thebufenator
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You are right. You are hated. You are a wasteful, selfish, arrogant person. What is there to like about that?
Why you hate capitalism broski
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You are right. You are hated. You are a wasteful, selfish, arrogant person. What is there to like about that?
Facts are facts, many more GPU's are used and sold to gamers than to miners. Todays shortages are more results of cell phones tying up the memory manufacturers making DDR5(x) more scarce.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12380/amd-to-ramp-up-gpu-production-ram-a-limiting-factor
You have every opportunity to buy a video card as I did, if you choose badly, not mindful -> I recommend you look in the mirror first vice point fingers at folks more like you then you think. You or I are not that much different other then the choices we make.And because of miners like you we have a video card for sale that we can buy pre-price gouged direct from Newegg. $679... what a deal!
Why don't you try and find a "fool-proof" method that gets a new card closer to MSRP since all of us engineers and technical professionals on this forum are "too stupid" and "too lazy" to figure it out. We'll wait.
Such a circle-jerk waste of electricity for a speculative market that still hasn't provided any value beyond buying illegal shit on Silk Road 4.0
But when literally doing nothing except add "blockchain" to a company name results in massive stock market gains
We calculated the numbers previously in another thread - gamers dwarf miners in video cards. For the few that own a few rigs there are literally thousands of gamers with video cards. So even the argument that some gamers come up with falls short.Nowhere in that article does it state that gamers are buying more cards then miners.
"Oh, I only have twenty cards for my mining rig" <--- what gamer would have more than one card in a typical rig?
RAM manufacturing capacity limits only excacerbates the issue.
Do you really think a 1080 Ti would be at $1100 on eBay if there was DDR4 supply issues without crypto mining demand?
Nowhere in that article does it state that gamers are buying more cards then miners.
Do you really think a 1080 Ti would be at $1100 on eBay if there was DDR4 supply issues without crypto mining demand?
, it won't just be GPU's in short demand and high prices. I wished you have kept quiet about that until I got my 100 1TB SSDs in racks. . .Also, be careful guys... There are new ways to mine like Proof of Capacity mining. Secure your storage needs now!!! I'm going on 100tb, not profitable yet but I am part of something.
Don't use his lack of evidence as the opposite evidence for you.
I agree, no they wouldn't be $1100. But would they be $1100 if there wasn't a memory shortage?
I bet they would be even more expensive if everyone gamed and bought a high end gpu. Who would you hate then, your fellow gammers?
Sorry, I do what I want, as long as it is not illegal with the stuff I buy - your opportunity was no less than mine in the marketplace and what you do with your assets I could care less and would not dictate what you should or should not do as long as it is legal. Bitcoin is way up, even today compared to 1 year ago - very bright future.For all the good that mining does, you might as well be racing to stuff paper balls into a plastic bag and whoever gets the most in, wins a virtual slice of a virtual coin. Toss the bag into the landfill and continue.
Find another way to to do crypto which does not negatively impact so many things and everyone will be happy. Stop supporting the asinine method being used today! But the cryptocrazies will not do that. Nope.
Of course it just lumps in the cryptocrazies with most people who refuse to give up their toys no matter the negative impact on others. It is the social status quo. Does not mean I have to like it.
The actual number of folks buying in bulk is probably very low, makes a good picture and could seem endless. AMD indicated 1/3 which yes is very significant demand increase, that I do believe was 4th quarter last year, height of the most recent bubble. Today that is probably way less and I do expect to see more and more video cards available as time goes on. For miners, today prices on video cards and returns is not nearly as good as it was last year so that will drive less sells for just mining uses.Nice theoretical. When would every PC gamer buy a high end GPU? Never...
Gamers don't go out and buy a video card en masse unless a new one comes out. They also don't buy them in bulk every single day like we saw through the last six or so months of 2017 and early into 2018.
Maybe we need to compare new video card prices when they are supply-constrained at launch to see what delta is made versus our current bubble. I'll bet the markup is still smaller....
Sorry, I do what I want, as long as it is not illegal with the stuff I buy - your opportunity was no less than mine in the marketplace and what you do with your assets I could care less and would not dictate what you should or should not do as long as it is legal. Bitcoin is way up, even today compared to 1 year ago - very bright future.
You do realize Bitcoin, as it is currently designed/implemented, is unsustainable?
Sorry, you're too lazy.
I can complain in this thread, but the problem is less miners and more that there just aren't many models on the market.
