BF4 $47.99 @ GameFly

[shadyqwerty]

I'll wait till closer to release date Im sure there will be better deals. Amazon proved that with bf3.

Yup. IIRC, I paid $40.

 

[Viper87227]

I really dislike this whole DLC practice from the last few years, i guess its result from the console gaming industry to milk consumers for more money.

With certain games I'd agree, but Battlefield isn't one of them. Let's assume that most people are buying this for multiplayer, so single player doesn't mean crap here. No one has any complaints about a $60 price tag that is buying you a multiplayer game with 10 maps ($6 per map, then). Assuming each DLC is four maps again, that means premium is costing you $50 for 20 maps, or $2.50 per, significantly less than the cost of admission for the base game. I know that't a bit over simplified as the expansions don't add nearly as many weapons and vehicles, but my point is valid. For what your getting, the expansions they are supposedly milking people with are a much better value than the core game.

You can say $110 is to much for a game, but I really find it reasonable. They aren't forcing you to buy it, and they are throwing in a few additional perks into the already good value. It's not as if they make that shit for free, and it's not content that's been removed from the game to be resold later. To the person that thinks all that content should be part of the game, please point out all the other multiplayer shooters that come with 30 maps (massive ones at that) out of the box. Oh wait... there aren't any .

Back in the day, people we're happily shelling out $30-$50 for new content in the "expansion pack" era of gaming. For a lot of players, there will easily be 50-100 hours (and in a lot of cases significantly more) of play time to be logged with the content that comes in premium. The only difference between this and an old school expansion pack is you aren't getting it all at once. And I see that as a good thing anyways... if they did deliver it all up front I imagine it would be a bit of an overload. If you are a casual player, then premium probably isn't for you. But that doesn't make it a ripoff, and it won't affect your ability to play the game as purchased if you don't buy it (just last weekend I was playing with a friend who only had the base game, and had no issues finding populated servers)

 

[shadyqwerty]

Dude...c'mon...seriously? Do you WANT Dice/EA/other people to see your rationale post that explains why $110 is not a bad deal @ all?

It could be $55 and I would still complain. We need to fight this! PC gamers don't pay $60 for a game...that's...madness.

 

[Viper87227]

Dude...c'mon...seriously? Do you WANT Dice/EA/other people to see your rationale post that explains why $110 is not a bad deal @ all?

It could be $55 and I would still complain. We need to fight this! PC gamers don't pay $60 for a game...that's...madness.

You ignored basically everything I said.

Why it is that many years ago $30-$50 expansion packs were ok, despite usually offering a lower content to dollar ratio than the original game, but when EA does it now at a higher content to dollar ratio, it's a problem. And this isn't factoring for inflation either. The prices of games should be going up just like everything else we buy has in the past 10 years. But they haven't. It's technically cheaper, you just don't see it. Fun fact: when you were paying $50 for a new PC game 10 years ago, that is the equivalent of $80 now. Then account for the fact that video games continue to get more and more expensive to make each year. Video games now at $60 are the best value they have ever been... people just don't bother to see it.

Also, point out to me any other shooter in history that comes with the amount of content your expecting at the price your expecting EA to sell it for you to. It doesn't exist. They are supporting their game. They are making new content. Why they hell are they not entitled to charge money for it? Again, if you don't like the cost, don't buy it. But the price they are asking for the content they are offering marks a significantly better value than pretty much any game in it's genre. If you don't play the game frequently enough to warrant the price tag, to b ad. There are pleanty of players who will, and that's who they are selling to.

People's sense of entitlement to certain things boggles my mind sometimes.

 

[shadyqwerty]

My response was tongue in cheek bro.

I was never a fan of expansion packs in the past cause of the PITA it was to buy another box, install more discs, etc, etc. But now w/ Premium, you pay up front, get em all when they release, don't have to go anywhere, and there's other perks. I paid .65 cents per hour played for BF3.

Bottomline, relax, I agree w/ you.

