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Assassin's Creed Shadows

pendragon1 said:
i just saw someone theorizing its to push it into, and promo it, for black history month. that would be hilarious.
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Yeah, they are virtue signaling so hard they're not delaying it to make it better. They are delaying it to distance itself from the Japanese Backlash to the complete nonsensical and unhistorical setting. They are changing the sexualities of the characters in the game as well to fit their Inclusive narrative. Its all crap. A black man killing the Japanese in their own country. It's fake garbage. All written for the modern audience. They need to remove the black samurai, but they won't.
 
Hershy said:
Also… about to admit something embarrassing here… I bought Ghost of Tsushima day one on the PC and loved it… for about 5 hours.

What happened… why did I stop… I don’t know. About twenty other games got in the way. Just lack of time, in general.

I really wanted to re-start, but I knew I’d play Shadows day one and I didn’t want to re-start Tsushima so close to Shadows so I reluctantly decided to put off my playthrough of Tsushima until maybe Spring or Summer of next year.

Why am I informing everyone of this? I don’t know. LOL.

Edit: I remember now… it’s because I now have the opportunity to play Tsushima this year, or early next year, before Shadows. I thought you might like to know that. LOL.
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Just play through GoT now, then in 4 or so months play Shadows or sometime later.
 
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Journos are mad. How dare a company listen to their customers.
 
Blade-Runner said:
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Journos are mad. How dare a company listen to their customers.
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I don't see anything in that article that would imply Ubisoft understands the issue. They simply reiterated they want to make the games as broad appeal as possible and are not pushing an agenda, which in corporate speak means "inclusion" and "catering to extreme minorities is normal and not political". If you think Ubisoft will change you're naive.
 
UBI does have an agenda and you can clearly see it in their hiring practices which feeds into the copy paste garbage that they have churned out. If you hire based on skin color or gender instead of skills then you get poor quality products made by people with little skills. If you want their games to get better than stop supporting their cancerous approach to gaming that has clearly ruined their company. They have an apprenticeship program that requires that you be a woman or non binary....Why anyone would pay these jokers is beyond me.
 
Blade-Runner said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUu7-i1kMyg
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They confirmed in the press release that Outlaws under-performed. They are terrified Shadows will bomb, from the backlash or the fact that it's mediocre (or people are burned out on AC).
Ubi has had a string of bad luck in recent years, Outlaws and Shadows will not save them.

The writing is on the wall, in the very near future Yves will be forced out or Ubi will be bought by someone else.
 
Hershy said:
Prove this… that this is what Ubisoft did, I mean?

If you can, then great. I don’t see any proof of this myself?

Ultimately, what we need are more black female game designers.

Black female game designers from Canada. Thank you.
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its posted on their fucking website...
no, we dont. we need talented game designers regardless of color or sex. that thinking is part of the fucking problem.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
They confirmed in the press release that Outlaws under-performed. They are terrified Shadows will bomb, from the backlash or the fact that it's mediocre (or people are burned out on AC).
Ubi has had a string of bad luck in recent years, Outlaws and Shadows will not save them.

The writing is on the wall, in the very near future Yves will be forced out or Ubi will be bought by someone else.
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It is a combination of things, but more than likely it is buggy. A good game that is buggy can still sell well, or at least a popular one. Take Cyberpunk 2077 or Fallout games. Though even Bethesda's luck seems seems to have run out with Starfield, though IMO it is inferior to even Fallout 4.

If Shadows is a generic game, it will probably still sell okay if it is polished. But people are tired of the same bland gameplay, so if it is buggy that combination will sink sales.
 
You can check UBI's site where it clearly states the requirements for the apprenticeship program. They are clearly discriminatory in their hiring practices and it shows in their games. They are going to get eaten alive by their shareholders because most of us have stopped purchasing their games and have downvoted everything they release to the media. Eventually they will be purchased by someone else or they will shut down and sell off their IP's to more competent game studios. Their stock has crashed hard and this game is as good as dead already. It will do worse than Starwars did and that flopped hard enough to shake their stock down 20 percent. Accepting an agenda from people who have the intelligence of a toddler and overpaying for mediocrity is something most of us won't do anymore.
 
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Hershy said:
Ultimately, what we need are more black female game designers.

Black female game designers from Canada. Thank you.
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Why? What advantage would they provide over any other game designers from another gender or ethnic background? What is it that makes you think a black female "game designer" is better than any other? How does this translate into better games?

I'll wait.
 
Blade-Runner said:
Very interesting....even if you take it with a pinch of salt.
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Ghost of yotei announcement took by surprise the video game publisher (Sony) ? The game that was ann9ounced during the sony playstation state of play presentation... a game being made by a studio Sony own.

Not sure if I get what is being meant by that or the idea that there is secret not announced yet Ubisoft game that he could not talk about with a possible 2025 release date...

