Counter-Strike: Source Benchmarked!

[rancor]

would like to see those benches on the 65 drivers

 

[Xenozx]

im pretty sure they tested them as follows.

x800xt OPTIMIZATIONS ON
geforce 6800 ultra OPTIMIZATIONS OFF.

as ive mentioned in other posts that many reviewers have already done.

if they shut them off they would have mentioned it but they didnt so i can already tell it is off. I hope to hear the official word that this is the case but im pretty sure it is. No one seems to want to address this since ive seen it hinted at earlier by other posters but no one picked it up and rolled with it.

not that theres a big difference either way. either card is going to play the game with max settings reguardless and theres like a 5 fps difference who the HELL cares. but just for sake of argument i believe the optimizations are off. if they set both cards to high quality (why the hell would they set them to medium or low?) then optimizations are off by default on nvidia hardware where ATI's are always on. if they set the optimizations on again they would have mentioned it.


theres still sm 3.0 support to be implemented to hl2 and CS so the way i see it it should be dead even give or take a couple fps. who ever said 30% needs to climb a bridge and....


anyway my 2 cents...

 

[fugu]

yes because when your playing the game you will notice these jaggies right?
no...way to nitpick. but anyways unless im blind the 420's weapon bottom looks more jagged than the 6800

420

6800U

what's up with the ejection port on the left side of the gun? did they flip the image or something?

 

[mr.fishie]

im pretty sure they tested them as follows.

x800xt OPTIMIZATIONS ON
geforce 6800 ultra OPTIMIZATIONS OFF.

as ive mentioned in other posts that many reviewers have already done.

if they shut them off they would have mentioned it but they didnt so i can already tell it is off. I hope to hear the official word that this is the case but im pretty sure it is. No one seems to want to address this since ive seen it hinted at earlier by other posters but no one picked it up and rolled with it.

not that theres a big difference either way. either card is going to play the game with max settings reguardless and theres like a 5 fps difference who the HELL cares. but just for sake of argument i believe the optimizations are off. if they set both cards to high quality (why the hell would they set them to medium or low?) then optimizations are off by default on nvidia hardware where ATI's are always on. if they set the optimizations on again they would have mentioned it.


theres still sm 3.0 support to be implemented to hl2 and CS so the way i see it it should be dead even give or take a couple fps. who ever said 30% needs to climb a bridge and....


anyway my 2 cents...

either way we dont know if optimizations were on or off considering they never mention it in the article,

my 3 cents

 

[Xenozx]

either way we dont know if optimizations were on or off considering they never mention it in the article,

my 3 cents

so i guess they tested on medium or low quality right?

we dont test high end cards on high quality we test them on low. or thats waht your saying


my 4 cents 8p

 

[trilobyte]

Some of you are forgetting the fact that CS:Source doesn't really do much in terms of effects. The beta is very basic, in fact it looks like CS with higher-res textures. Half-Life 2, with all its bells and whistles, may perform VERY differently.

 

[The Batman]

either way we dont know if optimizations were on or off considering they never mention it in the article,

my 3 cents

They come off by default. You gotta knock it down to HIGH PERFORMENCE before all the opts are enabled. If they had done that I'm sure they would have told us.

 

[avatar_of_might]

my 5 cents,
see shall we, in time. patience you must have. released HL2 will be and then our answer we shall have.

 

[rancor]

my 5 cents,
see shall we, in time. patience you must have. released HL2 will be and then our answer we shall have.

heh a bit too much Star Wars for ya

 

[Visable-assassin]

what's up with the ejection port on the left side of the gun? did they flip the image or something?

Your guess is as good as mine my friend. looks like they flipped the models from left handed...like the origanal videos we saw a while back and just swapped em to right handed with out swapping the ejection port....then again most CS players dont know the port is supposed to be on the other side

 

[gordon151]

They come off by default. You gotta knock it down to HIGH PERFORMENCE before all the opts are enabled. If they had done that I'm sure they would have told us.