 

[Viper87227]

My response was tongue in cheek bro.

I was never a fan of expansion packs in the past cause of the PITA it was to buy another box, install more discs, etc, etc. But now w/ Premium, you pay up front, get em all when they release, don't have to go anywhere, and there's other perks. I paid .65 cents per hour played for BF3.

Bottomline, relax, I agree w/ you.

Well... shit

 

[hypertek]

well i did originally buy bf3, and than re-bought it for premium lol

But wish they would have premium include the base game from the getgo again.

 

[Iching]

I paid $88 for BF4 China Rising plus Premium few days ago at GMG and still feel a bit ripped off. (-; BF4 is not as great as but since I always do well in FPS and play with a bunch of cool guys I enjoy it tremendously.

p.s. do not pay sales tax to a greedy government and buy it online.

 

[Dangerdog]

well i did originally buy bf3, and than re-bought it for premium lol

But wish they would have premium include the base game from the getgo again.

hmm BF3 at release had the free Karkand DLC included if you pre-ordered, which was also part of the premium pack - so you could look at it that you purchased it twice. Just like the "China Rising" pack that's included with all pre-orders of BF4.

I'm not aware of any versions of BF3 that included Premium.

If you go back and look at BF2 and the cost of ownership if you bought all the expansion packs for it has the cost really changed that much?

BF2 - $45
Special Forces - $30
Booster packs
Euro Force - $10
Armored Fury - $10

Those are the prices I paid for them as far as I recall. If you get in on a 20% discount for BF4 and Premium you're still in the same ballpark for price.

 

[Antiflash]

I understand FPS fans buying it at any cost. I'm more of a casual gamer and there is a single fact that prevents me to buy now:
It will be bundled with AMD cards.
And there is rumors that will be included in the Never Settle promo. That only means that the price will drop fast months after release just like any other game that is bundled with video cards. I can wait.

 

[Banyan]

any time you see someone writing paragraph after paragraph defending the profit strategies of corporations like EA or Monsanto or Shell etc you are seeing someone that has convinced themselves they'd be happy paying more money. waste of time. vote with your wallet instead.


BTW - I'd happily pay $8 per gallon...

 

[Viper87227]

I understand FPS fans buying it at any cost. I'm more of a casual gamer and there is a single fact that prevents me to buy now:
It will be bundled with AMD cards.
And there is rumors that will be included in the Never Settle promo. That only means that the price will drop fast months after release just like any other game that is bundled with video cards. I can wait.

I had originally considered the same, as I've picked up a ton of great games super cheap on the FS forums thanks to these promos. However, it seems like AMD realized that they were driving down prices of games by giving out the same set of free games to everyone whether they wanted them or not. Their new promo's have allowed purchasers to pick a free game (or multiple depending on the card) out of a list of many games. I think this is to entice people to chose games they actually want and don't already have, making them less likely to sell them and create an over inflation of keys for one game in particular. Assuming they stick with this, I wouldn't expect to see the same type of rapid price decline we saw with Tomb Raider, Bioshock, and Far Cry.

 

[Nephron]

Welp. There goes 110 bucks. Stings a bit, but from what I've seen in the beta, it's going to be a great game.

 

[shadyqwerty]

Like the terrible visuals once the building falls? The lack of levolution? The horrible and blurry UI? What about the nasty stuttering issues that forced me onto Windows 8?

I am enjoying it, but it'll be nice when all the issues are ironed out.

 

[Citizen _insane]

Like the terrible visuals once the building falls? The lack of levolution? The horrible and blurry UI? What about the nasty stuttering issues that forced me onto Windows 8?

I am enjoying it, but it'll be nice when all the issues are ironed out.

You are currently playing a BETA version of the game. Wait to pass judgement until the game is released. If you don't want to preorder, that's fine, wait and see if the rest of us have issues, but don't think that a 3 month old beta build is indicative of the final performance of the game. Remember the BF3 beta?

