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CoD4 Hardcore mode?? More like WUSS-mode!

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Visec

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Hardcore mode my butt :cool:. How can you call it "Hardcore" when it basically changes the settings for complete n00bs.


The only 2 reasons people pick "Hardcore" over normal:

-I don't have the mental coordination to use RADAR, puts me at a disadvantage to those who can.

-Hitting people with 4-5 bullets is too much, I need "Hardcore" to kill people in 1-2 bullets so they can't react in time and turn around and kill me.


What exactly is "Hardcore" about that lol? It should have been called 'newbie' mode.
 
Visec said:
Hardcore mode my butt :cool:. How can you call it "Hardcore" when it basically changes the settings for complete n00bs.


The only 2 reasons people pick "Hardcore" over normal:

-I don't have the mental coordination to use RADAR, puts me at a disadvantage to those who can.

-Hitting people with 4-5 bullets is too much, I need "Hardcore" to kill people in 1-2 bullets so they can't react in time and turn around and kill me.


What exactly is "Hardcore" about that lol? It should have been called 'newbie' mode.
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Hardcore is about not being able to run around like it's a Quake game. IRL you get shot twice you're fucked.
 
That makes sense however it should have been called 'realistic' mode or somethig else besides hardcore because gaming wise normal mode is much more "hardcore".
 
Or because Hardcore mode is realistic and forces you to be far more observant of your surroundings compared to the "shoot me so I can turn around and shoot back" Halo style of gaming.

Also, Radar, helocopters, and airstrikes are extremely unrealistic.

Have fun with your joke normal mode. I'll play the part of the game that requires skill. You have fun shooting someone in the leg with an M40A3 and have them shoot back at you with no delay.
 
lol skill? in newbie mode (aka hardcore) it basically forces you to tuck ur dick between your legs and curl up in the nearest corner and go tunnel vision because 1 bullet kills you, and it's too dangerous to poke your head out along with the fact you don't have any radar to check your 6, it favors camping, and as a noob it's easier to get kills.

In a gaming world 'fun' should come before "realisim". I give credit though to Infinity for tricking the mass noobs who make 80% of todays games into thinking they're doing something "Hardcore" when actually they're doing the opposite. ;) Now that is pure genius.
 
Visec said:
lol skill? in newbie mode (or hardcore) it basically forces you to tuck ur dicik between your legs like a little girl curl up in a corner and go into tunnel vision because 1 bullet kills you and you don't have any radar support to check your 6 so it encourages camping.

In the gaming world 'Fun' should come before "realisim". However I give credit for Infinity to tricking the mass noobs who make up 75% of todays online gaming population intoto thinking they're doing something "Hardcore" when they're actually doing the opposite. ;) That's genius.
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I give em more props for taking the same shitty hitboxes from the previous COD games, slapping better graphics on it, and tricking the same 75% of todays noobs into thinking its the greatest game ever. CS > COD.
 
Visec said:
lol skill? in newbie mode (or hardcore) it basically forces you to tuck ur dicik between your legs like a little girl curl up in the closest corner and go into tunnel vision because 1 bullet kills you and you don't have any radar support to check your 6 so it encourages camping.

In the gaming world 'Fun' should come before "Realisim". I give credit to Infinity tho for tricking the mass noobs who make 80% of todays gaming population into thinking they're doing something "Hardcore" when actually they're doing the opposite. ;) Now that is pure genius.
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+1 ;)
 
JustinSane said:
I give em more props for taking the same shitty hitboxes from the previous COD games, slapping better graphics on it, and tricking the same 75% of todays noobs into thinking its the greatest game ever. CS > COD.
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I could not have said it better myself.
 
Why do people assume that HC Mode requires no skill? The servers that I play on, the same people almost always come in first, last, etc.

Yes, of course you'll be getting a higher score than on normal mode.
But going 44-22 isn't really that much of an improvement over 22-11.

As for radar, it makes the game require more attention, not less. As Volucris stated, you actually have to pay attention to your surroundings. Besides, most good players would have UAV Jammer if not a silencer, making radar useless to begin with on normal mode.

I will agree with the hitboxes, and that it's similar to the previous CoD games. But fun is completely subjective.

All this post really sounds like is that you thought you were good because you played on a normal server, and when you went to an HC server, you got your *** owned.
 