I've seen Firingsquad and a couple other places note the 61.77s have filtering optimizatiosn enabled by default. So are you sure about that?

 

[The Batman]

I've seen Firingsquad and a couple other places note the 61.77s have filtering optimizatiosn enabled by default. So are you sure about that?

Yes. I do have the drivers you know. If you've got an nvidia card try it out for yourself. Reinstall the drivers. Go into advanced options and note that the opts are disabled.

Edit: Saw your sig, guess you can't try it out for yourself.

 

[mr.fishie]

so i guess they tested on medium or low quality right?

we dont test high end cards on high quality we test them on low. or thats waht your saying


my 4 cents 8p

i dont recall saying that, all i said is that they dont mention if the optimizations were off or on, or maybe there was invisible text only you could see? perhaps?
either way, i wasnt flaming anyone with that comment, it's my opinion and im entitled to it, correct?

 

[mr.fishie]

They come off by default. You gotta knock it down to HIGH PERFORMENCE before all the opts are enabled. If they had done that I'm sure they would have told us.

haha, hatin a guy ehh?
maybe i'm missing something, i'll reread the article, my bad

 

[^eMpTy^]

I e-mailed the vr-zone dudes about whether or not the optimizations were on...

 

[mr.fishie]

I e-mailed the vr-zone dudes about whether or not the optimizations were on...

good call man, keep us posted

 

[Xenozx]

I e-mailed the vr-zone dudes about whether or not the optimizations were on...

it will be nice to see the answer. good work eMpTy

 

[^eMpTy^]

Well even if they were on...the 6800s are pretty close to the x800s...so that's cool...but if they were off...that could really change things...and I'd really like to see if the new 65 series drivers can do something with AF optimizations...

 

[Syphon Filter]

Things will change when the CPU is processing more AI (ie in Half-Life 2 single player)

 

[SPARTAN VI]

I really wish they'd gone through 9800Pro/XT figures too. I'm sure I'm not the only one that'd like to see how everything measures up... not to mention I'd like to see how well my 9800Pro would do.

 

[SuX0rz]

Well $%#@, it looks like the IQ of the 6800 U is crap...I should take my Ultra back and go get in line on Dell's web site for a X800XT.

Please, the detail is so close that it's not going to be noticeable in game play. And I will be shocked if HL 2 runs 30% better on an ATi card. Its just not going to happen like that and factors like CPU, memory, etc will have more of an effect then whether some is using a 6800 U or X800XT.

 

[Tigerblade]

What are you talking about? They ALL look the same to me. And how would the Ultra look bad when the GT wouldn't? They're the same thing.

Just the same as FarCry running in Ps2.0 and Ps3.0 maybe? lol

 

[Tigerblade]

Well $%#@, it looks like the IQ of the 6800 U is crap...I should take my Ultra back and go get in line on Dell's web site for a X800XT.

Please, the detail is so close that it's not going to be noticeable in game play. And I will be shocked if HL 2 runs 30% better on an ATi card. Its just not going to happen like that and factors like CPU, memory, etc will have more of an effect then whether some is using a 6800 U or X800XT.

Nope, but at the higher res and with all eye candy on the difference between the 2 will be the same difference in D3 only opposite....I can only see the gap widening when there is a bigger more intense map and 3Dc is implemented. Shit there is already a gap of 7fps already @16x12....(Doom 3 anyone?) the difference now is that the shoe is on the other foot and with this being the forum it is, the toys are being thrown out of the pram

Funny that 7fps was the whole world when D3 benchies were released and that Nvidia had 'WON' the war.....now a mod of the bigger, better game has been benchied, 7fps is fuck all, it really is sad seeing the complete difference of reaction. So you've all shot yourselves in the foot by buying a 6800 series card for 1 game, big deal, you'll still be able to play HL2 just as good as we ATI owners play D3.