I've had a 290 unlocked to 290x running for around 4 years non-stop mining around 80c. It's fine.Do not buy used mining equipment. Let them eat their costs. Free money schemes attract unsavory people and used mining hardware is less reliable (in my limited anecdotal experience).
Last time around I got stuck with a bunch of money in Paypal limbo. The working 290s I did get have slowly failed. I still have 1 290x but the DisplayPort output is dead.
I guess question is what price are you going to pay for that card? Are you going to pay close to the original MSRP? Or are you going to buy cheaper? I'm not buying a used card that I could get at the same price for new a few months ago....if you do then I question why this is even a topic. Buying used [miner cards] at full retail is not a smart move. Just wait until it settles back in to the "real" price of the card and not inflated. Don't pay inflated prices is pretty much what i'm saying. The demand for cards will drop off and so will prices.It might be shorter, but I bet it will still outlast its usefulness. It's the same thing as an overclocked CPU. So instead of 30 years worth of service, you get 15 years because of the increased voltage and heat. People are trying to buy ones that are binned for a higher overclock. You really never know what you're going to get when you buy anything used, and I don't think it's fair to say that miners are purposely going to lie about it. If anything, they are the ones tweaking everything to fit in their heat/power requirements and independent of your opinion of them, they still are looking at running them cooler than the average gamer who is looking for maximum performance.
I stand by my statement that miner cards are generally better than gamer cards (assuming you're ok with buying used cards period).
I guess question is what price are you going to pay for that card? Are you going to pay close to the original MSRP? Or are you going to buy cheaper? I'm not buying a used card that I could get at the same price for new a few months ago....if you do then I question why this is even a topic. Buying used [miner cards] at full retail is not a smart move. Just wait until it settles back in to the "real" price of the card and not inflated. Don't pay inflated prices is pretty much what i'm saying. The demand for cards will drop off and so will prices.
FYI when I say I don't trust people its aimed at everyone not just crypto miners.
Why would you want it to pop?
A lot of hate in this thread...
There is a big difference between gamers and miners. A gamer's video cards are a need that can be satisfied. If a gamer gets a video card, he's done. One satisfied customer; Out of the market until the next generation. A miner's need cannot be satisfied because it is a number, and numbers are infinite. So no matter how many video cards they buy, they can still make more numbers with more video cards. And they can keep adding video cards forever and there will still be more numbers that they can make. And once their tanker has no more room for any more nodes, you can plunk another tanker right next to it and start filling it too. The amount of GPUs needed to not-satisfy the 12 great miners would satisfy hundreds of thousands of gamers and the 12 great miners are still buying, whereas those thousands of gamers would not be.I also get amazed at how long this complaining about miners taking up the video cards which yes they are but gamers have money as well, no difference in availability either to a gamer then to a miner. I've have yet seen 5-10 or more gamers get together and buy a bulk volume of video cards that can sell for cheaper then a single card. A reasonable price? What dictates the price is the market, not one hopes or think they should be at, GPU uses are exploding in all areas.
If everyone games on a high end GPU, then production of high end GPUs would increase. The problem with mining is that it's too unstable for companies to increase production to compensate.I bet they would be even more expensive if everyone gamed and bought a high end gpu. Who would you hate then, your fellow gammers?
Well it's kind of like this:A reasonable price? What dictates the price is the market, not one hopes or think they should be at, GPU uses are exploding in all areas.
Where are the cheap used mining cards!?!?!
C'mon someone has to dip out sooner or later... I want a card for the Node 202 please!
Something other than burstcoin?Also, be careful guys... There are new ways to mine like Proof of Capacity mining. Secure your storage needs now!!! I'm going on 100tb, not profitable yet but I am part of something.
Something other than burstcoin?
Yeah, not worth it unless you have drives already that are empty and most people have stuff on their drives. Sounds like this guy is talking about something new on the horizon though.I don't think burstcoin is going to gain any traction until you can make more than $8 a month with a $300 10TB drive.
On that we can agree.The crypto bubble can't pop soon enough as far as I'm concerned. At the end of the day there will be one (maybe two) currencies which endure, and an incredible amount of wasted energy.
I have yet to see a single real world implementation of a blockchain that is economically viable.
Something other than burstcoin?
I don't think burstcoin is going to gain any traction until you can make more than $8 a month with a $300 10TB drive.
Yeah, not worth it unless you have drives already that are empty and most people have stuff on their drives. Sounds like this guy is talking about something new on the horizon though.