Bill Gives President Emergency Control of Internet

Emission said:
And if that or something similar doesn't happen, well, looks like it's time to pack up and leave the country.
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Yea... That's the solution. Run away from the problem :rolleyes: Where will you run to?

Dethred said:
Yes, it has begun! Democracy is now dead since a black man is doing things similar to the Bush administration. Such a bill is abhorrent, yet the reaction is hugely ironic after 8 years of Bush.
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Here's the deal... Bush at least tried to do it sneaky-like. Obama is blatantly trying to write laws that defy the constitution.

They're both wrong either way you look at it, at least Bush knew it was wrong and tried to do it under the table. So if you want to argue who the "worse" was don't get me started. It's really a battle of two evils, not good vs evil.

demingo said:
Patriot Act.. which made half of this stuff even remotely possible. signed by Bush
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And renewed back into law by Obama's signature. Or is that a fact you like to skim over?




You folks spend way too much time "D v R" or "Obama v Bush"... It's all just a convenient little distraction to sway you from the fact that the real idiots passing these laws have been in power for 50+ years. They're patient. They can wait around until the right party has the right majority, the media and the public are in the right position, and then they strike.
The President is only around 4 years. Yet the representatives we elect have been around 50 years. You don't think that's a problem?
In 1776, a guy by the name of Thomas Paine single-handedly started the Revolutionary War by circulating brochures about common sense. One of the things a government is based on is the FREQUENT changing of representatives, he wrote. George Washington and other Presidents voluntarily stepped down after a period of time, even though the amendment mandating 8 years max wasn't around at the time. My point? Our Founding Fathers understood that long-standing officials turn into tyranny. Funny how we've forgotten about that.

Two things need to happen.
1) Vote the idiots out.
2) Vote new representatives in that support mandated term limits on public positions (House, Senate, Secretaries, etc).

Only then can we get blood in there that really understands what the American people want.
 
Tokamak said:
Wow, I'm surprised this thread hasn't gotten locked yet. I wonder why that is?
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Why are you surprised? B/c a thread that was squarely aimed at generating replies wound up generating a lot of replies? :rolleyes:

If the thread offends you, keep out. :p
 
TechieSooner said:
Yea... That's the solution. Run away from the problem :rolleyes: Where will you run to?


Here's the deal... Bush at least tried to do it sneaky-like. Obama is blatantly trying to write laws that defy the constitution.

They're both wrong either way you look at it, at least Bush knew it was wrong and tried to do it under the table. So if you want to argue who the "worse" was don't get me started. It's really a battle of two evils, not good vs evil.


And renewed back into law by Obama's signature. Or is that a fact you like to skim over?




You folks spend way too much time "D v R" or "Obama v Bush"... It's all just a convenient little distraction to sway you from the fact that the real idiots passing these laws have been in power for 50+ years. They're patient. They can wait around until the right party has the right majority, the media and the public are in the right position, and then they strike.
The President is only around 4 years. Yet the representatives we elect have been around 50 years. You don't think that's a problem?
In 1776, a guy by the name of Thomas Paine single-handedly started the Revolutionary War by circulating brochures about common sense. One of the things a government is based on is the FREQUENT changing of representatives, he wrote. George Washington and other Presidents voluntarily stepped down after a period of time, even though the amendment mandating 8 years max wasn't around at the time. My point? Our Founding Fathers understood that long-standing officials turn into tyranny. Funny how we've forgotten about that.

Two things need to happen.
1) Vote the idiots out.
2) Vote new representatives in that support mandated term limits on public positions (House, Senate, Secretaries, etc).

Only then can we get blood in there that really understands what the American people want.
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+10. Now where are you going to find enough people in America who see things the same. There is a group here in Canada who are trying to convince the education system that Social Studies is a waste of time and should not be taught in school. See any connection. Their was an article in the Globe and Mail about it. Guess who controls our education system, you guessed it, our Provincial Governments with billions coming from our Federal Government. Can you imagine a system where by our children are not taught history or very watered down, and when the government wants to make changes our children have nothing to base what is happening with their past. Talk about Lemmings to the slaughter. Wake up people, as Stalin said you only need to go through two generations to make your thoughts permanent.
 
