Who'd have thought that Apple would be the mainstream OS creator that respects user consent? I actually don't mind Recall as a concept, but the security flaws and generally tone-deaf initial approach rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. It certainly didn't help that Microsoft has irked people between Start menu ads, mandatory (if basic) telemetry, and foisting Teams on people.
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Copilot or else! (for OEMs...eventually)
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Zarathustra[H]
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I already do for everything personal (except some limited use for the occasional game)
I unfortunately can't control my work use :/
In the end - however - this shit needs to be regulated. There arent enough competitors for a free market in this space, thus voting with your wallet/feet will never work, especially since most of them have the same incentives (to have absolute control, push subscriptions and make off with your personal data) so they essentially collude.
We need regulations that makes this shit illegal.
Regulations that:
1.) Stop any and all collection and or use of user data, make that data the property of the person it describes and only the person it describes without any ability to sell or trade it for money or free services.
2.) That require the owner of a computer (or any other electronic device) to have complete control of said device, that ban requiring a cloud account for anything that doesn't technically require it to function. (in other words, if you sell a electronic product, everythiung that is theoretically possible to make work in a local only configuration, MUST be made to work in a local only configuration, either through making on prem servers available, or other means)
3.) Bans tying bug/security updates to feature updates
4.) Has a minimum support time period from launch for patches/security vulnerabilities (I suggest 10 years)
5.) Bans locked boot loaders and other measures that prevent the user from having full control over what does and does not run on their hardware, whatever that hardware is.
6.) Introduces a Volcker Rule of sorts for software. OS, Software, Store. Pick one. You can only operate/sell/develop one at a time. If you develop/sell an OS you are prevented from operating an online store front or selling (or including for free) any software/programs/applications.
7.) Requires an operating system to install as a blank slate, with no "apps" or ecosystem services other than basic file management and configuration to be installed by default.
The user/owner needs to always be 100% in control of every aspect of the experience, with no exception.
Zarathustra[H]
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The concept of Recall isn't bad if security can be guaranteed (security can never be guaranteed) and if it is stored 100% locally and it can only be used by the user/owner and can never be mined for data by Microsoft. They'd need to sign a legally binding agreement to that effect.
Big issue with making the phrasing here, facebook-amazon-apple-google-microsoft never sell or trade user data I would not think, user data on the open market sell for very little, those company are much better than that at moneytising it themselve and google would not want microsoft to have their user data and vice-versa.
Good luck. None of that is ever going to happen.
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The revolution needs to happen. And those with the technology rape mentality need to be up against the proverbial wall.
Everyone who enabled this by either directly making these decisions or even agreeing to work for these evil companies is culpable.
We can't allow the trillion dollar companies that can afford lobbyists to railroad common sense and decency.
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heck, I'd even argue that any product developed using (or trained on) user data without the explicit (or as the NFL is known to say, "express written consent") of the individual user who created or is described by the content (note, NOT the owner of the platform it is on, but the user themselves) should forcefully taken off the market and destroyed.
Burn it all to the ground and start over from where we were in ~2006.
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Much as I'd like to see that, I think it's all but impossible at this point. Most people get squeamish at the thought.
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It would just progress to the same point again. We have to evolve out of it, not take it away because it will just be desired to get it back.
I must be doing something right here. Surface Pro 11 with type cover (not the $350 one), copilot button launches start menu just like pressing Windows key!
And this "circle to search" thing on Samsung phones....Isn't that just a fancy shortcut to images.google.com?
Google lens has been around for what 10 years?
And this "circle to search" thing on Samsung phones....Isn't that just a fancy shortcut to images.google.com?
Google lens has been around for what 10 years?
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I had the Copilot preview thing pop up on my Win11, disabled it in the GPO and it hasn't been back. Disable, reboot, no more icon.
The main setting to disable caching of data wasn't even present in my policy editor. I think unless you have the laptop with the snapdragon processor + NPU, we don't have to worry about it. I disabled it anyway.
The main setting to disable caching of data wasn't even present in my policy editor. I think unless you have the laptop with the snapdragon processor + NPU, we don't have to worry about it. I disabled it anyway.
The sad thing is I am being asked to look into 3'rd party options that basically do what Recall does but they want to charge like $20K a year for it.
I am reworking my budget and my projects very diligently to ensure that my budget can't absorb the costs. And if the powers that be insist that it is needed they will need to increase my budget accordingly to accommodate the request.
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ArchLinux works just fine. I say this mostly to anyone who is like Zarathustra[H] who appears to be "fighting the good fight". They have already switched, but so should you.
Stop floating upstream. Windows is trash. I used to do what you do; and try to force other people to care about obvious shit.
Arguing about obvious stuff like "don't make my experience shit" has long fallen on deaf ears at M$. Newer folks aren't fatigued at the cat and mouse, because what you don't know, you don't know.