 

[shadyqwerty]

Yeah...and it wasn't anywhere near as bad.

 

[jbean7457]

You are currently playing a BETA version of the game. Wait to pass judgement until the game is released. If you don't want to preorder, that's fine, wait and see if the rest of us have issues, but don't think that a 3 month old beta build is indicative of the final performance of the game. Remember the BF3 beta?

Yes... I remember falling through the ground constantly in the Metro beta, final game was much more polished and ran a good 10 fps faster too. I'm expecting the same improvements in the release version of bf4, then another bump in December with the mantle patch.

 

[CSC Tiscali]

I keep on waiting until a "better deal" comes for BF4. I'm just going to pull the trigger next time it drops below $50 again.

 

[shadyqwerty]

Same. But I'm hoping it'll be Amazon for $39.99. Just something about paying under $40 for a game that wants me to pay $60 that makes me feel like I've won, haha.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Like the terrible visuals once the building falls? The lack of levolution? The horrible and blurry UI? What about the nasty stuttering issues that forced me onto Windows 8?

I am enjoying it, but it'll be nice when all the issues are ironed out.

The visuals look great still even once the building's been taken down, it's dusty, so of course things are supposed to look flatter and less shiny . The "lack of levolution" is because it doesn't fit with that map... the UI isn't blurry for me even though I scaled it some and am on 2560x1440. Windows 8 I already ran and think is far better than Win7 regardless, that's a fair enough complaint if you were sticking with 7 but you could have just waited for release when this stuff will almost definitely have been fixed for.

Same. But I'm hoping it'll be Amazon for $39.99. Just something about paying under $40 for a game that wants me to pay $60 that makes me feel like I've won, haha.

ROFL I know the feeling. I feel pretty good about paying "only" (quote-unquote) $85ish for BF4 + BF4 premium, since I was prepared to buy it at full price right off the bat though ($110).

 

[shadyqwerty]

Really? Are you sure you're not just looking @ super high resolution crap?

But seriously, the when the building falls, the textures look like they're...missing. And they're all the SAME color. I don't care if that's how it really looks when a building falls, it looks hideous IMO.

So why do you think Win 8 is far better? I'm mostly miffed @ the lack of Aero. I miss it.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Really? Are you sure you're not just looking @ super high resolution crap?

But seriously, the when the building falls, the textures look like they're...missing. And they're all the SAME color. I don't care if that's how it really looks when a building falls, it looks hideous IMO.

So why do you think Win 8 is far better? I'm mostly miffed @ the lack of Aero. I miss it.

Haha, I could be... I do need new glasses soon I think .

The textures do indeed look really bland once it falls, I think it's realistic having seen live footage immediately after the first jet hit back in Sep 2001 and from what I heard from people who had family there, but for a game it's not fun to play in. I agree it looks horrendous, but I think it's pretty realistic. Dust coats everything and just smothers the area. I was in highschool at the time and the majority of people's parents at my school commuted to NYC... . I'd heard what happened on a radio and the classroom I went into had a TV tuned to the news when I came in.

Windows 8 in my opinion is better because of a ton of little things, just like Win7 was better than Vista SP1 due to them. I like the search, it's generally snappier, performs a little better in most games, boots more quickly (just a nicety, I run an SSD of course), and has many small UI tweaks that just make life simpler. It's not anything major that stands out to me, but rather just the sum of all those tiny things.

One example being the task manager being improved (easier sub-process viewing, better cpu monitor & memory usage stats). Another one would be easier access to some of the control panel settings since I just type a keyword if it's one I seldom use, into the start screen and it comes up inside of settings (8.1 will merge all results to one category so you won't have to change it anymore even for that).

 

[shadyqwerty]

Herrmmm...

But do we really want realistic? How much fun would it be if one shot killed you?

I actually went down 1,000 points in 3DMark 11. I found it odd that my physics score went down so much. The only difference was 331 vs 320 for the Nvidia driver.