Quoting myself from another thread: people forget their history....

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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The easiest way they reduce your rights, and make you more and more dependent on the government to run your life is by telling you they are doing it to protect you.

The problem with present American society is by the time anyone gets worked up enough to do something about the situation, we will long have abdicated all our rights to the government, and will be able to do nothing more than cry about it (like in this thread). Only by then there probably will be a knock at the door after posting, and a couple of suits will escort you away for compromising the safety of the country by sowing dissent.
 
Monkey34 said:
Information control. Look at Iran's recent elections. The only reason we were hearing about the situation was because Iranian citizens turned to the internet to broadcast information about the protests.
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TechieSooner said:
IE, political gain.

Iran was trying to stop honest truth from getting out about their fraud election. That's not a "legitimate" use of shutting it down.
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TechieSooner said:
Well look at the freaking context you responded in and see if my response wasn't warranted:
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If you were throwing sarcasm in there, I missed it, because it sounded to me like you believed the control over the internet was only going to be used for a real - legitimate reason.
I will still say wake up if you think all the power moves are purely political in nature. Plain political power is already held.......they want more. Today? Tomorrow? Maybe not.......but moves like that are made in the long term.
 
Uncle said:
Can you imagine a system where by our children are not taught history or very watered down, and when the government wants to make changes our children have nothing to base what is happening with their past.
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My daughter is taught history at home, she has also been instructed to think for herself, question people when they she is told "facts" and to avoid those who would appeal to emotions rather than common sense.
 
The problem is our wonderful "Progressive" government thinks that children are raised by "communities"... It's part of the whole socialistic BS that just won't work.

They take the basic building blocks of society (the family) and destroy them. Let the "professionals" train our kids, they know better than the parents. We've seen many threads in here over the increased reach of schools as well with texting, sexting, cell usage and what not.

There's no wonder why homeschooling has started going up.
But in response to that, they try to get their foot into homeschooling as well. California mandated homeschooling the kids was "unconstitutional" and isn't "community-results-oriented". In other words, the government knows how to raise your kids better than you do :rolleyes:

Granted, it was appealed and revoked later on. But like I said earlier: these people are patient. Once they get the right recipe of politicians, judges, media, and public support... They'll be able to pass that and uphold any appeals.
 
I bet everyone now knows that race makes no difference if how a president operates. Obama is just a puppet and the lobbyists are the puppeteers. I bet this presidential term is going to be the worst yet. Good thing i didn't vote for him, no guilt lol ;)
 
Monkey34 said:
Quoting myself from another thread: people forget their history....



The easiest way they reduce your rights, and make you more and more dependent on the government to run your life is by telling you they are doing it to protect you.

The problem with present American society is by the time anyone gets worked up enough to do something about the situation, we will long have abdicated all our rights to the government, and will be able to do nothing more than cry about it (like in this thread). Only by then there probably will be a knock at the door after posting, and a couple of suits will escort you away for compromising the safety of the country by sowing dissent.
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What you just wrote could be the reason the constitution gives people the right to bear arms, its not about protecting yourself from an outside enemy, the enemy is from within (Government).
 
Draax said:
I don't consider a group which only appeals to a few people in one province, and who want to separate from Canada a valid political party.
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I don't see why they aren't a valid political party, they represent the views of a significant portion of the population as can be seen by their number of seats. Also, although they may wish to separate they won't do it without a referendum, they are more their as an option to preserve quebecois culture.

Incidentally, can americans not hold referendums on major issues?

also to tie that in with techies question, I personally would move to Switzerland for the very reason that if you can collect 50,000 signatures (100,000 if defense related) within 100 days a referendum will be held on the issue.
 
Constitutionalists are fundamentalists. And religion needs to have its tax exemption revoked. If they were instead run as charities/nonprofit organizations it would be better because they would do more good(charity work) with their money. Rather than simply line the pockets of the "devine".
 
