming forum, Creative has always held this weird position of the market, far past the MIDI era, wherein they create these proprietary 3d sound nonsense and declare themselves the nvidia or amd of sound cards. And people eat it up. In reality, CPUs have gotten so powerful that sound processing is no longer a framerate eater. 5.1 sound will become the rule of the day. And creative, rather than adapting, just markets the crap out of something which ought to be quite simple by today's standards. But people go around touting their EAX "features" and stuff, meanwhile they're supporting a company with the worst driver model in the business. And really, all a closed standard like EAX does is make old cards obsolete faster and impedes choice and PC gaming progress.
 
FitzRoy said:
I tried to get people off of Creative stuff years ago. But this being a gaming forum, Creative has always held this weird position of the market, far past the MIDI era, wherein they create these proprietary 3d sound nonsense and declare themselves the nvidia or amd of sound cards. And people eat it up. In reality, CPUs have gotten so powerful that sound processing is no longer a framerate eater. 5.1 sound will become the rule of the day. And creative, rather than adapting, just markets the crap out of something which ought to be quite simple by today's standards. But people go around touting their EAX "features" and stuff, meanwhile they're supporting a company with the worst driver model in the business. And really, all a closed standard like EAX does is make old cards obsolete faster and impedes choice and PC gaming progress.
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Well, ok, but they do sound amazing though. People say...
 
Scroatdog said:
Fake or not, I've just laughed my ass off reading the thread over at Creative's forums.

For a while it was on track, but then some fanboy made the mistake of sticking up for Creative and they pounced on him like a pack of hungry wolves.

I was going to register but the process is way too long just to tell Creative they suck.

But it was entertaining reading, nonetheless.
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The Creative forums are a complete mess now...you post a serious question, and you get people posting pics of an X-FI in a toilet full of crap (besides the soundcard).

Hate to be a moderator over there
 
That forum is a disaster and full of kiddies spamming lame pics, inaccurate facts and general stupidity. Anyone that says anything remotely true or using common sense is shunned upon, a lame picture posted, or accused of being a Creative Spy.

Pretty awful

Hilarious to troll them though
 
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