Aero had a little white drop shadow behind the text of a title bar, making it very easy to see. And the flat look makes managing multiple windows harder. The new X to close a window is less prominent too.

The new task manager doesn't tell me how many total processes there are. And I actually think it's kinda ugly.

Also, I'm not 100% sold on it being snappier. But then I borked my OS by trying to install some AeroGlass program and had to kill it (force shutdown) a bunch of times. I tried to hit F8 to run last known good, but of course, neither of those options were available to me, so I had to do a restore. This meant reinstalling BF3, BF4, and a bunch of other programs.

I just don't see why they had to take so much away from me. The whole metro UI is just ridiculous IMO. I didn't want a tablet OS. I just feel like this is the ME or Vista, ya know?

But if you say it generally runs games faster and you feel it's snappier, I'll keep on plodding through and hope for the best. It did smooth out BF4, even though I'm still seeing crap GPU usage.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Herrmmm...

But do we really want realistic? How much fun would it be if one shot killed you?

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said "but for a game it's not fun to play in"... realism is usually sacrificed for the sake of fun and gameplay + aesthetics in videogames. They probably erred too far on the realism side with the dust there...

I actually went down 1,000 points in 3DMark 11. I found it odd that my physics score went down so much. The only difference was 331 vs 320 for the Nvidia driver.

Aero had a little white drop shadow behind the text of a title bar, making it very easy to see. And the flat look makes managing multiple windows harder. The new X to close a window is less prominent too.

The new task manager doesn't tell me how many total processes there are. And I actually think it's kinda ugly.

Also, I'm not 100% sold on it being snappier. But then I borked my OS by trying to install some AeroGlass program and had to kill it (force shutdown) a bunch of times. I tried to hit F8 to run last known good, but of course, neither of those options were available to me, so I had to do a restore. This meant reinstalling BF3, BF4, and a bunch of other programs.

I just don't see why they had to take so much away from me. The whole metro UI is just ridiculous IMO. I didn't want a tablet OS. I just feel like this is the ME or Vista, ya know?

But if you say it generally runs games faster and you feel it's snappier, I'll keep on plodding through and hope for the best. It did smooth out BF4, even though I'm still seeing crap GPU usage.

To be completely frank, just try it a day or two, and if you don't like it just reformat back to Win7. If it doesn't work for you, don't use it . You might want to try installing a start-menu replacement like Start8 or whatnot though, while trying Win8, if the start screen is annoying you. Otherwise though, it really doesn't matter what I or anyone else says on a forum... if you really don't like it, why put yourself through the hassle?

I do feel as though it runs games a little faster with better minimums, and feels snappier on the whole by a longshot, personally. However, as far as BF4 goes, I'm sure they'll have the Win7 stuttering fixed at release or shortly thereafter, so I wouldn't base your decision on a game or two alone.

EDIT: Regarding BF4, there's a new bit of news out on that and Win8: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/battl...-optimizations-win8-dx11-1-still-best-option/ .

 

[shadyqwerty]

...if you really don't like it, why put yourself through the hassle?

Because this...

I do feel as though it runs games a little faster with better minimums, and feels snappier on the whole by a longshot, personally...

EDIT: Regarding BF4, there's a new bit of news out on that and Win8: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/battl...-optimizations-win8-dx11-1-still-best-option/ .

And that. Also...

“So expect some improvements in the next #BF4 OpenBeta patch. Though Win8 w/ our DX11.1 backend is definitely the fastest path (until Mantle)”

Gotta love that "until Mantle" thrown in there. Really makes me consider the R290X or whatever it's called. And w/ their True Audio or whatever that's called maybe we are looking @ the glory days of Glide + Aureal!!

Hey, just to pick your brain a bit, why do you think I'm seeing 50% GPU usage in BF3? I'm actually on the old i5 760 right now. 4670K and board are getting RMAed.

 

[aShrubbery!]

"This title installs and requires EA Origin to play."

Shame really. I would've bought it... just like I would've bought BF3.