Uncle said:
What you just wrote could be the reason the constitution gives people the right to bear arms, its not about protecting yourself from an outside enemy, the enemy is from within (Government).
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That's actually the one of main reasons.. for the people to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. James Madison explains it pretty well in Federalist Paper 46. http://federali.st/46
 
DaedalusHelios said:
Constitutionalists are fundamentalists. And religion needs to have its tax exemption revoked. If they were instead run as charities/nonprofit organizations it would be better because they would do more good(charity work) with their money. Rather than simply line the pockets of the "devine".
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lol
 
Apparently he doesn't know that faith based organizations do the most charity work in the US. :p
 
DaedalusHelios said:
Constitutionalists are fundamentalists. And religion needs to have its tax exemption revoked. If they were instead run as charities/nonprofit organizations it would be better because they would do more good(charity work) with their money. Rather than simply line the pockets of the "devine".
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Some nice generalized stereotypical canned banter right there. Glad to see you're well informed.:rolleyes:
 
DaedalusHelios said:
Constitutionalists are fundamentalists. And religion needs to have its tax exemption revoked. If they were instead run as charities/nonprofit organizations it would be better because they would do more good(charity work) with their money. Rather than simply line the pockets of the "devine".
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So, taking more money from nonprofits means they have more money to do good with???
You, sir, fail at all logic.
 
Since this administration is fawned over by the SRM (state run media) most of the dissent is over the internet. It's a simple power grab to control the flow of information. You can't even compare this to the "patriot act".

"We have always been at war with Oceania, we have always been at peace with Eurasia."
 
DaedalusHelios said:
Constitutionalists are fundamentalists. And religion needs to have its tax exemption revoked. If they were instead run as charities/nonprofit organizations it would be better because they would do more good(charity work) with their money. Rather than simply line the pockets of the "devine".
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I have been to church only a few times, but I know enough about it and the people that go that you have no Fing idea what you are talking about. The biggest people out to crap on everybody, line their pockets, and act like they are devine are the retards YOU put into power.
 
Ronbo said:
Since this administration is fawned over by the SRM (state run media) most of the dissent is over the internet. It's a simple power grab to control the flow of information.
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Exactly right.

Like I pointed out earlier, there's one level of education our government is still largely hands-off of: homeschooling. Therefore, they're currently seeking to shut that down.

The one level of media that our government doesn't control: Internet. Therefore, they're seeking to get a strangle hold on that.


So, they control the KNOWLEDGE people gain, and they control the SHARING of existing knowledge. From that point, it's just a filter-down effect to all other areas of life.
 
TechieSooner said:
Exactly right.

Like I pointed out earlier, there's one level of education our government is still largely hands-off of: homeschooling. Therefore, they're currently seeking to shut that down.
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Yup. Even now, any home-schoolers should become a member of a Home-school legal-defense group. Thankfully, I never had to use mine, but I personally know people who have gotten a hard time from the city they are in, and had to have the Legal Defense Group step in.

TechieSooner said:
The one level of media that our government doesn't control: Internet. Therefore, they're seeking to get a strangle hold on that.
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As much as I hate a lot of the content on the internet, it needs to remain open. I don't need any governmental help, I will filter the content coming into my home myself.

TechieSooner said:
So, they control the KNOWLEDGE people gain, and they control the SHARING of existing knowledge. From that point, it's just a filter-down effect to all other areas of life.
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You got it. I really hope the majority will keep the blinders off, stay informed, and stay involved before we all get dragged into a neat Orwellian 1984.

Don't hate me because I'm pro-active. The minute you start into apathy, you lose ground.
 
Monkey34 said:
As much as I hate a lot of the content on the internet, it needs to remain open. I don't need any governmental help, I will filter the content coming into my home myself.
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Excuse me sir, I'm with the government. Let me kindly rephrase your sentence for you.