All the time you spend arguing with idiots who don't understand software ethics, you're better off just switching to Linux. That's how you get your voice heard; with your feet, leave these people behind, and let them be the bitches later when the next stunt opens their eyes that time for whatever reason.
Very few games don't support Linux, and those games are typically well beneath the average age group who uses [H]. Not that this was my goal, but my FPS is roughly 10-15% higher in Linux with Vulkan over DX12. The rest of the stuff you do is either supported directly, through wine, or better under Linux. Is it going to be dead simple? No. But aren't you [H]?
As far as caring what happens at work, who cares.
Stop floating upstream. Windows is trash. I used to do what you do; and try to force other people to care about obvious shit.
Arguing about obvious stuff like "don't make my experience shit" has long fallen on deaf ears at M$. Newer folks aren't fatigued at the cat and mouse, because what you don't know, you don't know.
All the time you spend arguing with idiots who don't understand software ethics, you're better off just switching to Linux. That's how you get your voice heard; with your feet, leave these people behind, and let them be the bitches later when the next stunt opens their eyes that time for whatever reason.
Very few games don't support Linux, and those games are typically well beneath the average age group who uses [H]. Not that this was my goal, but my FPS is roughly 10-15% higher in Linux with Vulkan over DX12. The rest of the stuff you do is either supported directly, through wine, or better under Linux. Is it going to be dead simple? No. But aren't you [H]?
As far as caring what happens at work, who cares.
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Insider builds of Win11 are actually getting the "old" local Copilot back instead of the current web-based one. That means that if you ask it how to do things like turn on HDR, change your audio device, open a random program, add to your calendar, etc. it'll actually be able to do it again. The web-based one just tells you how.
Will I use it? Probably not. Will I be happy that all the people I work with can use that as tech support instead of me? Absolutely.
Will I use it? Probably not. Will I be happy that all the people I work with can use that as tech support instead of me? Absolutely.
Microsoft lets bosses spot teams that are dodging Copilot
Viva Insights turns AI guzzling into a leaderboard
Richard SpeedFri 10 Oct 2025 // 15:30 UTC
Microsoft is adding Copilot adoption benchmarks to Viva Insights, a tool that lets managers monitor teams to spot those that are gulping down the AI Kool-Aid fastest.
Viva Insights is Microsoft's vaguely creepy monitoring tool, designed to slurp data from employee activities, verfiying how their teams stack up against everyone else in their own organization and at other corporations.
Since one of the uses of the tool is to track productivity through metrics, it is inevitable that Microsoft would add benchmarks for the adoption of Copilot.
Microsoft has repeatedly insisted that the tool is a boon for productivity, even if some customers are not so sure.
The rollout of Benchmarks in the Microsoft Copilot Dashboard allows cohorts to be compared based on company manager types, regions, and job functions in terms of the percentage of active Copilot users, adoption by app, and return a percentage value.
https://www.theregister.com/2025/10/10/microsoft_copilot_viva_insights/?td=rt-3a
According to Microsoft, an "active Copilot user" is one who "performed an intentional action for an AI-powered capability in Copilot within Microsoft Teams, Microsoft 365 Copilot Chat (work), Outlook, Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote, or Loop."
Maybe people could connect an android phone via usb, aim its camera at the monitors, and have gemini "use" copilot.
We tried using, I think it was Copilot, at work last year to analyze a program and tell us what it did. We got back a junior dev level "line 120 calculates some variable. line 122 calculates some variable" and so on. No insight into what the program was doing.
To be fair, none of us but the manager who insisted on demoing it expected any better.
To be fair, none of us but the manager who insisted on demoing it expected any better.
Microsoft says Copilot is for entertainment purposes only, not serious use — firm pushing AI hard to consumers and businesses tells users not to rely on it for important advice
NewsBy Jowi Morales last updated 3 hours ago
These might be boilerplate disclaimers, but they kind of contradict the company's ads and marketing.
According to the Microsoft Copilot Terms of Use, which was updated in October last year, the AI large language model (LLM) is designed for entertainment use only, and users should not use it for important advice.
“Copilot is for entertainment purposes only. It can make mistakes, and it may not work as intended,” the document said. “Don’t rely on Copilot for important advice. Use Copilot at your own risk.”
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-i...-users-not-to-rely-on-it-for-important-advice
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We didn't need Microsoft to tell us that.
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So is MS charging for tokens to use Copilot features/queries?
Xbox’s current boss & former boss of Microsoft AI division decides that copilot on xbox is not working
Never use it myself. The programs I use regularly are just pinned to the taskbar. If I really need to use something I rarely use then I just take the extra second to scroll. I just always set up my shortcuts so I only rarely have to use the windows menus.
Not hurting myself at my desk job. Not going to start using AI until the company comes up with a security plan for it. Not risking my security clearance and giving AI access to tech specs that are export controlled.
Not that I am aware of. I even asked copilot to show me my token usage, and it said it couldn’t, in that it had no way to do that.