I play on both, and do just as good, but I prefer normal mode because it's more fun for me.
 
I play both and usually always take top score in both. In normal mode you can go commando style and roam the streets like rambo take a few shots and still live to react to your enemy and not worry about death from 1 bullet, it's more fun than just camping on hardcore. Believe me I can hold my own in both. I just don't like how majority servers run hardcore along with the fact it's called 'hardcore'.
 
Hardcore caters to the camper.

Anyone that moves is at a disadvantage to the guy that just sits and camps with this sights pulled up.
 
I prefer hardcore for now... I dont think the servers always sinc up right or something, and its way too easy to get shot a couple times, turn around, do the funky dodge dance, and be able to kill your attacker before he can put that last bullet in you. IRL, yes, you are fucked. If someone gets the best of you, you shouldnt have the chance to even kill them like you can when hardcore is off. This isn't unreal. I also prefer hardcore because then the server tends to have FF on, which discourages nade spamming (easier to TK), and martyrdom (totally noob option that many abuse w/o FF on). I mean, really... come on... you get shot with a barrett rifle IRL anywhere on your body, except your fingertips maybe, and you are going to experience an amputation of the adjoining limb, without hardcore, even this rifle turns to pussy damage. Does hardcore favor snipers a bit more? Yes. Does hardcore=off favor the bunny-hopping duck-waddling martyrdom nade spammer? Yes.
 
Visec said:
lol skill? in newbie mode (aka hardcore) it basically forces you to tuck ur dick between your legs and curl up in the nearest corner and go tunnel vision because 1 bullet kills you and you don't have any radar to check your 6 so it encourages camping.

In a gaming world 'Fun' should come before "Realisim". I give credit though to Infinity for tricking the mass noob player base who make 80% of todays game population into thinking they're doing something "Hardcore" when actually they're doing the opposite. ;) Now that is pure genius.
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I played a HC server today in domination mode. A good 98% of their team was camping. 50% of which were snipers. My team was constantly attacking and I was constantly moving around trying to sneak around. They wanted to know why they lost the match 300 to 100. The next map there was even more snipers and I kept getting 7-10 kills by sneaking behind them and killing 3/4 of their team. I'd get killed and they'd start camping all over, which in turn I'd sneak around again.

While I like the idea, everyone camps in these HC servers and makes it damn near unplayable.
 
I own it up in hardcore and I also own it up in normal. There is radar in hardcore as well, but I guess you were never good enough to kill three people in a row :D
 
newster said:
I own it up in hardcore and I also own it up in normal. There is radar in hardcore as well, but I guess you were never good enough to kill three people in a row :D
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Except that the radar is shared when someone activates it, also why you hear when the opposing team gets it, or are you too deaf to hear those radio commands :D

I haven't played for a while, but I liked the hardcore servers, at least when there weren't 10 campers on each team. But when everyone is actually moving, it's fun.
 
This is what hardcore _should_ have been:

Hardcore+
No UAV/Airstrike/Chopper.
Limited spawns/round (at least as an option, 1 - Last Man Standing)
Some decent gear restriction options (eg. no nades, no grenade launcher attachment)

I'd probably play 5-10 times more than I do now if this was how the game was setup.

Then again, I loved RavenShield so...
 
I was over at a friends house not to long ago and he was playing COD4 on the PS3. As I sat their and watch him he told me he liked HC more because it takes less shots. I thought to myself, how is that HC? Then he asked me if I ever heard of the game. I paused for a minute and told him, "yes, I have it."

Maybe they should pull out some marsh mellow while they're at it.
 
junglicious said:
I was over at a friends house not to long ago and he was playing COD4 on the PS3. As I sat their and watch him he told me he liked HC more because it takes less shots. I thought to myself, how is that HC? Then he asked me if I ever heard of the game. I paused for a minute and told him, "yes, I have it."

Maybe they should pull out some marsh mellow while they're at it.
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Curiously, how good was he at leading a target with a gamepad?
 
Neuffy said:
This is what hardcore _should_ have been:

Hardcore+
No UAV/Airstrike/Chopper.
Limited spawns/round (at least as an option, 1 - Last Man Standing)
Some decent gear restriction options (eg. no nades, no grenade launcher attachment)

I'd probably play 5-10 times more than I do now if this was how the game was setup.

