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Chimp Challenge 2010

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Vaulter98c said:
Alan, welcome back man, too bad you wont be staying

Ya it's good for the science, but in the end the science gets done no matter what, just because you are under a different name doesn't matter at all to Stanford

Before this it was a comp between a bunch of people with no other reason to fold other than it's a good thing to do. Now, enter the EVGA marketing giant and it kinda kills the competition. It's already all over the EVGA board, been there for weeks already.

It's kinda like playing in a church baseball league. I loved playing then because it was a just a bunch of guys/gals getting together to have a good time with a little rivalry thrown in for good measure. Now imagine you show up at the first game of the play offs and instead of playing River St. Methodists you're playing against the Yankees, and not only that but they brought every major news outlet this side of Iraq to watch you get creamed and promote the Yankees.

It's kinda like that. Or if your golfing with a buddy (worst sport ever but thats another thread lol) and suddenly Tiger woods shows up and not only kicks your ass and gets his agent to make a commercial out of it, he also brags about how he can get so many more women than you can. Sometimes things go from fun to not fair and not so fun real quick.
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I know, its quite frustrating. But you guys don't have EVGA's tire tracks across your backs yet, so just what are you complaining about? :D

Almost the same thing happened years ago with Google. For those who don't know, they had a custom client bundled in the Google toolbar (with permission, nothing shady like TeamFTL). What sucked is that the team number was hard coded into it, you had to resort to registry hacks to change it. And naturally, Google says this is a good thing, so I better run it right? And Google was crushing every team as hard or even harder than EVGA is now. Enough people complained and even quit, so they got stuck up top with Default and not considered a "real" team.

For now its good for raising awareness of the cause and good for science. And once the corporate money runs out, they'll have to compete on our level again. The only question is how long the corporate bankroll lasts. I can't imagine the answer to that is forever.



Cliffs: we all lived through Google, we'll live through EVGA too.
 
Ya, but I fear that letting this go on will turn folding into the next advertising realm for vendors. I mean, EVGA spent what, 50k or less on the promo, but put it out to millions in ways no one else, even MPC really, could do. Once they get #1 they'll never shut up about it (they as in the company, not the team, but I'm sure theyll get in a few words too). While very anoying, that's not what scares me, what gets me is what happens when big companies step into what has always been a collection of little guys and they start swinging their dicks around seeing who has the biggest all the while crushing the little guys.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the science, but in my mind we should have 2 leauges if you will, the normal free folders who do it because its the right thing to do, then the swinging dick league, where companies can fight cancer and eachother at the same time, which would still make for good PR. Hell, in my opinion, it would be better PR.

Imagine, EVGA brags about being number one team in the world, they beat us out. OK, but from a business stand point, it would be much better if they were in the swinging dick league and could advertise that they beat out team XFX, because that's where they compete on the business side of things
 
You still need 2 swinging dicks in order to have a sword-fight. Team EVGA is not using corporate funds to purchase and operate folding hardware. It is still a volunteer based team with some corporate incentives and advertising. I'm ok with that and I don't think they need to be disqualified from competition just because they are a prominent manufacturer. If you want to boycott EVGA hardware then go for it. If we want to even the stakes then we need to convince some manufacturer to ally with our team.

I don't want to see the same thing we had last year during the CC. It was depressing and drove wedges between team members. I'll participate if there is a drive to do so, but it looks like most everyone wants to just take a year off, and I don't have any problem with that either.
 
No, I'm not saying DQ them, I'm just explaining why I don't really feel like CC'ing this year
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Vaulter no disrespect meant here man but I got to say Im not sure I agree with you on this one. This is like when sports casters argue about "running up the score". Does the team catching the beat down not have 11 players on the field (in football)? Its not like they are defenseless.

EVGA wanted to help Science and create the largest folding team known to man. They went out and did something about it. I dont think they should have an asterisk next to their team name because they gave their team members a few bucks off a video card in exchange for the processing power. One could argue that no NEW "free folding" team could take a run at the Horde because we had such a large "lead".

