Assassin's Creed Shadows

Dan_D said:
Ubisoft has long had a reputation for effectively making all their games pretty much the same. Effectively, they all used the same basic open world design for everything from Assassin's Creed to Ghost Recon. Their worlds are often so similar that dropping Nomad from Ghost Recon outside the city scape of an Assassin's Creed game would go completely unnoticed. That being said, I think open worlds are actually something Ubisoft does well. In the case of Ghost Recon Wildlands and to a lesser extent Breakpoint, were served better narratively by having the open world and in those settings it made a lot of sense.

These games are losing popularity for the same reason the CoD games are. The studio is effectively releasing the same game with a different skin year after year. Even die hard fans of the series have felt franchise fatigue with these titles.
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Exactly. I do like how Far Cry 6 had some quality of life improvements when it comes to gun sounds, animations and feel. Likewise for the cars. The shooting and driving has never been better. But aside from that it is generally becoming more of the same. The story writing isn't good, and the gameplay is largely becoming tired. Why do we need to run around and find lootboxes with guns in them? Why does the AI still attack in waves for 3 minutes? There was a mission where they kept coming in the front of a house, where the player has an emplaced machine gun. But to me this feels a bit dated. Why are waves 4-7 still going to the same place where their comrades were gunned down? The whole run around on foot and doing errands is getting stale.

It would be nice if they tried something different. If they knew how to design AI, and dropped the open world bit and maybe made an interesting story for once they could do something truly fun. I'm thinking Far Cry 1 like AI (pre-monsters), map design/approach (open with options, but not open world) with a well written story. Something that calls back to the roots of Far Cry but builds upon it even more rather than the same "hunting", or "crafting" a holster from rabbit hides (lol), and other boring mechanics. They were fun in Far Cry 3 but have become tired now and don't always fit the theme/setting.

That of course applies to Assassin's Creed. The whole black samurai thing is icing on top. Ubisoft was clearly worried that they decided to give a paid DLC away for free. Something is up, pre-orders must have been down by a lot.
 
Flogger23m said:
Exactly. I do like how Far Cry 6 had some quality of life improvements when it comes to gun sounds, animations and feel. Likewise for the cars. The shooting and driving has never been better. But aside from that it is generally becoming more of the same. The story writing isn't good, and the gameplay is largely becoming tired. Why do we need to run around and find lootboxes with guns in them? Why does the AI still attack in waves for 3 minutes? There was a mission where they kept coming in the front of a house, where the player has an emplaced machine gun. But to me this feels a bit dated. Why are waves 4-7 still going to the same place where their comrades were gunned down? The whole run around on foot and doing errands is getting stale.

It would be nice if they tried something different. If they knew how to design AI, and dropped the open world bit and maybe made an interesting story for once they could do something truly fun. I'm thinking Far Cry 1 like AI (pre-monsters), map design/approach (open with options, but not open world) with a well written story. Something that calls back to the roots of Far Cry but builds upon it even more rather than the same "hunting", or "crafting" a holster from rabbit hides (lol), and other boring mechanics. They were fun in Far Cry 3 but have become tired now and don't always fit the theme/setting.

That of course applies to Assassin's Creed. The whole black samurai thing is icing on top. Ubisoft was clearly worried that they decided to give a paid DLC away for free. Something is up, pre-orders must have been down by a lot.
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Preorders are bad. They are something like only 7% of what Valhalla had at the same point prior to release. There is little interest in the game given all the information that's come out about it and what Ubisoft themselves have said. Everyone knows its going to be another woke / DEI infested copy and paste of whatever the last one was with a Feudal China Japan skin on it.
 
Dan_D said:
Yasuke was in fact a real person. However, he was a slave purchased by Nobunaga. His standing as a samurai has never been confirmed. However, what we know is that at the time it was common place for people like Nobunaga to grant honorary status to vassals and even entertainers allowing them to wear swords in public. However, he would not have been expected to fight in battles or do the things that samurai typically did. At some point Yasuke left Japan and faded from history. Basically, historically speaking he was there.
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Yeah, we have Wikipedia too.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
I have thousands of hours in these games, I'll be playing Shadows regardless of how the Yasuke situation plays out.
I just like the sneaky stabby.
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You and literally millions of others. Anyone who thinks that Ubisoft is not going to sell millions of copies of this game is utterly demented.
 

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/RbokgAGz-2A?si=yEe5DcAnGNH9U_3C

The fucking voice of reason.

“Oh no… a black samurai… I… I just can’t handle that… it’s so out of place!

“Oh, wait… it’s actually part of Japanese pop culture?

“Oh, damn…

“Well, then… I better start talking about real history… because… because we all know that the Assassin’s Creed games are historically accurate!