Then again, I loved RavenShield so...
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I am with you.... I would love to play some games without Airstrikes and Choppers. IMO it would even the playing field much more. Maybe there should be another "Realistic" mode instead of just HC and SC.

And restrict Martydom, while your at it!;)

I wonder if there are any MODs out there like that?...
 
kilgore777 said:
I am with you.... I would love to play some games without Airstrikes and Choppers. IMO it would even the playing field much more. Maybe there should be another "Realistic" mode instead of just HC and SC.

And restrict Martydom, while your at it!;)

I wonder if there are any MODs out there like that?...
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There are mods like that out, but they are on unranked servers.

As for being ranked, right now, you can set up the server to be limited respawn. But no one ever seems to use it.

As for Airstrikes & Choppers... It's possible to remove airstrikes from the game and keep it ranked, but not choppers. It is, however, possible in ranked servers to make it so the choppers have a ammo clip of 0, making them completely useless.

So while you cannot exactly remove AS's and Choppers from the ranked games, you can make them pointless, and effectively have the game behave like they don't exist. But as with limited respawning, few servers do this.
 
I prefer Hardcore mode. RL 1 shot your dead. You dont take 6 - 10 bullts to the chest and still be able to shoot back. Now, HC mode, its more then 1 bullet, unless its a headshot,which is instant death anyway. its more like 2-3 dependant on gun and perks.

Air strikes, and helecopters ruin the game. Radar is OK, as long as its not on 24/7.

Im a hardcore gamer, and I prefer hardcore mode in COD4. Its funner IMO too!

http://www.xfire.com/profile/xenozx/
 
Nytegard said:
There are mods like that out, but they are on unranked servers.

As for being ranked, right now, you can set up the server to be limited respawn. But no one ever seems to use it.

As for Airstrikes & Choppers... It's possible to remove airstrikes from the game and keep it ranked, but not choppers. It is, however, possible in ranked servers to make it so the choppers have a ammo clip of 0, making them completely useless.

So while you cannot exactly remove AS's and Choppers from the ranked games, you can make them pointless, and effectively have the game behave like they don't exist. But as with limited respawning, few servers do this.
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Thanks for the info, Nytegard- good to know ;).

I haven't played around with the Mods much, I will have to do some searching.

Cheers
 
JustinSane said:
I give em more props for taking the same shitty hitboxes from the previous COD games, slapping better graphics on it, and tricking the same 75% of todays noobs into thinking its the greatest game ever. CS > COD.
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so true; although, I don't think all that highly of CS either.
 
Hardcore takes more skill. Also it makes weapons such as the Skorpion useable since you don't need one whole clip to dispatch someone. Also the server you play on can tweak the amount of damage you take/inflict if your playing on a modded server.
 
Aix said:
Guys, no need to fight, both modes are spectacularly crap.
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haha. The truth!

I want to meet the guy at Infinity Ward who decided putting air strikes into this game was a good idea and drop kick him in the throat.

Add in the egregious amount of nade spam and you got a game pandered for the noobs. No wonder it's so popular.
 
I think both modes are fine, as they cater to different crowds as it is with the different game modes. What IW could use is a better server browser that has a hardcore filter so people wouldn't be complaining. Sometimes I wonder how a developer forgets to add simple features that are standard in most recent FPSs in the last three years.

I like hardcore myself because as much it makes the game more interesting and more blood pumping. I also like the fact I have a clean screen and I can focus on the battle more. The only thing that irks me that I think even in real life, the average soldier does have a reasonable idea of how much ammo is left, at least in terms of clips or even how many grenades (frag/flash/etc). But I think its a personal taste thing that point - hardcore is still fun (and aggravating when I have no idea how I died at times =P )
 
Neuffy said:
This is what hardcore _should_ have been:

Hardcore+
No UAV/Airstrike/Chopper.
Limited spawns/round (at least as an option, 1 - Last Man Standing)
Some decent gear restriction options (eg. no nades, no grenade launcher attachment)

I'd probably play 5-10 times more than I do now if this was how the game was setup.

Then again, I loved RavenShield so...
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+1 to that.
 