Bring on the full HL2 benchmark...WOOT


One more time for ppl that didn't read it "The ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition will be the fastest graphics card for games based on the Source Engine, particularly Half Life 2 and Counter-Strike: Source."

 

[theelviscerator]

Looks like ATI will have about the same advantage Nvidia had in doom. A fast Gpu on a mediocre system aint helping much either anymore, you gotta have it all today. Fast cpu, mem, and I/O

 

[defenseman]

im simply not paying attention to benches posted on here anymore. after reading the doom.3 benches, i was def considering buying a 6800 because i wanted to play it at 1600x1200 at least 2xAS filtering.

well turns out, my 9800 pro 256mb @ 420/365 runs doom.3 at 1600x1200 8xAS with very respectable framerates...on ULTRA settings. . and even my bro with 64mb gf4 4200 is running it at 1024x768 on HIGH settings.


sorry guys, these benches are just worth a quick read and nothing else IMO.

 

[coz]

Unless you enable filtering optimizations on the 6800 cards then this comparison is hardly fair is it? Those optimizations won't mean that the 6800 cards stomp all over the X800 cards but they'd certainly narrow the gap. If you're comparing performance between these two GPUs then you've got to test fairly.

 

[The Batman]

I can only see the gap widening when there is a bigger more intense map and 3Dc is implemented.

I can see the gap closing with 65.62s + opts.

Shit there is already a gap of 7fps already @16x12....(Doom 3 anyone?) the difference now is that the shoe is on the other foot and with this being the forum it is, the toys are being thrown out of the pram

This is absolutely nothing like D3. Elivs gets about 67 frames in 1024x768...I get 74 frames in 1600x1200...that's 7 frames yes...AND 2 WHOLE STEPS UP in resolution. Downplaying the performence parity in D3 doesn't make the HOCP articles dissappear you know.

Funny that 7fps was the whole world when D3 benchies were released and that Nvidia had 'WON' the war

D3 is domiated by Nvidia cards....7 FPS is not dominating [especially when the damned card is almost impossible to come by at a decent price].

So you've all shot yourselves in the foot by buying a 6800 series card for 1 game, big deal, you'll still be able to play HL2 just as good as we ATI owners play D3.

I don't see people with the X800 Pro playing D3 at 16x12 Ultra 4xAA and getting 40+ FPS.

One more time for ppl that didn't read it "The ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition will be the fastest graphics card for games based on the Source Engine, particularly Half Life 2 and Counter-Strike: Source."

Damned straight. Let me just go buy one from ebay for $700. Or better yet I can get it from Dell...in November. Sorry but the way I see it 7 fps [especially when we're talking about 4xAA 8xAF already] isn't worth the extra $200 or 3 month wait.

D3 was a landslide victory for Nvidia. CSS [and maybe HL2] will at best be a feather in ATIs cap. I can live with that.

 

[Atrapine]

^ Nvidia Group Hug sessions held here at 10PM sharp today dont missout With everyones special guest Doom3?
I really hope HL2 Ends up being A hell of a lot better that Doom3.?As Doom3 was Seriously one of the worst letdowns i have played to date.
And i could'nt care less whether ATI or Nvidia is faster in HL2. As long as the bloody game finally comes out and i can buy the damed thing I will leave the Benchmarking and Fighting to The lunatics.

 

[creedAMD]

im simply not paying attention to benches posted on here anymore. after reading the doom.3 benches, i was def considering buying a 6800 because i wanted to play it at 1600x1200 at least 2xAS filtering.

well turns out, my 9800 pro 256mb @ 420/365 runs doom.3 at 1600x1200 8xAS with very respectable framerates...on ULTRA settings. . and even my bro with 64mb gf4 4200 is running it at 1024x768 on HIGH settings.


sorry guys, these benches are just worth a quick read and nothing else IMO.

I'm sorry man, but I can't believe that your 9800 is playing on ultra high at 1600x1200, my 6800gt is borderline at those settings.