All of this sound a lot if not all made up, 4chan type people messing with him
 
Blade-Runner said:
Very interesting....even if you take it with a pinch of salt.
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None of that strikes me as surprising or even doubtful or controversial. Especially the "there won't be a message" bait-and-switch plan for future products.

I said that after I went to see Twisters, where the director said there wouldn't be a message, but all of the plot, casting, and dialog supported The Message.
 
cvinh said:
The disrespect and ignorance is astounding shown by Ubisoft. I hope this game crashes and burns.
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It's an Assassins Creed game. It won't crash and burn the way Concord and Dustborn have or the way Unknown 9 will. I'm betting it will be the lowest performing non-mobile title in the franchises history up to this point.

I think it will flop. How badly it will flop remains to be seen.
 
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The torii gate figurine has been cancelled.

https://x.com/PureArtsLimited/status/1846193318742434183

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I'm pretty sure it was unintentional (I'm guessing it was a space-saving attempt to have the rope attached to something but not have to model out an account for a whole bilateral Torii), but its a bad look to have a broken Torii gate in that specific way for a statue when the only real life example is a post-WWII memorial, making it an anachronism in the time Shadows is set.. Lets be honest however, imagine the message quoted was about something else - lets say what if they gave Naoe a "stereotypical anime kunoichi" alternate outfit that was skimpy and historically inaccurate, and then people on "the other side" started hounding the statue company until they removed it. I can guess the "Does everything have to be censored because someone on social media finds it objectionable, complete with white-on-black worded apology picture?" group would be out in force. So lets at least be even about this. I have no problem with them reconsidering it because it was kind of a foolish design, but harping on it too hard when the company isn't even Ubi themselves, gets into a kind of "when WE cry until something is objectionable is taken down and apologized, its great! When THEY do that to things they find objectionable, its the company submitting to whiners" situation.

Dan_D said:
It's an Assassins Creed game. It won't crash and burn the way Concord and Dustborn have or the way Unknown 9 will. I'm betting it will be the lowest performing non-mobile title in the franchises history up to this point.

I think it will flop. How badly it will flop remains to be seen.
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I think this is the crux of it. For many people, it will come down to how fun the game its to play an if they shake up the AC dynamic enough to get people interested again. Stuff like Naoe being able to hide in visible shadow, swing from a grappling hook, an use a Sam Fisher-style ceiling drop etc... will mean more to most who are not either hardcore fans or opponents of the series, hyper online culture warriors, and other niche demographics. Now, "wokeness" stuff may impact people's impression of the game but its always par of the whole - if the game has nothing else to go on and looks bad otherwise then of course its a much bigger issue to the average person if they don't like one story dynamic. It may be a "Well, I didn't like X, but I otherwise liked the game " and if so will sell. Now this does mean that Ubi would be behooved to polish off as much of this stuff as possible, story wise, accuracy, political correctnes and otherwise to give people less to feel meh about.

As far as how well it does will depend on other demographics - I think this is the first major AC game that is not also released on the old PS4/XBOne so that may allow for some technical improvements. Things aren't always exactly fair - Valhalla for instance was by far one of the most varied, content heavy, and had the most well made mechanics of the recent trilogy (Origins, Odyssey, Valhalla) and though it did well, it exhausted people because of those reasons mixed with some other decisions, sadly. That exhaustion transated into less uptake on Mirage which was something of a shorter pallet cleanser more like an old school AC title and different in its own way. It has been quite some time now and Shadows has to be different enough to be worthwhile, differentiate itself from Ghost of Tsushima, while also bringing what AC fans want an don't know they want.... but all of this is predicated on something much wider than Yasuke and a handful of other hot button issues, for better or worse.
 
Dan_D said:
It's an Assassins Creed game. It won't crash and burn the way Concord and Dustborn have or the way Unknown 9 will. I'm betting it will be the lowest performing non-mobile title in the franchises history up to this point.

I think it will flop. How badly it will flop remains to be seen.
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It doesn't need to be as bad as Dustborn and Concord for it to hurt Ubisoft badly. Another flop like Outlaws would probably bring the company down or at least hurt it to the point where they have to sell off because the company isn't solvent anymore. Ubisoft has lost a ton of money on Outlaws already and can't afford another loss like that. While there may be die hard Assassin's Creed out there who will buy the game no matter what, that alone won't be enough to make the game a success. All you need to do to see that is look at Outlaws. It has only sold about a million copies (which doesn't get it anywhere near the break even point.) There was a time when it being a Star Wars game would have sold 1 million copies alone. The fact that it's an Ubisoft title should have covered at least another million. If it had been a good game it would have sold at least a couple million more titles. This is a strong indicator that Ubisoft doesn't have the draw it used to. Add in the very unpopular decisions Ubisoft made with Shadows and you're looking at another giant money loser for the company.
 
