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Budget AMD CPU?

If your budget is $375, the black friday deals you can get a 14600k and Z790 board at newegg right now. And you don't even have to get a micro ATX board-

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Vengance_01 said:
dead socket. no memory and honesty why do I need a full atx board? most ppl only populate a GPU anyways
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Every current socket is dead. There won't be another CPU upgrade for AM5, guaranteed new socket next update because they'll also probably be going to DDR6 ram.
 
Vengance_01 said:
if AM4 is any indication your wrong... it's clear your an Intel shill
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ROFL, is that why I'm running a 9800x3d right now? What's clear is you don't know what you're talking about.

AM4 had the 3000 and the 5000 series. AM5 has now had 7000 and 9000 series. It's done. They will create AM6 for DDR6 boards.
 
Moparzrule said:
ROFL, is that why I'm running a 9800x3d right now? What's clear is you don't know what you're talking about.

AM4 had the 3000 and the 5000 series. AM5 has now had 7000 and 9000 series. It's done. They will create AM6 for DDR6 boards.
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Am4 had the 1000 and 2000 series too. Amd has confirmed am5 support for years to come.

Tsumi said:
https://slickdeals.net/share/android_app/fp/1024764

7600X + mATX B650 + 32gb 6400 mhz RAM + 1tb NVMe drive for $304. I doubt you're going to get much better bang/buck than this.

Downside is a very cheap motherboard apparently not suitable for handling higher power processors.
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That is a smoking deal.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Am4 had the 1000 and 2000 series too. Amd has confirmed am5 support for years to come.
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You really think virtually anyone ran an X370 board with a 5800x3d and an rtx 3090? Maybe 10 people in the whole country did that.

Even if the new boards still have an AM5 socket, people will upgrade motherboards for the new chipset and features to run DDR6.
 
Moparzrule said:
You really think virtually anyone ran an X370 board with a 5800x3d and an rtx 3090? Maybe 10 people in the whole country did that.

Even if the new boards still have an AM5 socket, people will upgrade motherboards for the new chipset and features to run DDR6.
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AMD didn't support DDR4 until 2 years after its release and DDR5 a year after its release.

DDR6 spec hasn't even been released yet, and even when it is, it will be at least a year before DDR6 RAM is made in any meaningful quantity. So 2026 at the earliest for DDR6 RAM with AM6 a year after in 2027, plenty of time for AMD to squeeze in one more generation on AM5.

Your expectations are unrealistic.
 
Tsumi said:
AMD didn't support DDR4 until 2 years after its release and DDR5 a year after its release.

DDR6 spec hasn't even been released yet, and even when it is, it will be at least a year before DDR6 RAM is made in any meaningful quantity. So 2026 at the earliest for DDR6 RAM with AM6 a year after in 2027, plenty of time for AMD to squeeze in one more generation on AM5.

Your expectations are unrealistic.
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DDR6 is expected Q4 of 2025 or Q1 of 2026 at the latest. The 9k series was just released Q4 of 2024. A generation typically runs 1-2 years. There was a 2 year gap between the 5k and the 7k series. I don't see how my expectations are unrealistic at all.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Am4 had the 1000 and 2000 series too. Amd has confirmed am5 support for years to come.
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If they support AM5 after AM6 comes out like they did AM4 after AM5 came out that could be useful to the OP since he's looking for a budget setup. AMD hasn't come up with anything better than what was already available for AM4 since AM5 launched, but they have provided cheap upgrades for lower end procs. 5800X3D was pricey when it came out. Supply of that seems to have dried up, but now the slightly slower 5700X3D is under $200, so it's a nice upgrade for gaming. You can also still get 5950Xs new. Newegg has them for $315. Maybe OP can grab a cheap 9700X3D or 10700X3D (or will it be a Ryzen AI 4xxX3D?) if he needs a CPU boost after AM6 with DDR6 comes out whenever that happens.

Of course all of this raises another question - is it even useful? I'm not sure if this is the OP's main rig or a backup. Is there a newer Intel main rig waiting to get upgraded and free up a board & proc for the backup at some point in the future?
 
