BenQ GW2x50(HM) thread.

Yes the gamma shift should be better but in my option it's still for now the best all around Monitor. And 170€ for the 24" that's a steal.

And IPS-Glow is really annoying i tried really hard to get use to it but i couldn't, I had even this annoying pink IPS-Glow in corners in a dark movie even on a centered position.
 
Did you get the BenQ, outbreaker? Curious if your panel differs from anyone else here.

And yep, you have mentioned glow bothers you a lot. Your only option is a VA, or an older IPS with an A-TW polarizer then. But it doesn't mean IPS is a bad choice for everyone... it's up to their preference. Every panel types has its pros and cons.

If it was me, I'd probably lean towards the Samsung 650 or try your luck on a used NEC 2490, instead. Or maybe an older S-PVA model, if you can find one. VA Eizos are another possibility, depending on what they cost in your part of the world.
 
A friend has the GW2750HM i will buy it with a new PC in 2 months. He said that the GW2750HM is 10 times better then his Samsung SyncMaster 226BW and that the viewing angle is also better then on his old monitor. He is using the color setting mode gaming and has set the contrast level to 1 that's the settings he likes the best. If i have time i go and check it out myself.
 
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So what's the verdict for RPG and MMO gaming? Don't play shooters, spend a lot of time on the internet browsing and a couple hours a day playing things like Skyrim or LotRO. Would the GW2750hm be worth a try? I do have a Spyder colormeter to use on anything I settle on (including the ASUS I'm trying out). Getting "middle-aged" eyes and the larger font of a 1080p 27" monitor would probably be nice.
 
Namelessme said:
How bad is the horizontal shift compared to a TN? TNs have gotten better at horizontal (although not as good as IPS), so it sounds like they are more or less the same.

Are people seeing shift sometimes without even moving their head (or minor head movements)?

When I owned a working S-PVA, I noticed a horizontal shift, definitely worse than IPS, but it was still acceptable to me. But it was a 4:3 screen... at 16:9, it might have annoyed me more.

I know some people have mentioned a 3D effect with some VA models, due to change in black hues, where one eye will see a different shade just due to the size of the screen. I am wondering if some of the reports of poor black levels on the BenQ may have to do with gamma shift, not uniformity. I know there have been a mention of black levels being darker in the center of the screen, while the remainder is washed out. But does that 'center' change depending on your position?
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Both the AMVA i have had have worse horizontal than TN's i have.

And yes the darker part of the screen stays centered on your view. It is gamma shift, not an issue of uniformity.
 
Jeffredo said:
So what's the verdict for RPG and MMO gaming? Don't play shooters, spend a lot of time on the internet browsing and a couple hours a day playing things like Skyrim or LotRO. Would the GW2750hm be worth a try? I do have a Spyder colormeter to use on anything I settle on (including the ASUS I'm trying out). Getting "middle-aged" eyes and the larger font of a 1080p 27" monitor would probably be nice.
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I assume you mean for ghosting. Yes it would be fine for mmo's and RPG's. Unless you are really picky.
 
Outbreaker said:
@Drags
After reading a lot of Monitor reviews i can say that the new AMVA with overdiver match the IPS panels.
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In reality, not even close.

The A-MVA Benq had worse ghosting than my 5 year old S-IPS by far. And it's night and day compared to the U2312HM I have now.

Honestly, before trying AMVA, I used to think I couldn't live with IPS glow. Now I know that I truly can't live with AMVA, and the IPS glow isn't nearly as bad as first thought.

To answer someone else's question: the bottom right corner of all the IPS displays I've seen has always glowed more than other parts of the screen. Weird, isn't it.
 
k9wazere said:
In reality, not even close.

The A-MVA Benq had worse ghosting than my 5 year old S-IPS by far. And it's night and day compared to the U2312HM I have now.

Honestly, before trying AMVA, I used to think I couldn't live with IPS glow. Now I know that I truly can't live with AMVA, and the IPS glow isn't nearly as bad as first thought.