Is this a case that actual japanese are just impressed by how much effort the french are making (hiring historian, 9 figures budget, etc...) and people being offended for them (like Ghost in a shell remake) ?

SmokeRngs said:
It doesn't need to be as bad as Dustborn and Concord for it to hurt Ubisoft badly
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Considering the IP, there a scenario where the game is both profitable and catastrophic for them, we can imagine.
 
LukeTbk said:
Is this a case that actual japanese are just impressed by how much effort the french are making (hiring historian, 9 figures budget, etc...) and people being offended for them (like Ghost in a shell remake) ?


Considering the IP, there a scenario where the game is both profitable and catastrophic for them, we can imagine.
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No, it isn't. The Japanese pushed back against the game for a few reasons.

For example, the buildings in the game world would be accurate if the game took place in medieval China, not Japan where the game is actually set. Also, while the protagonist is based on a real person, he was almost certainly not an actual samurai. If he was, it was an honorary position at best which was common for vassals and entertainers of the day. They were allowed to wear swords etc. but wouldn't be expected to fight or do anything a samurai traditionally would. Furthermore, the characters are openly gay or bisexual. This would not have been tolerated in medieval Japan. And if all that wasn't cringey enough, the game originally featured a hip hop theme for Yasuke.

The fun doesn't stop there. Ubisoft probably didn't make this, but they probably had to green light it in some way. They made a statue featuring Yasuke and the other protagonist (the female who's name I can't bother to look up) standing on a one-legged torii gate. You know, like the one left standing in Nagasaki after the US destroyed the city in WWII with a nuclear bomb.

The last part came out a few days before Ubisoft was supposed to present the game at the Tokyo Game Show. Ubisoft cancelled its appearance for a many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that Ubisoft knew they would probably be the laughing stock of the show. Ubisoft also delayed the game. Ubisoft's CEO made some tone deaf statements along the lines of believing that Outlaws disappointing reception came down to the many bugs and glitches reported even in the most positive reviews. (Hell, Outlaws glitch videos are practically their own genre at this point.) Their CEO even admitted that they would normally ship a game and fix it later, but that this behavior will not be well received in the case of Assassin's Creed Shadows since Outlaws suffered so bad for it. Of course, I think the CEO accidentally made a good point here, but its far from the reason why Outlaws flopped and why Assassin's Creed Shadows is also going to flop.

Ubisoft also delayed the game to February 14th, though that's unlikely given their employees have gone on strike. Essentially, Ubisoft suddenly decided that people weren't allowed to work from home anymore. Make of that what you will but a whole lot of internal stuff about the game and the company itself (including financial issues, racist DEI drive agenda's and programs within the company) which seems like an effort to try and stop the leaks from happening more than anything. Ubisoft has also had its minor investors go after the CEO and Tencent for devaluing the company and running it into the ground. Reportedly, the game was pushed to this time period because the CEO needs a win and there are too many games coming out before the holiday season for it to compete against. This is of course nonsense given the sales history of earlier games in the franchise.

It also looks like Sweet Baby Inc. is connected with this game as well which isn't surprising given that it was founded by former Ubisoft employees. The Ubisoft story seems to get worse every couple days or so. It's been an absolute gold mine for the Youtubers. Of course, shills like Paul Tassi over at Forbes are in full damage control and spin mode. They are all but getting caught wiping Ubisoft's jizz off their faces as they try and change public perception. Of course, there are people arguing in this thread (and the Outlaws thread) that the stuff with the company has nothing to do with the game itself. However, I disagree. All of these factors are absolutely going to impact the game's success negatively. They are also strong indicators of how good the game is going to be.

Fans of the series have been asking for a game set in medieval Japan for more than a decade now. It should be the most successful game in the series. Thanks to Ubisoft's increasingly inept decision making at every level of the project, its likely that Assassin's Creed Shadows will be the worst performing in the series so far. Well, not counting the mobile titles. I can't speak to those. The only thing I know is that some 10 more Assassin's Creed games are slated for release over the next five years and many of those are mobile games.

More to the point, not only has the game been crafted to be offensive to Japanese people but the Japanese and a lot of gamers know about all the crap going on at Ubisoft right now. So no, they are offended all on their own but there are plenty of reasons to think this game will be a dumpster fire. Even if it isn't, look at Ubisoft's history of flawed, buggy releases. There is no need to preorder this crap or buy it at full price. Ubisoft games are often dogshit for 6 months or more after launch based on their bugs alone. There is no need to hurry on this one.

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The Japanese are offended all on their own and for good reasons.
I disagree. There is no scenario I can see where the game turns a profit and remains a catastrophic failure. The game cost hundreds of millions of dollars to make.