Moparzrule said:
DDR6 is expected Q4 of 2025 or Q1 of 2026 at the latest. The 9k series was just released Q4 of 2024. A generation typically runs 1-2 years. There was a 2 year gap between the 5k and the 7k series. I don't see how my expectations are unrealistic at all.
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You would be right if DDR6 spec releases by the end of this year. I think 1 year between spec release and product release is unlikely. It was almost 1.5 years between spec and product release for DDR5, same for DDR4.

I'm expecting DDR6 spec to not release until mid to end of Q1 2025, which means Q3 or Q4 2026 for product launch if historical trends are anything to go by. AMD would have to be on top of the DDR6 launch if AM6 is to launch 2 years after Zen 5 or risk going over 2 years without a mainstream CPU product launch.
 
Tsumi said:
You would be right if DDR6 spec releases by the end of this year. I think 1 year between spec release and product release is unlikely. It was almost 1.5 years between spec and product release for DDR5, same for DDR4.

I'm expecting DDR6 spec to not release until mid to end of Q1 2025, which means Q3 or Q4 2026 for product launch if historical trends are anything to go by. AMD would have to be on top of the DDR6 launch if AM6 is to launch 2 years after Zen 5 or risk going over 2 years without a mainstream CPU product launch.
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I guess we'll see. Even if spec is released Q1 2025, and mainstream release is 1.5 years after that, still well within 2 years for new product launch. They would probably need that long to develop chipsets and CPU's for DDR6 support anyway. I don't believe they will release anything else in between there is what I'm saying.
 
Late 2020 for Zen 3, late 2022 for Zen 4, mid 2024 for Zen 5. We'll see if we get another generation before mid-late 2026. If it's around there DDR6 is probably a maybe. Of course we might also get a refresh sooner and AM6 + DDR6 in 2027. I mean can you really predict it? AMD could release Zen6 on AM5 then come out with a new IO die, new socket, and DDR6 support 6 months later using the same Zen6 CCDs. I'm not saying that will happen, just that they could do that and we don't know.
 
zandor said:
Late 2020 for Zen 3, late 2022 for Zen 4, mid 2024 for Zen 5. We'll see if we get another generation before mid-late 2026. If it's around there DDR6 is probably a maybe. Of course we might also get a refresh sooner and AM6 + DDR6 in 2027. I mean can you really predict it? AMD could release Zen6 on AM5 then come out with a new IO die, new socket, and DDR6 support 6 months later using the same Zen6 CCDs. I'm not saying that will happen, just that they could do that and we don't know.
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Zen 5 was the Zen 4 refresh. Very little difference between the two.
 
Moparzrule said:
Zen 5 was the Zen 4 refresh. Very little difference between the two.
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Zen 5 did change a few things, some of which aren't immediately appreciable. The biggest appreciable difference is the AVX-512 capabilities, which was enabled by a less appreciable change- a physically smaller L3 cache. Seems like AMD decided to focus on cleaning up the inefficient space usage of the L3 cache that carried over from the Zen 2 days for Zen 5.
 
Tsumi said:
Zen 5 did change a few things, some of which aren't immediately appreciable. The biggest appreciable difference is the AVX-512 capabilities, which was enabled by a less appreciable change- a physically smaller L3 cache. Seems like AMD decided to focus on cleaning up the inefficient space usage of the L3 cache that carried over from the Zen 2 days for Zen 5.
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Well of course it changed a few things, but there were no major changes. Kinda the definition of a refresh.
 
Both of these are good if there is a MC near you OP, I would go with TUF board because that Prime AX is Prime booty cheeks. Slap an extra stick of ram on it for $30 or whatever it costs and you got everything. 7600X3D isn't really any faster, it performs about the same as a 5700X3D because of the low clocks.

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Jumpem said:
I am looking at an i5-13600KF for $175. A micro-ATX motherboard with WiFI and Z790 chipset is $200.

Should I consider anything from AMD around this $375 for both price point? I have always used Intel.

The use case is to refresh an old PC with a 2070S for 2560x1440 gaming. It will probably get a 4080 passed down in the future.
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A decent H660-760 is enough for that SKU. I’d focus the rest on GPU and NVMe.
 