(N.B. Origin free gaming is a personal choice, so cut the crap about my exercising my right to choose. Buy it, play it, if you're fine with it.)

 

[shadyqwerty]

Not trolling, but what's your beef w/ Origin? After using it for a couple years, my biggest complaint is that it's ugly. Oh, and I don't particularly care for how I have to add all my friends again. But the Origin in game chat seems to be working ok now.

 

[Destruya]

Not trolling, but what's your beef w/ Origin? After using it for a couple years, my biggest complaint is that it's ugly. Oh, and I don't particularly care for how I have to add all my friends again. But the Origin in game chat seems to be working ok now.

It also doesn't handle loads with even a quarter of the ability Steam can. My guess is that he noticed it start up with Windows and had a spergy ~OMG EA SPYWARE~ reaction before noticing that you *can* get it to not do that.

 

[DreamTheater36]

anyone found a deal yet?

 

[Hulk]

Will BF4 run on Win7?

 

[GoldenTiger]

Because this...




And that. Also...

“So expect some improvements in the next #BF4 OpenBeta patch. Though Win8 w/ our DX11.1 backend is definitely the fastest path (until Mantle)”

Gotta love that "until Mantle" thrown in there. Really makes me consider the R290X or whatever it's called. And w/ their True Audio or whatever that's called maybe we are looking @ the glory days of Glide + Aureal!!

Hey, just to pick your brain a bit, why do you think I'm seeing 50% GPU usage in BF3? I'm actually on the old i5 760 right now. 4670K and board are getting RMAed.

Good point... but ultimately if you don't like it I wouldn't say the aggravation factor is worth it all.

I chuckled at the "until Mantle" as well, I guess we'll see what happens with that but I'm not expecting miracles off the bat, though it will be interesting to see how it develops.

The reason you're seeing such low GPU usage is indeed because of your CPU. If you've already put graphics options as high as they go, there's little else you can do to shift the load over to the GPU more, though changing mesh settings to "low" or "medium" can reduce the CPU load a good amount in BF3, resulting in overall higher GPU usage. For reference with the 670 4gb sli, with everything Ultra except MSAA 2x and effects medium, in many areas with a 4.6ghz i7 2600K @ 2560x1440 I'm still CPU bottlenecked, and only get 60-70% usage on the cards in some parts of most maps. The same thing was true of when I had an SC ACX 780 at times.

My classified 780 is coming in tomorrow, hoping for a good OC and will be seeing how it stacks up against the 670 SLI OC I'm running. Judging from the Lightning review on HardOCP comparing to a 1333mhz core/6900mhz mem OC to the 7990, I think it'll be very similar as a single card, if not better in some situations (I'm discounting the tomb raider bench since it used tressfx which is just a poorly-done performance-butcher setting). The 670 oc'd SLI I'm on is probably a small amount slower than the stock 7990, so it's looking promising so long as I get a 1300mhz+ OC (which is extremely common on the 780 Classy).

 

[Sodapopjones]

Will BF4 run on Win7?

Yes, but I do get random CTD, and I've had the forever stuck at loading screen bug, and yeah. But it works when it works.

 

[shadyqwerty]

It also doesn't handle loads with even a quarter of the ability Steam can. My guess is that he noticed it start up with Windows and had a spergy ~OMG EA SPYWARE~ reaction before noticing that you *can* get it to not do that.

ROFL! I cannot believe you typed that. Haha, fantastic. 9/10. Bravo.

Will BF4 run on Win7?

If you scroll just a bit up, you'll see that there's a Beta patch incoming that will fix some of the performance issues. But if you do decide to run it and it stutters, lower the BF4.EXE process to low priority. It helped a good deal for me. Also, just consider W8. I'm through my 1st 48 hours and am now in full agreement w/ GoldenTiger that it's snappier, noticeably snappier than W7. And of course, BF4 runs better.

Good point... but ultimately if you don't like it I wouldn't say the aggravation factor is worth it all.