At the end of the day EVGA's team is good for competition and competition is good for the science. Have fun with folding guys! Ignore the politics of it. That part of it has never done anyone any good, in my experiences.



In regards to the CC - IF the Horde even got invited I would suggest we politely decline. I have been a big proponent of the CC the past two years and have even gone as far as posting some recruitment threads in the other subforms, etc. In each of the past two years, the CC has started out really fun and then people's competitive spirit overshadows their respect for their teammates. As others have pointed out our team is so spread out that its not geared for this sort of event.
 
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In regards to the CC - IF the Horde even got invited I would suggest we politely decline. I have been a big proponent of the CC the past two years and have even gone as far as posting some recruitment threads in the other subforms, etc. In each of the past two years, the CC has started out really fun and then people's competitive spirit overshadows their respect for their teammates. As others have pointed out our team is so spread out that its not geared for this sort of event.
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Agreed.
 
Ok, but I'm not buying it that EVGA started folding because they wanted to help science. Shit, they didn't even start their own team, but once it got a decent amount of people In it, someone seen the genius in joining in. I mean, seriously, look at it. They seen that there was a team with their name on it, someone else already went thru te hassle of getting members, and all EVGA has to do is throw out a few mass emails (nearly free) and give people proprietary money only good with them and soon they'll have a marketing angle no one else can take, which in advertising is priceless.

They didn't start their team, they didn't even give them their own forum at first, they decided to tag on when all the wok was already done, they already have millions they could easily recruit too, and in the scheme of it is probly the cheapest cost of their ad budget. But, you can expect them to takethe humanity stance once they get number one, it's plastered on their pages as it is now

I'm just explaining my views here, but you've got to admit it's a damn long stretch to say EVGA is in it for the science

now am I saying they shouldn't fold? He'll no, but can you see why I'm not really interested in the comp? We've been number one for a while yet we lost out to other free folders in past years, it was a fun competition.

Imagine a big bake sale, and there is a race each year to see which teams can sell the most cookies the quickest. Suddenly, instead of church groups and scout troops, the owner of every bakery in the county comes in and even tho he doesn't bake the cookies for them, he can sell them at all the places people normally go for cookies. Would it kind of kill the fun level? Ya?

Should you stop baking cookies? Fuck no, they're delicious!

Ya get what I mean? I'm not saying take action, I'm just saying I don't feel like playing in that game right now, I'd rather stay here and bolster our own team
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Vaulter98c said:
Ok, but I'm not buying it that EVGA started folding because they wanted to help science. Shit, they didn't even start their own team, but once it got a decent amount of people In it, someone seen the genius in joining in. I mean, seriously, look at it. They seen that there was a team with their name on it, someone else already went thru te hassle of getting members, and all EVGA has to do is throw out a few mass emails (nearly free) and give people proprietary money only good with them and soon they'll have a marketing angle no one else can take, which in advertising is priceless.

They didn't start their team, they didn't even give them their own forum at first, they decided to tag on when all the wok was already done, they already have millions they could easily recruit too, and in the scheme of it is probly the cheapest cost of their ad budget. But, you can expect them to takethe humanity stance once they get number one, it's plastered on their pages as it is now

I'm just explaining my views here, but you've got to admit it's a damn long stretch to say EVGA is in it for the science

now am I saying they shouldn't fold? He'll no, but can you see why I'm not really interested in the comp? We've been number one for a while yet we lost out to other free folders in past years, it was a fun competition.

Imagine a big bake sale, and there is a race each year to see which teams can sell the most cookies the quickest. Suddenly, instead of church groups and scout troops, the owner of every bakery in the county comes in and even tho he doesn't bake the cookies for them, he can sell them at all the places people normally go for cookies. Would it kind of kill the fun level? Ya?

Should you stop baking cookies? Fuck no, they're delicious!