Hardcore mode is designed for the player with the reaction time of a robot injected with e-cocaine. Its not about skill, you dont even have to aim at the head, you have to aim in the general direction of the player and fire off 1 burst of the m16 with stopping power and they are dead.

Hardcore mode = lame camp mode.

I play on both, but sometimes I just can't stand HC because of the instagib-ness. Normal mode FTW!
 
It was late. I forgot.
+to my restrictions: Kill Martyr, kill Last Stand.

hm...anyone else noticed that the "unload mod" screen says "Lanuch without mods" instead of "Launch"?
 
Met-AL said:
Hardcore caters to the camper.

Anyone that moves is at a disadvantage to the guy that just sits and camps with this sights pulled up.
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exactly, whenever i go on a hardcore server, it's full of ass hats camping with the machine gun or sniper rifle. I guess this explains why there's so many teams signed up for the hardcore ladders on TWL. There is no skill here at all. If you suck at aiming then hardcore is for you, enjoy.:)
 
I prefer tactical shooters with realistic damage models. The 'Rambo' style of regular play isn't much fun at all.

In HC mode all guns can be effective...I've seen people tear it up with the Skorpion no problem. I prefer the slower more tactical feel although I do admit, air-strikes, martyrdom, helos, and general nade spam are annoying.

Find me a hardcore server with no scopes (acog included) with no extra frags/martyrdom/air-strikes/helos and you'd have an awesome team-based tactical shooter. I also wish weapons were restricted to appropriate factions. Marines with AK's and Russians with M-4's is retarded.
 
Visec said:
That's the problem 1 bullet kills you it takes no skill to kill someone. It's not hardcore it's softcore noob shyt.:rolleyes:
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I like both modes. I do think Hardcore is more challenging. When you have to reconsider your strategy of "put more bullets in faster than the other guy" to " hit them before they hit you" it adds a new dimension. Hardcore is harder, and you need to find better servers if all you're doing is finding campers all over. I play on PC and see maybe one camper per round.

I don't find it all too challenging when I know what direction I need to go to find the enemy, and I do get pissed that I can hit an enemy with one or two shots with the M60 and they take me out with whatever little rifle they have. That's not balanced, since one shot with the M60 would tear through almost anything in real life. That's where Hardcore has an advantage.
 
I suppose many opinions are going to be based on how you like to play, of course, but going with hardcore will vary the experience depending on the weapons you like to use, and the map you are on. For a map like wet works, I think hardcore really improves things. You dont have the sniper bias as much, and it makes SMG's more effective. W/o hardcore on this map, it starts to become a challenge of who can bunny-hop/duck-walk the best with a knife, as you can unload a P90 at someone and they can still manage to get in close to knife you... thats not skill or tactics... thats just a hack.

On other maps, like pipeline, it makes snipers more powerful... well... they should be!!! It shouldnt take a sniper two shots to down someone. For those of you who dont like camping snipers... well... thats what snipers do... duh. If you dont like snipers, you should be playing Quake or Unreal...lol. IRL, snipers can pwn a whole squad w/o being seen. But it doesnt make them invincible. Their camping is still their downfall in the end, as you can route them with nades easier in Hardcore, or keep them supressed better with a machinegun (as a stray bullet is that much more deadly). In hardcore, weapons like the G3 make sense more, where otherwise, its more about being on full auto and bunny-hopping, which I consider even more annoying than camping. I would rather have sniping be somewhat effective (Hardcore) rather than almost useless all together (w/o hardcore). Without hardcore, the R700, barrett, M21, etc... are almost all useless. It also makes machineguns less useful, as in Hardcore, you can use a machinegun to mow down at least a couple, if not few enemies before they might overtake you. Without HC, you can barely kill one enemy with a M60 before they are all hopping around and shooting back at you. Without HC, it turns into more of a RTS game where its not about shooting skill, but how many of you vs. how many of them... just like a RTS where kills take a bit and then its just a slugfest of sheer numbers no matter what the tactics or if you sneak up on someone.

Hey, they gave us both options, so use them. I would suggest simply sticking to the server style you prefer. Most Hardcore servers say it in their name, or at least 'HC'. I just take note, add them to my favorites, and havent really played non-HC since. I find Hardcore makes every weapon more useful in its own way, and without, it favors the assault rifles and bunny hoppers. Ill take campers over bunny hoppers any day.
 
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