To answer someone else's question: the bottom right corner of all the IPS displays I've seen has always glowed more than other parts of the screen. Weird, isn't it.
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So how come the TFT Central Pixperan images on the GW2450HM with 'Premium' AMA look similar to many IPS models and the Playwares review actually measured response times similar if not better than overdriven IPS models?
 
Hardcore2012 said:
So how come the TFT Central Pixperan images on the GW2450HM with 'Premium' AMA look similar to many IPS models and the Playwares review actually measured response times similar if not better than overdriven IPS models?
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All the reviews in the world amount to nothing when you have the screen in front of you, like I did. I used the prad.de ghosting test, which uses a red block on a grey background.

It does this deliberately because this kind of transition isn't helped all that much be overdrive. And believe me, AMVA vs IPS ghosting is a very one-sided competition. The IPS wins every time.

Or don't believe me, take your pick ;) I had one of these Benq screens and I'm just telling you what my eyes saw.

I'm not actually saying that the ghosting on AMVA makes it a bad panel. I had fun playing Portal 2, although that's not a twitch based FPS by any means. What I am saying is that AMVA is not close to IPS for ghosting.
 
k9wazere said:
All the reviews in the world amount to nothing when you have the screen in front of you, like I did. I used the prad.de ghosting test, which uses a red block on a grey background.

It does this deliberately because this kind of transition isn't helped all that much be overdrive. And believe me, AMVA vs IPS ghosting is a very one-sided competition. The IPS wins every time.

Or don't believe me, take your pick ;) I had one of these Benq screens and I'm just telling you what my eyes saw.

I'm not actually saying that the ghosting on AMVA makes it a bad panel. I had fun playing Portal 2, although that's not a twitch based FPS by any means. What I am saying is that AMVA is not close to IPS for ghosting.
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Come to think of it there were some transitions that Playwares recorded that were higher than 'average' by quite a way. Must be some that the IPS can do without problems but the A-MVA struggles with. I know that you have to look at things over a broad range and not just pick and choose specific scenarios.
 
Namelessme said:
How bad is the horizontal shift compared to a TN? TNs have gotten better at horizontal (although not as good as IPS), so it sounds like they are more or less the same.
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While being worse than IPS (not what you asked), I found horizontal shift to be superior to TN, but not perfect. There are some differences. Certain colors will shift horizontally. You can see it from sitting still, as mentioned before, where it will appear darker in the center. This isn't a big deal as it's very few colors and not noticeable when gaming. However, if you actually get up and try to look at the monitor from a side angle, the TN will wash out while the BenQ will not.

Jeffredo said:
So what's the verdict for RPG and MMO gaming? Don't play shooters, spend a lot of time on the internet browsing and a couple hours a day playing things like Skyrim or LotRO. Would the GW2750hm be worth a try? I do have a Spyder colormeter to use on anything I settle on (including the ASUS I'm trying out). Getting "middle-aged" eyes and the larger font of a 1080p 27" monitor would probably be nice.
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I play WoW on it daily and love it. However, even on the premium setting you will notice distant ghosting when doing a quick pan with mouselook. It is noticeably worse than my old TNs, but not enough to bother me. I could see it being an issue for FPS gamers.

k9wazere said:
In reality, not even close.

The A-MVA Benq had worse ghosting than my 5 year old S-IPS by far. And it's night and day compared to the U2312HM I have now.
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Less ghosting on my BenQ overall than on my ACD.