Ya get what I mean? I'm not saying take action, I'm just saying I don't feel like playing in that game right now, I'd rather stay here and bolster our own team
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mmmm.... cooookies.....

But yeah, I agree with Vaulter on this one. Maybe if EVGA pushed harder to form the team and give them the necessary resources, but the fact of the matter is they jumped onto the bandwagon with bags of cash.

I wouldn't mind XFX or the like to jump in here and give us a discount for purchasing their product and fold with their affiliation. :D
 
Vaulter98c said:
Ya get what I mean? I'm not saying take action, I'm just saying I don't feel like playing in that game right now, I'd rather stay here and bolster our own team
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Well to be fair, [H]ardApe is a part of team 33 (obviously) so the 20 or so million points that goes towards the CC, still counts to our team. It's just that people get their knickers in a bunch when guys choose to keep folding under their name to get caught up with guys ahead of them that are currently CC'ing it up.

In the end, it just isn't worth it. We'll end up with another 15 page thread of bickering and bitching from within our team and from without as inevitably we'll get some members from other forums in to talk some "kind hearted" crap.
 
I know it's on our team, and at the end of the day out team ppd would t change, itwould just de passed out in a new manor

I'm just think the CC really won't be worth it this year for us
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Shlomo said:
Well to be fair, [H]ardApe is a part of team 33 (obviously) so the 20 or so million points that goes towards the CC, still counts to our team. It's just that people get their knickers in a bunch when guys choose to keep folding under their name to get caught up with guys ahead of them that are currently CC'ing it up.

In the end, it just isn't worth it. We'll end up with another 15 page thread of bickering and bitching from within our team and from without as inevitably we'll get some members from other forums in to talk some "kind hearted" crap.
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correct.. though there are to many people in here that have become point hordes.. but thats the nature of the beast due to what F@H has become with the insane amount of points per WU's.. while i agree the higher points are a nice thing.. it takes away from the actual reason we are doing this.. it has turned into a points war instead of actually trying to help with science.. but what ever.. its up to you guys.. doesnt really matter to me..
 
I think the points war is fine inter-team. We're all in a friendly competition here to get more amongst ourselves, and no one ever has hard feelings for winning or losing here. That's all in the team, and since it doesn't bring fighting all it does it get more science done, that's why Stanford started scoring in the first place

Hell, even between other teams the competion has always been friendly. Now change up the way you play by adding huge companies or by making up your own game entirely and people will start to feel hostile, we fold and play one game, get points = win = fight cancer

Throw in advertising schemes and home made competitions and you've changed the status quo.

I think we do better on our own anyways
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Too much talk about it both ways.
Doesn't sound like something I'm interested in!
Plus changing stuff over for me is a pain!
 
Vaulter98c said:
It's how I made it through, and my counselor thought I was crazy
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We are ALL crazy in some way, it's how most of us retain some sort of sanity. ;)

So what if someone gets moved whilst doing the challenge, its part of the challenge to mow them down:)
Happened to my F@H nick(sub team, elsewhere) so we just rose to the challenge and mowed them back a few weeks later.
AFTER we had finished the challenge.
It's really just a bit of fun and some smack talk whilst still doing the science.
If people cant handle that, then they have a real problem.
 
I think it's a valid argument about how were spread thin amongst multiple DC projects, I don't think we could easily put the muscle of the horde behind this for 2 reasons

1. Too many people have branched off F@H and into their own projects for their own reasons, and I don't think we could (or should) make them fold for us in this competition
2. A large part of our PPD comes from people that never come here, and if they do they sure don't post. I mean honestly, there is still only a handful of us here in the forums

I just don't think it's gonna be a good idea for us this year, for many reasons
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Vaulter98c said:
Ok, but I'm not buying it that EVGA started folding because they wanted to help science. Shit, they didn't even start their own team, but once it got a decent amount of people In it, someone seen the genius in joining in. I mean, seriously, look at it. They seen that there was a team with their name on it, someone else already went thru te hassle of getting members, and all EVGA has to do is throw out a few mass emails (nearly free) and give people proprietary money only good with them and soon they'll have a marketing angle no one else can take, which in advertising is priceless.