I didn't like quitting cigarettes either, but after a couple days it got better. Better to the point where I was able to stick w/ it and did in fact quit.

I chuckled at the "until Mantle" as well, I guess we'll see what happens with that but I'm not expecting miracles off the bat, though it will be interesting to see how it develops.

Yeah, he really kinda threw that in our face, didn't he? Like..."Spider Man will be the best superhero movie around...until Iron Man." Sure, Spidey was great, but it doesn't hold up so well IMO. It was different enough in a good way that I prefer it over SM1. Hmmm...actually, I think I'm just speaking mumbo jumbo.

The reason you're seeing such low GPU usage is indeed because of your CPU. If you've already put graphics options as high as they go, there's little else you can do to shift the load over to the GPU more, though changing mesh settings to "low" or "medium" can reduce the CPU load a good amount in BF3, resulting in overall higher GPU usage. For reference with the 670 4gb sli, with everything Ultra except MSAA 2x and effects medium, in many areas with a 4.6ghz i7 2600K @ 2560x1440 I'm still CPU bottlenecked, and only get 60-70% usage on the cards in some parts of most maps. The same thing was true of when I had an SC ACX 780 at times.

Bullocks! Lies! LIAR! Boooooooooo!

I have tried everything on low and I still get some pretty piss poor frames. Like, down all the way into the 30's in a real bad scenario and barely averaging 60...barely.

Interesting that BF3 (I'm assuming that's what you played w/ the 780) gave you less than stellar usage. I tried 2 660's w/ my 760 @ 3.8 Ghz and that was a crap shot w/ nasty usage, but I'm surprised your Sandy i7 @ 4.6 held back your 780 so much. I do have a LAN buddy (BiG_10) that has had issues w/ his 2500K @ 4.5 or 4.6 and a 780 too. IIRC, he's seeing similar usage as you and that's wo/ HT. Which makes me wonder...does HT do anything in BF3 or BF4's beta? I've read a lot of conflicting opinions/experiences, but nothing solid or definitive. And even though the IPC from Sandy to Ivy to Haswell isn't all that large, I remember going through the same issue of 50% usage on a GTX 470 w/ a Q9550 @ 3.6 Ghz that resolved itself w/ the i5 760 @ stock clocks. IIRC, Yorkfield to Lynnfield was a bigger IPC bump w/ the onboard mem controller, but still...the usage doubled in BC2. So I'm wondering if a Haswell, even an i5 will run BF4 substantially better than a 2500K or 2600K? And now, time for some good news...INTEL SHIPPED MY REPLACEMENT 4670K!! I've got my fingers crossed they accidentally a 4960X.

My classified 780 is coming in tomorrow, hoping for a good OC and will be seeing how it stacks up against the 670 SLI OC I'm running. Judging from the Lightning review on HardOCP comparing to a 1333mhz core/6900mhz mem OC to the 7990, I think it'll be very similar as a single card, if not better in some situations (I'm discounting the tomb raider bench since it used tressfx which is just a poorly-done performance-butcher setting). The 670 oc'd SLI I'm on is probably a small amount slower than the stock 7990, so it's looking promising so long as I get a 1300mhz+ OC (which is extremely common on the 780 Classy).

Yeah...that ACX cooler can die in a fire as far as I'm concerned. It's loud, it's hot, and mine was stuck together w/ less than 1/4 of the die covered by thermal paste. It crashed in Tomb Raider til I replaced the TIM and who knows if it did any damage or not. Thankfully, the EVGA rep on OCN is hooking me up w/ a full refund, so I'm not pissy about it anymore. More than likely will be ordering an Asus DC2 (despite the rumors of crap memory for clocking)...or maybe the MSI Twin Frozr. Both are better than the ACX and nearly the same $ too. Unless of course some miracle happens and AMD's new toy pulls a whodumalup and pounds the Titan by 10% in BF4 in DirectX...AND clocks well...AND doesn't sound like a fire engine. But GL w/ your classified. I'm sure EVGA bins those heavily, so your chances of getting a high clocker are good. Granted, I'm sure you paid out the nose for it, haha! Bet you never thought we'd see the days of paying for an overclock, huh? Intel + Nvidia got us by the balls...