Hardcore2012 said:
So how come the TFT Central Pixperan images on the GW2450HM with 'Premium' AMA look similar to many IPS models and the Playwares review actually measured response times similar if not better than overdriven IPS models?
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k9wazere said:
All the reviews in the world amount to nothing when you have the screen in front of you, like I did. I used the prad.de ghosting test, which uses a red block on a grey background.
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Anyone can make a test/benchmark to make one product look superior to another. Yes, that prad.de ghosting test (red object on grey backround) ghosts worse on my BenQ than on my ACD. However, the PixPerAn ghosts worse on the ACD than on the BenQ. PixPerAn measures more than just one color transition. So, you're right, if you use monochrome images an IPS will have less ghosting than an AMVA. However, this particular BenQ will ghost less than just about any IPS out there in most transitions. That's been measured.

To those considering the upgrade:

I have the GW2750HM, and it is an outstanding monitor for my needs, but clearly is not the ideal monitor for most in this thread. What you as an individual need to do is to look at what you are upgrading from and why you are upgrading. If you simply want a larger monitor and have no other issues with your current monitor, then get the same type of panel. When you go from one panel to another you WILL gain in some areas and lose in others. Don't risk losing something that you wanted to keep. But if you are upgrading because of an issue with your monitor, then it's time to consider another panel.

-Sick of ghosting? Get a TN, they're the best in this area outside of OLED/Plasma/CRT
-Want better black levels? VA > TN > IPS in general (there are exceptions), contrast and "glow" falls into this category
-Can't stand gamma shift of any kind? IPS is the only game in town.

IMO, IPS is the best overall panel type in an affordable consumer monitor today. However, both TN and VA have their niche, and they are excellent for those respective niches. Pick your poison. No one here wants to see you get a monitor that you don't like, so evaluate what YOU want in a monitor. If it is VA that you want, The Samsung 650D and the BenQ GW2x50(HM) series are the two best out there in this price range (EDIT: Available in the US, there are some monitors from Philips that seem interesting, but not available in the US). Each has strengths.
 
Thinking about selling my Dell U2412 for the GW2750HM. I use my U2412M mainly for BF3 and some Web Surfing. And a movie here and their. Is the Benq a good gaming monitor? The last VA panel I had was horrible for games. And this is a true 8 bit panel right?
 
zod96 said:
Thinking about selling my Dell U2412 for the GW2750HM. I use my U2412M mainly for BF3 and some Web Surfing. And a movie here and their. Is the Benq a good gaming monitor? The last VA panel I had was horrible for games. And this is a true 8 bit panel right?
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What do you not like about the 2412? As I've said previously, when you go from one panel to another, you're making compromises that you may or may not like, and generally, IPS is considered the most well-rounded panel. Yes, the BenQ is a true 8-bit panel. But before I (or anyone else) can answer whether or not this is a good monitor for you, we need to know what it is about the 2412 that makes you want to upgrade from it.
 
Actually its been perfect. Just wanted something bigger but with a resolution of 1920x1080. All the other 27 inch panels are that 2560x1440 and then its a whole new ball game in the hardware dept. SLI faster video card etc etc...
 
zod96 said:
Actually its been perfect. Just wanted something bigger but with a resolution of 1920x1080. All the other 27 inch panels are that 2560x1440 and then its a whole new ball game in the hardware dept. SLI faster video card etc etc...
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You're in for a rough ride then. If you think it's perfect then you will likely find some flaws in either a TN or a VA panel. I HIGHLY recommend you try before you buy. At 27" and 1080p, you won't find any IPS, just TN and VA. Here's my short list based on what I've tried or comes recommended. Do your best to view these monitors in a store where you can.

TN (60hz):
Samsung S27B550v - I've owned these and they are VERY nice for a TN panel. Internal DAC sucks so only use the speakers if you have to. Available for demo at Best Buy. Matte screen.
HP 2711x - Color isn't as vibrant as the above Samsung, but it has a glossy screen which many prefer. Available for demo in many electronics stores (though usually the 2511x version).

TN (120hz):
BenQ XL2420T - I haven't used a 120hz monitor yet, but in your implied price range (based on what you have and are looking at), this is the best you can do. For another $200 you can get the ASUS VG278Q. This BenQ is the same size as your existing monitor, so likely a no-go.