 

[defenseman]

I'm sorry man, but I can't believe that your 9800 is playing on ultra high at 1600x1200, my 6800gt is borderline at those settings.

well neither could i. there are a fewslight load times...maybe 3-4 per level lasting 0.5-1.0sec each, and then is pretty darn smooth after that...id say at least 40fps. maybe ill dl fraps and see what im actually getting.

 

[theelviscerator]

well neither could i. there are a fewslight load times...maybe 3-4 per level lasting 0.5-1.0sec each, and then is pretty darn smooth after that...id say at least 40fps. maybe ill dl fraps and see what im actually getting.

you must run a timedemo to know or turn on the frame counter.

com_showfps 1 in console dude...

I have a hunch you arent going that fast.

 

[Stanley Pain]

im simply not paying attention to benches posted on here anymore. after reading the doom.3 benches, i was def considering buying a 6800 because i wanted to play it at 1600x1200 at least 2xAS filtering.

well turns out, my 9800 pro 256mb @ 420/365 runs doom.3 at 1600x1200 8xAS with very respectable framerates...on ULTRA settings. . and even my bro with 64mb gf4 4200 is running it at 1024x768 on HIGH settings.


sorry guys, these benches are just worth a quick read and nothing else IMO.

I very highly doubt that your bro is running D3 at those settings without massive frame drops. Heck you're running 16x12 with those settings is highly suspect in my mind.

Perhaps your perception of decent frame rates is different then mine

 

[rancor]

Things will change when the CPU is processing more AI (ie in Half-Life 2 single player)

How will that effect benchmarks again?

 

[Blad3]

Doug was right! 30%!

 

[rancor]

Nope, but at the higher res and with all eye candy on the difference between the 2 will be the same difference in D3 only opposite....I can only see the gap widening when there is a bigger more intense map and 3Dc is implemented. Shit there is already a gap of 7fps already @16x12....(Doom 3 anyone?) the difference now is that the shoe is on the other foot and with this being the forum it is, the toys are being thrown out of the pram

Funny that 7fps was the whole world when D3 benchies were released and that Nvidia had 'WON' the war.....now a mod of the bigger, better game has been benchied, 7fps is fuck all, it really is sad seeing the complete difference of reaction. So you've all shot yourselves in the foot by buying a 6800 series card for 1 game, big deal, you'll still be able to play HL2 just as good as we ATI owners play D3.

Bring on the full HL2 benchmark...WOOT


One more time for ppl that didn't read it "The ATI Radeon X800 XT Platinum Edition will be the fastest graphics card for games based on the Source Engine, particularly Half Life 2 and Counter-Strike: Source."

Don't feed us that BS Tiger 3dc doesn't improve performance that much 1-2%, they probably already were using it too. They wouldn't beta the game without it. Thats a big thing to add. You have to recompress all your normal maps, heightmaps, glossmaps. Thats about 3/4 of all your textures. Takes a good amount of time to do that. Then you have to test it out to see if it works. You are telling me they are going to have another beta phase for HL2?


According to the review yes. But it still isn't 30% or 40% faster on ATi cards

 

[SuperTurtle]

According to the review yes. But it still isn't 30% or 40% faster on ATi cards

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

 

[rancor]

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

CS:S does not = HL2

its not going to be much different, If ya want you can dl cs.s which was leaked on bittorrent And as was the Half life 2 script.

The games are very similiar...... Just that half life 2 has more ai and special effects which effect the graphics cards similiar

 

[Blad3]

7fps is a definite win. But not the huge gap I thought it may be(8-10+). There will be optimizations out for both sides, most likely before HL2 is out, anyway.

Question:

Hasn't the x800 series already been optimized for HL2? From last year?

 

[rancor]

ATi's drivers have pretty much hit rock bottom, there is not much more they can get out of thier drivers unless they add in shader replacement.

 

[Blad3]

ok thanks for info. Will look forwards to what Nvidia is going to bring to the table with HL2.