They didn't start their team, they didn't even give them their own forum at first, they decided to tag on when all the wok was already done, they already have millions they could easily recruit too, and in the scheme of it is probly the cheapest cost of their ad budget. But, you can expect them to takethe humanity stance once they get number one, it's plastered on their pages as it is now

I'm just explaining my views here, but you've got to admit it's a damn long stretch to say EVGA is in it for the science

now am I saying they shouldn't fold? He'll no, but can you see why I'm not really interested in the comp? We've been number one for a while yet we lost out to other free folders in past years, it was a fun competition.

Imagine a big bake sale, and there is a race each year to see which teams can sell the most cookies the quickest. Suddenly, instead of church groups and scout troops, the owner of every bakery in the county comes in and even tho he doesn't bake the cookies for them, he can sell them at all the places people normally go for cookies. Would it kind of kill the fun level? Ya?

Should you stop baking cookies? Fuck no, they're delicious!

Ya get what I mean? I'm not saying take action, I'm just saying I don't feel like playing in that game right now, I'd rather stay here and bolster our own team
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Yeah man I can understand where your coming from, hell I even agree with most of what you have said. The one thing I don't want to have the Horde do is use the "EVGA is sponsored" argument to bad mouth their team or even worse, use it as an excuse to quit DC'ing. Thanks for keeping things real around here. I got a lot of respect for you.

Oh an cookie are delicious. Fold on!
 
Vaulter98c said:
Ya, but I fear that letting this go on will turn folding into the next advertising realm for vendors. I mean, EVGA spent what, 50k or less on the promo, but put it out to millions in ways no one else, even MPC really, could do. Once they get #1 they'll never shut up about it (they as in the company, not the team, but I'm sure theyll get in a few words too). While very anoying, that's not what scares me, what gets me is what happens when big companies step into what has always been a collection of little guys and they start swinging their dicks around seeing who has the biggest all the while crushing the little guys.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the science, but in my mind we should have 2 leauges if you will, the normal free folders who do it because its the right thing to do, then the swinging dick league, where companies can fight cancer and eachother at the same time, which would still make for good PR. Hell, in my opinion, it would be better PR.

Imagine, EVGA brags about being number one team in the world, they beat us out. OK, but from a business stand point, it would be much better if they were in the swinging dick league and could advertise that they beat out team XFX, because that's where they compete on the business side of things
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The "Swinging Dicks League" is already in place. It's officially called "Aggregate Teams" and its where Default and Google live. I've been saying for a while now that EVGA belongs up there.
 
meh who cares about evga. at the end of the day as long as the shits getting done who cares about these ficteous points we're accumulating at an ungodly pace? for me i use the point system as:
1. a benchmark to make sure my current hardware is operating properly.
2. a way to keep track on what i'm crunching on.
3. a way to come on the forums and give grief (or receive grief) for the mowings!

I won't be participating in the CC if hardocp is invited. to much of a pain in the ass. I'd rather mow over Vaulter :D .
 
Ha! I'd like to see you try (seriously I would)

I brought nostromo online too
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86k ppd vs 29.7k ppd, you gotta turn up the heat it's getting cold! what's this nostromo and does it require me to add more D?
 
I'm getting 65k now, 75 once I put the next GX2 in

And I'm hopefully pretty close to getting skynet back, I don't know where you're getting this 29k ppd number from

I'm no tiger, but I'll come out swinging
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^^^ ^^ Just make sure when you get all barrels a blazing that you politely yell "INCOMING !" before you go by folks. ;)
 
Nitro and I will tag team if we can both get up and running lol
 
No kidding
I have never had so much issue with a single build in my life!
4weeks:rolleyes:
 
I'm going to do what I said I would do last year.