Monkey34 said:
I hate a lot of the content on the internet, it needs to be controlled. I love our government and will accept anything they offer. They're more than welcome to filter the content coming into my home.
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Have a nice day sir.
 
you guys should all probably go stock up on guns and ammunition. You know, just in case Castro tries to have sex with your mother.
 
gdonovan said:
EasyAce = astroturfing troll with fresh account

You clearly did not live through the Carter years as a teen or an adult.

Everyone here is about to get a taste, but Zero is more than Jimmy Carter II.

Tighten your belts, its going to be years before this is all sorted out if ever.
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If you were to read the posts following the one that you quoted then you'd find that I had missunderstood w1retap's post. We're on the same side here.
 
Uncle said:
I'm north of the border. Can the US constitution be changed by 2/3 vote of the states.
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Yep... And the democrats are well on the way to having that majority, which is a bad thing... (60% Senate, 59% House).

Any one party shouldn't have such great control over Congress. Because, then chances for doing ridiculously stupid stuff (like growing our debt by record amounts to leave to our children and children's children) go way up. Most of them are just sheep, voting along party lines. Whereas if it's a more 50/50 split, only on MAJOR issues would both parties rally together and do the right thing.
 
TechieSooner said:
So, taking more money from nonprofits means they have more money to do good with???
You, sir, fail at all logic.
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Nonprofits are tax exempt. You fail at tax law.

Making it a nonprofit(rather than a religious institution), means it requires better auditing procedures and oversight to stop embezzling which is currently rampant. Ever talked to a CPA?
 
Saist said:
hello... *taps mic*... is this thing on.

At what point during the last election did people not put DEMOCRAT and SOCIALIST together? Part of me is actually laughing as I watch more and more people realize that voting for Democrats was one of the worst political moves ever made in the history of the US. The other part of me wonders if enough of the people who realize they screwed up... are going to remember that in the upcoming congressional elections, and kick enough of the Democrats out to have a 2/3+ majority to over-ride and repeal the legislation passed by the Democrats.
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Considering only 1/3 of the Senate is up for reelection, that would be almost impossible.

At least 26 of the 33 seats up would need to be Democrat, and all would need to be ousted for that to happen. Now, what are the odds of that?
 
DaedalusHelios said:
Nonprofits are tax exempt. You fail at tax law.

Making it a nonprofit(rather than a religious institution), means it requires better auditing procedures and oversight to stop embezzling which is currently rampant. Ever talked to a CPA?
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You need a new CPA immediately.

By definition, religious institutions are non profit. Hence they fall under the same rules.
 
TechieSooner said:
Yep... And the democrats are well on the way to having that majority, which is a bad thing... (60% Senate, 59% House).

Any one party shouldn't have such great control over Congress. Because, then chances for doing ridiculously stupid stuff (like growing our debt by record amounts to leave to our children and children's children) go way up. Most of them are just sheep, voting along party lines. Whereas if it's a more 50/50 split, only on MAJOR issues would both parties rally together and do the right thing.
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A constitution change isn't handled on the federal level. It is performed when a required amount of states get together and decide to change things. They aren't all bad - the last time we had one, the Articles of Confederation were replaced with our current United States Constitution. ;)
 
caniba said:
I have been to church only a few times, but I know enough about it and the people that go that you have no Fing idea what you are talking about. The biggest people out to crap on everybody, line their pockets, and act like they are devine are the retards YOU put into power.
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I had no idea I was david axelrod, and I somehow voted for Obama? :rolleyes:
 
God is dead he's been replaced by the Big Bang (another scientific concensus) & when Jesus comes back again those Sunday preachers will be the first to crucify him again. The church poor box has been replaced by the "great society" run by the government & who oversees what the government does? The government appointed overseers of course. Why is that? Because we trusted our representatives to do the right things for us. Well they didn't. The Republicrats are all in the men's room at the airport & the Democans are lining their pockets with our $ & trying to hold on to the power to do that. Shutting down opposing voices will do for a start. Elections have consequences. It's time to vote the incumbents out.
 
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