Opinion: Ubisoft desperately needs a win and they damn well know it. The company has some of the best IP's in gaming but most are languishing in limbo. Ubisoft has bet its entire future on Assassin's Creed as it has 10 games in the pipeline. The series was already heading towards brand fatigue as they used to pump these out like Call of Duty games until they stopped making as much money. Now, they plan on releasing two games a year, though some will be mobile games. There is a new Ghost Recon in development but its years away at this point. It's in pre-production more than likely based on their surveys to Ghost Recon players. If Assassin's Creed Shadows isn't the home run they are hoping for, it could further damage the very brand they've bet the company on.

Personally, I have to wonder if Tencent's influence is driving them into the ground so the company can be acquired for pennies on the dollar and its IP's either utilized by them or sold off at enormous prices.
 
Dan_D said:
No, it isn't. The Japanese pushed back against the game for a few reasons.
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Is that true, would I go to a commercial center in japan, find gamers and ask them, they will push back, it is not just a small "woke" minority of japanese that care about french made pop culture ? Specially when they put a giant amount of effort into it.

Imagine learning Japan were making a game set in the USA, imagine what it would require for you to be offended and complain about it... You live in a place with the biggest movie game industry in the world that make game set in america all the time not really a need to care about what they do, I would imagine same for japanese people they have a giant and superbe collection of homemade product from Kurosawa to modern game studios...
 
LukeTbk said:
Is this a case that actual japanese are just impressed by how much effort the french are making (hiring historian, 9 figures budget, etc...) and people being offended for them (like Ghost in a shell remake) ?
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Anime and manga were and are hugely influenced by French bandes dessinees. France and Japan have a strong cultural camaraderie, not just in terms of comics and animation, but food, music, all kinds of stuff.

If anything, I'd assume Japanese people would be more upset if anyone else made this game, and they're finding out that American and Chinese interests are meddling with this on top of that?
 
I would see if Chinese interest are trying to do tricks via pop-culture to care, I just meant actual regular japanese people being angry that a french studio is making an honest effort in a game set in Japan, that a bit for an American learning an japanese studio is making a cowboy or baseball video game, hiring historian, spending hundreds of millions trying an honest effort to get it right, try to imagine what it would take to offend you.
 
LukeTbk said:
Is that true, would I go to a commercial center in japan, find gamers and ask them, they will push back, it is not just a small "woke" minority of japanese that care about french made pop culture ? Specially when they put a giant amount of effort into it.

Imagine learning Japan were making a game set in the USA, imagine what it would require for you to be offended and complain about it... You live in a place with the biggest movie game industry in the world that make game set in america all the time not really a need to care about what they do, I would imagine same for japanese people they have a giant and superbe collection of homemade product from Kurosawa to modern game studios...
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I don't think the studio's location or country of origin makes all that much difference so long as its done well and done respectfully. Ubisoft has made tons of games set in America or starring American characters. I've never had a problem with that and I'm not sure most gamers would so long as they deliver an entertaining and authentic experience where the latter condition applies.
 
Just that a japanase would care way less what happen around the world than at home an vice versa.

When France make a movie about Celine Dion that get it completely wrong in Quebec we find it funny, a local production we would have higher standard.
 
Dan_D said:
I don't think the studio's location or country of origin makes all that much difference so long as its done well and done respectfully. Ubisoft has made tons of games set in America or starring American characters. I've never had a problem with that and I'm not sure most gamers would so long as they deliver an entertaining and authentic experience where the latter condition applies.
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where do we draw the line on authentic because i'm pretty a man wasn't actually put into a magic dna coma machine to live out a second life of an italian man 400 years in the past who we would discover actually teamed up with leonardo da vinci to fly across a city then fist fight the pope in a secret silo under the vatican then talk to god who can see the future and knows that a man in a coincidentally white sweatshirt will save the world

like that seems pretty inauthentic to italian history, but what do i know. unbelievably, literally everyone somehow missed this historical transgression and the second game exploded the series in popularity to utter acclaim.

at least they had the decency get back on track accuracy wise in the 3rd game and included ben franklin inventing the grenade launcher, which is definitely a thing that really happened.
 
It is about feeling of authenticity, which could bring down for history buff, but need to feel authentic which is a different thing almost completely to be authentic.

Take a movie like Beasts of No nation, there a scene where they drink what seem water bag instead of bottle, that felt authentic to me (easier to ship pouch than bottle), no idea it is the kind of things that exist, after a google it is common in africa:
https://www.alamy.com/bamako-mali-1...appelerdpaalamy-live-news-image224695860.html

The premise is our world ishh in which magic dna travel is possible and a lot more complot behind the scene occured, would Ben Franklin grenade launcher was a real thing but unknown that could still have broken authenticity experience. (He did made some early grenade according to a quick google and was involved in made-sold black powder detonato) , so not sure how impossible trying to make a launcher for it would be or that we would not know about it if that was the case, apparently is grenade were too heavy for a person to throw.
 
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