There is no way in hell I will support joining in the Chimp Challenge. That contest has done nothing but cause problems. I don't give a shit what teams are in on it as that doesn't concern me. This damn "contest" has been nothing but a bucket of fucking trouble for this team since it was started. I saw the exact same shit happen both years and I'm personally tired of fighting it.

Yes, I'm the main person who pissed off a number of other teammates and now former teammates here. I'm happy I did it and don't have a single regret about it. Anyone who bitches, complains, insults and puts down people who don't want to join the challenge deserve a boot to the ass on their way out.

Setting up "rules" about the challenge is worthless because there is no way to enforce them. The only way to avoid the bullshit is to stay out of the challenge in the first place.

If someone wants to know, without names other than mine, about what happened with the Chimp Challenge in the last two years, you may send me a PM. I'll give you a short synopsis of what happened but I'm not getting into it in the main forum again.

 
Well, while slightly less animated, Its good to see that pretty much the whole team is on the same page

Just shows we care more about the team than some random contest (with no real prize)
 
@Vaulter: GlaDOS Great name, love the song too.

I'm having too much fun right now to bother with the CC.
 
tjmagneto said:
@Vaulter: GlaDOS Great name, love the song too.

I'm having too much fun right now to bother with the CC.
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thanks, got a name for my entire farm, gamer is GLaDOS, megafolder will be Skynet2, can you figure out the link in the 3 dedicated rigs?
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Looks like fictional spacecraft to me. Hope I'm close.
Ro(d)ger Young from Starship Troopers. Song for him too.
Nostromo from Aliens. why does my chest hurt?
Hyperion: Babylon 5. Loved that show.​
 
This was a triumph, I'm being so sincer rite now...

Ohh sorry.. love that tune.

Well smoke, you certainly laid it out.

I'm just happy the team is healthy rite now, I don't want to mess that up.
 
I picked the Hyperion from Starcraft but your spot on lol
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Anyone have any more Borg names... ill need them down the line.
 
I.m sorry I didn't see this thread earlier.

With regard to the Horde being invited to the chimp race this year, we can't imagine having one without them.

The number one team in folding for all these years is always welcome.

Based on talk last year, I expect this year will be a quick race, ending when the first team passes the number for this year.

More on that when one of our monkeys gets in touch

A quick start will be important for all teams

We hope you all decide to participate.
 
With the near riot we almost had last year I would like it if the team sat out this year. That said, what the team chooses to do is a collective decision, not mine.

I just think that we have about healed from last year and I would hate to see the wound opened again.
 
Even though it seems that the general consensus here is that we won't participate, can we get someone to put up a poll on the forum so that it can be voted on (I don't know if I can or even how). I'm willing to participate if there is a majority vote of yes.
 
lassiterb said:
Even though it seems that the general consensus here is that we won't participate, can we get someone to put up a poll on the forum so that it can be voted on (I don't know if I can or even how). I'm willing to participate if there is a majority vote of yes.
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Anyone can put up a poll. Hell, they even let me do important ones like the [H]DC'er of the Month a time or two. If I can do it, you can do it. :D

It'll be disappointing not to have you guys in, but I completely understand if you don't. That being said, you're always welcome in the peanut gallery. You just have to root for the right team or I'll sick security on you.
 
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Hi, long time no see. :)

From what I have been reading in this thread and my correspondences in private, it would likely be an enormous mistake for us to participate this year, if ever. The general sentiments are negative with a few neutral individuals. Since no one seems to be emphatic about participating in the CC and it proved highly divisive both previous years with a drop in team participation as a result, I think it's wiser to be spectators instead of participants in my view.

Thank you for the invitation just the same. :) :cool:
 
alan2308 said:
<snip> you're always welcome in the peanut gallery. You just have to root for the right team or I'll sick security on you.
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Oooh, you mean we can just sit back, fling poo, and eat our tamales? Now THAT sounds like a fun CC! :D Note to self - eat first, fling poo second...
 
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