IPS:
Nothing in your stated criteria (larger and 1080p).

VA:
Samsung S27A650D - Great picture, high quality stand, displayport instead of HDMI
BenQ GW2750HM - great picture, basic tilt stand, speakers and HDMI, better rated and reviewed response time

Basically, you're going to have a trade-off no matter what you pick. Going with a 27" IPS that runs at 2560x1440 might not be such a bad trade-off when compared to the alternatives. So again, before you consider moving to a TN or a VA, try them in person. You don't want to order one of these and find out that the shortcomings (usually gamma shift and viewing angles) irritate you.
 
Nah that's ok ncx he answered my questions very clearly...
 
As far as I know, all of the AMVA and TN 27" panels are 16:9 1920x1080. If you want a higher resolution 27" monitor, you have to look for IPS.
 
I would not pay 200% more for 20% more pixels and most content are also in max 1080p.
I wait for 4k display because 720p and 1080p content fits nicly into a 4k display.
 
Outbreaker said:
I would not pay 200% more for 20% more pixels and most content are also in max 1080p.
I wait for 4k display because 720p and 1080p content fits nicly into a 4k display.
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2560x1440 has 80% more pixels than 1920x1080. And honestly, I'd rather buy a decent quality (LG OLED for example) 1080p monitor than any resolution LCD, but if I'm going to buy an LCD it better be as high resolution as possible.
 
avixaqo said:
2560x1440 has 80% more pixels than 1920x1080. And honestly, I'd rather buy a decent quality (LG OLED for example) 1080p monitor than any resolution LCD, but if I'm going to buy an LCD it better be as high resolution as possible.
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I think he was referring to the 1920x1200 monitors, which used to be typical in the 24" size that this BenQ series was offered in, but I could be wrong.

I understand the desire for 1440p, but there are many who prefer 1080p even in this size. There are benefits, such as having the native resolution that a lot of media content (Xbox 360 scalar, some PS3 games, Blu-Ray movies, etc.) were designed for. In addition to that, they tend to cost less and also require a lesser GPU, thus saving you money in two places. So, 1080p monitors in this segment are great for media-whores on a budget :)
 
1440p makes for some pretty small fonts on a 27" monitor.
 
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There's finally a good English review of the GW2750HM. They came pretty much to the dame conclusion that Medion as be saying all along - about as responsive as a modern IPS monitor for the most part, good color and great contrast.

http://pcmonitors.org/reviews/benq-gw2750hm

They recommended it.
 
Quick question, I have two different versions listed in all of my countries web shops. Model is the same - GW2750HM, but they list two different response times 4ms and 5ms GTG. Is that like two different revisions? Are they really different? If so, then which is better?
For example (google fu): http://www.misco.co.uk/Product/Q555309/BenQ-GW2750HM-27inch-HDMI-LED-Monitor (its lists 5ms response time, its just as an example). Even weirder thing is this listing http://www.emarket.pl/monitory-lcd/...00-1-dvi-hdmi-panel-va-9h-lnlb-qbe/p-c0220784 , it lists response time 5ms in description and 4ms in technical specifications).
I plan to buy this monitor because of the price (it costs something like 300$ while every other monitor of similar price range in USA costs wayyy more here so it really is one of the cheapest 27" monitors available (and that is incuding TN 60 Hz panels :confused: )).


Thank you
 
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There is only one G2750HM. The 5ms is just a typo and I could only see 4ms listed in that first link. As you can see in the review posted above the figures don't mean much really but 4ms is the official figure.
 