Moparzrule said:
You really think virtually anyone ran an X370 board with a 5800x3d and an rtx 3090? Maybe 10 people in the whole country did that.

Even if the new boards still have an AM5 socket, people will upgrade motherboards for the new chipset and features to run DDR6.
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Wow...

AMD is going to do whatever they're going to do. None of us have a crystal ball, but AMD has publicly claimed support for AM5 until 2027.

https://www.xda-developers.com/amd-won-computex-am5-support-extension-new-am4-cpu/
 
Vengance_01 said:
rather have AM5 all day long for upgrades. Honestly zero reason to buy Intel at all
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If you are budget conscious the Intel is the way to go.

edit: posted before looking at entire thread. Not sure now. It depends on the cost delta.
 
My 2017 MSI B350m Gaming Pro board is still running, going to drop my old Ryzen 5 3600 into it for Windows 11 support, the $84 dollar Ryzen 5 1600 AF ride is finally over as for how long AM4 can live.
 
crazycrave said:
My 2017 MSI B350m Gaming Pro board is still running, going to drop my old Ryzen 5 3600 into it for Windows 11 support, the $84 dollar Ryzen 5 1600 AF ride is finally over as for how long AM4 can live.
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Ryzen 1 supports win11... You just have to install it manually if I recall correctly. I have win11 running on a 1600.
 
crazycrave said:
My 2017 MSI B350m Gaming Pro board is still running, going to drop my old Ryzen 5 3600 into it for Windows 11 support, the $84 dollar Ryzen 5 1600 AF ride is finally over as for how long AM4 can live.
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better off with a zen 4 chip. non x3d parts are going for cheap. look for a 5500 or 5600
 
travm said:
Ryzen 1 supports win11... You just have to install it manually if I recall correctly. I have win11 running on a 1600.
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I used Rufus to create my USB install disc, bypassing account requirements and whatnot. Installed with no issues on a 1700X with B550 motherboard.
 
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Tsumi said:
I used Rufus to create my USB install disc, bypassing account requirements and whatnot. Installed with no issues on a 1700X with B550 motherboard.
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yup I believe it has the option to disable the tmp 2.0 request
 
Tsumi said:
I used Rufus to create my USB install disc, bypassing account requirements and whatnot. Installed with no issues on a 1700X with B550 motherboard.
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IIRC that's exactly how I did it
 
Moparzrule said:
That's just foolish. We'll have DDR6 by 2026 which AM5 obviously does not support.
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So, you've heard about CPUs that can use DDR4 and DDR5, right? Such as Intel's 12th, 13th and 14th gen? It's a motherboard limitation.
 
arestavo said:
So, you've heard about CPUs that can use DDR4 and DDR5, right? Such as Intel's 12th, 13th and 14th gen? It's a motherboard limitation.
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The memory controller is in the CPU, not the motherboard. No current CPU can support DDR6 because DDR6 spec hasn't even been released yet. While it's *possible* that AMD could release another CPU that has DDR5 and 6 support, but I highly doubt it. When DDR6 comes out, you'll need a new board, CPU, and ram to run it. It's extremely unlikely that AMD will do that while still being on socket AM5, I believe it's way more likely they'll make a socket AM6 to coincide with DDR''6''.
 
Moparzrule said:
The memory controller is in the CPU, not the motherboard. No current CPU can support DDR6 because DDR6 spec hasn't even been released yet. While it's *possible* that AMD could release another CPU that has DDR5 and 6 support, but I highly doubt it. When DDR6 comes out, you'll need a new board, CPU, and ram to run it. It's extremely unlikely that AMD will do that while still being on socket AM5, I believe it's way more likely they'll make a socket AM6 to coincide with DDR''6''.
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Uh huh. And CPUs can support multiple generations of DDR.

I'll see myself out, as the point is made.
 
Moparzrule said:
That's just foolish. We'll have DDR6 by 2026 which AM5 obviously does not support.
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AMD is still selling CPUs that use ddr4.... Why would they just up and stop selling am5 CPUs because you "could" get a new ddr6 platform
 
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