ninjedit:
Sorry my post turned out so long and rambly. Your posts were so well constructed and filled w/ worthy content...I actually enjoyed reading it over a couple times and taking 3 hours to reply.

fatninjedit(the less mobile ninja):
Forgot to mention, cranking resolution scale to 150% and above pretty much guarantees 95% usage. But I did notice it not only destroys framerate, but also seems to only use about 80% power. Also, Tomb Raider was cranked @ 98% usage, even on my i5 760 @ 3.6 Ghz and I'd routinely see over 100% power. So she's definitely not given it all she's got!

 

[Wildace]

any new deals for BF4? im most likely going to buy it but i dont feel like shelling out 110$ on it.

 

[TheOrangeJuicer]

any new deals for BF4? im most likely going to buy it but i dont feel like shelling out 110$ on it.

Don't buy premium yet? The pre-order comes with the first DLC anyway, so that will give you several months before the second DLC comes out. I myself am waiting for premium to go on sale before buying since I am set until the second DLC comes out. There's bound to be a deal for it before the second DLC hits...

 

[chiablo]

For anyone thinking of pre-ordering this, I have two words for you:
"Remember SimCity"

I'm holding out on pre-ordering anything from EA until I hear from the community how good it is. I wasn't impressed with the demo/beta. They promised there would be a lot more destruction, so far I see only one building that usually collapses in the first 5 minutes. I guess we won't see Red Faction Guerrilla levels of destruction until they fully escape the PS3 and XBox 360.

 

[BroHamBone]

For anyone thinking of pre-ordering this, I have two words for you:
"Remember SimCity"

I'm holding out on pre-ordering anything from EA until I hear from the community how good it is. I wasn't impressed with the demo/beta. They promised there would be a lot more destruction, so far I see only one building that usually collapses in the first 5 minutes. I guess we won't see Red Faction Guerrilla levels of destruction until they fully escape the PS3 and XBox 360.

Lmao.... If you ever played sim city when it was released on the snes(sorry old farts, never played it on Atari even though I had one), you would not have bought it except for old memories.

As far as the destruction....no airplanes or commander either. It is a beta and is only going to give you a sample of what the game is offering.

 

[Xonim]

any new deals for BF4? im most likely going to buy it but i dont feel like shelling out 110$ on it.

At greenmangaming you can get either $8 cash back or $10 GMG credit with your preorder of the game at $60. Buying premium would get you either $6 cash back or $8 GMG credit with purchase of premium at $50.

So......$110 becomes either $96, or $110 and you have $18 of GMG credit.

 

[ScretHate]

Please don't spend $110 on a single game. This sends publishers the WRONG message.

 

[Destruya]

At greenmangaming you can get either $8 cash back or $10 GMG credit with your preorder of the game at $60. Buying premium would get you either $6 cash back or $8 GMG credit with purchase of premium at $50.

So......$110 becomes either $96, or $110 and you have $18 of GMG credit.

Reposting this from the second page:

The current 'best' deal I know of for BF4 is through GMG. You can either choose eight bucks in a chargeback, or ten bucks in credit. The chargeback evidently takes a few days. Premium comes with a choice of six bucks back or eight bucks in credit, so theoretically you could:

1. Buy BF4 for 59.99.
2. Choose the ten bucks in credit for use on BF4 Premium.
3. Choose the $6 chargeback for BF4 Premium, OR...wait until BF4's release, at which point you might be able to start using their periodic 20% off coupons on BF4 Premium *plus* the $10 in credit from the BF4 purchase.

End cost, assuming you buy both now: $93.98, for a savings of 16 dollars off retail, or 14.5% off. Chargeback was immediate on my Visa through Paypal.