I thought so too, because Benq website also lists only 4ms for GW2750HM, but at the moment can buy two monitors, one GW2750HM with 5ms for around 20$ less than GW2750HM 4ms, a bit pricey for a typo :eek:? From further research it does appear like a widespread typo which for some reason affects price... Edit: It looks like just a price increase because pages which listed GW2750HM 5ms (and which were around 20-30$ cheaper) are now being taken down and replaced by all new shiny GW2750HM 4ms :D
 
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I emailed the person at pcmonitors.org who did the review on the GW2750HM asking about its suitability for RPG and MMO gaming and comparisons to the ASUS PA248Q that I had (and sent back today - had a pinkish cast on the right 1/3 of the screen). He replied with this email:

"During transitions between some colours it would be slightly faster and
others slightly slower. In general the differences are not obvious and you
could expect similar performance to the ASUS. I think if fast-paced games
like Battlefield 3 are perfectly playable on the GW2750HM then RPGs and MMOs
should not be a problem. I did actually test a range of other titles not
mentioned in the review including Mass Effect 3 and Portal 2 and never found
the responsiveness let me down in those titles. On previous BenQ VA panel
monitors there was this obnoxious 'smoke-like' trailing that would
frequently crop up on these titles but there was no evidence of that this
time, which is excellent."

Between that and the positive review he wrote it kind of put my mind at ease if I decide to purchase one.
 
Is this monitor's bezel glossy or matte? Also I assume the screen is matte and not glossy...


EDIT: NEVER MIND
 
Jeffredo said:
There's finally a good English review of the GW2750HM. They came pretty much to the dame conclusion that Medion as be saying all along - about as responsive as a modern IPS monitor for the most part, good color and great contrast.

http://pcmonitors.org/reviews/benq-gw2750hm

They recommended it.
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Hmm. Makes me question whether I just got a dodgy unit, or if there are different models going to Europe vs the US.

There was ghosting on mine, even in Portal 2, and although it didn't ruin my experience, it wasn't as good as my old IPS or my new IPS.

I'd be very interested to hear what you guys who are buying now make of it.
 
k9wazere said:
Hmm. Makes me question whether I just got a dodgy unit, or if there are different models going to Europe vs the US.

There was ghosting on mine, even in Portal 2, and although it didn't ruin my experience, it wasn't as good as my old IPS or my new IPS.

I'd be very interested to hear what you guys who are buying now make of it.
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Are you in North America or the UK? The review is from an British site.
 
I don't know about different versions in different places.... If you read the review carefully they said they considered Dirt 3 a better test of responsiveness and there were instances where trailing was worse than on IPS panels. He didn't sound too specific about Portal 2 and Mass Effect in that he didn't say how it compares to IPS in those (they weren't in the review) but said that it was much better than on old BenQ VAs which are really quite bad. I guess the only way to know is to try it yourself as you may well find it just fine for your games.
 
Well, here's a new one. So yesterday I fire up WoW and everything has motion blur. Thinking that my son may have messes with the monitor settings, I head over to the AMA setting. It's on Premium. After playing with it and running it through some tests I come to the conclusion that AMA is no longer working. Off/High/Premium has no effect on ghosting, it's all just horrible. We'll find out tomorrow what BenQ's warranty support is like. I've never had to warranty return a monitor outside of the retail return window, so this should be fun.
 
Medion said:
Well, here's a new one. So yesterday I fire up WoW and everything has motion blur. Thinking that my son may have messes with the monitor settings, I head over to the AMA setting. It's on Premium. After playing with it and running it through some tests I come to the conclusion that AMA is no longer working. Off/High/Premium has no effect on ghosting, it's all just horrible. We'll find out tomorrow what BenQ's warranty support is like. I've never had to warranty return a monitor outside of the retail return window, so this should be fun.
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Sorry to hear that! You know the usual drill with any hardware warranty return - they send you a refurbished one and you hope for the best as far as its physical condition goes. I literally had my finger on the order button over at Amazon earlier today but decided to wait to see if the price dropped more. Think I'll keep circling the airport for a while longer now! :(
 
NCX said:
Make sure motion blur is turned off in WOW.
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There is no motion blur setting in WoW. The tests that I ran were not exclusive to WoW. Monitor is defective as the AMA setting has no effect on ghosting in any setting or application.
 
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