“Wait… what?

“The Assassin’s Creed games take massive liberties with history and aren’t accurate at all…

“And the games even have aliens in them?

“Oh, damn.

“Well, in that case… in that case, I’d better just start screaming DEI… because… because… no way am I playing as a black samurai, even though this character is a part of modern day pop culture, even in Japan!

“I just can’t play this game! Wah, wah, wah!”
 
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Hershy said:

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/RbokgAGz-2A?si=yEe5DcAnGNH9U_3C

The fucking voice of reason.

“Oh no… a black samurai… I… I just can’t handle that… it’s so out of place!

“Oh, wait… it’s actually part of Japanese pop culture?

“Oh, damn…

“Well, then… I better start talking about real history… because… because we all know that the Assassin’s Creed games are historically accurate!

“Wait… what?

“The Assassin’s Creed games take massive liberties with history and aren’t accurate at all…

“And the games even have aliens in them?

“Oh, damn.

“Well, in that case… in that case, I’d better just start screaming DEI… because… because… no way am I playing as a black samurai, even though this character is a part of modern day pop culture, even in Japan!

“I just can’t play this game! Wah, wah, wah!”
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Honestly... You must really enjoy swallowing ... DEI slop. You are the defender of all bad things...
 
Hershy said:

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/RbokgAGz-2A?si=yEe5DcAnGNH9U_3C

The fucking voice of reason.

“Oh no… a black samurai… I… I just can’t handle that… it’s so out of place!

“Oh, wait… it’s actually part of Japanese pop culture?

“Oh, damn…

“Well, then… I better start talking about real history… because… because we all know that the Assassin’s Creed games are historically accurate!

“Wait… what?

“The Assassin’s Creed games take massive liberties with history and aren’t accurate at all…

“And the games even have aliens in them?

“Oh, damn.

“Well, in that case… in that case, I’d better just start screaming DEI… because… because… no way am I playing as a black samurai, even though this character is a part of modern day pop culture, even in Japan!

“I just can’t play this game! Wah, wah, wah!”
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Yeah, I'll come back to the Wikipedia comment in a minute. (That's not where I learned about him.)

In any event, in actual historical records of the period we know very little about Yasuke other than what I said earlier. The lies that Yasuke was a samurai and a more important figure in Japanese history originated from author Thomas Lockley. The BS narrative about Yasuke comes from his book: "African Samurai: The True Story of Yasuke, a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan." This book makes several claims about Yasuke, such as being a samurai and a heroic figure are supposedly based on his own research. The problem is that he has never offered a shred of evidence to support these claims and all of his claims have been refuted by the rest Japanese academic community.

While this clown is an academic, (Associate Professor at Nihon University in Japan), he has an obvious agenda. He's perpetuated this narrative in order to sell his book which is nearly a complete work of fiction. Lockley claimed he had nothing to do with the game, but its been confirmed that he did indeed work with Ubisoft as a consultant. If you still think this idiot is the real deal, he produced a program called: "Black Samurai: Yasuke, the African Samurai Who Served Nobunaga." This program at Nihon university was removed and is no longer available for viewing and the university seems to be distancing itself from him. Lockley even admitted that there wasn't much on Yasuke in the historical record so he made "assumptions" to fill out the rest of the book. This admission comes from a CNN interview with Lockley himself.

Wikipedia was also edited by either Lockley himself or supporters of the book. In short, everyone but you seems to now know that Thomas Lockley is a liar and a fraud. His book is complete fiction outside of the fact that Yasuke did in fact exist.

Here is a great link on the subject from a Japanese teacher. There is a lot of information there but the writer of that lays out actual historical records, talks about historical accuracy in Ubisoft games and speaks about Thomas Lockley's book being a work of fiction. There is literally only a couple paragraphs about the man in actual historical documentation. So how did Lockley write a 400 page book about him?
 
Dan_D said:
Yeah, I'll come back to the Wikipedia comment in a minute. (That's not where I learned about him.)

In any event, in actual historical records of the period we know very little about Yasuke other than what I said earlier. The lies that Yasuke was a samurai and a more important figure in Japanese history originated from author Thomas Lockley. The BS narrative about Yasuke comes from his book: "African Samurai: The True Story of Yasuke, a Legendary Black Warrior in Feudal Japan." This book makes several claims about Yasuke, such as being a samurai and a heroic figure are supposedly based on his own research. The problem is that he has never offered a shred of evidence to support these claims and all of his claims have been refuted by the rest Japanese academic community.

While this clown is an academic, (Associate Professor at Nihon University in Japan), he has an obvious agenda. He's perpetuated this narrative in order to sell his book which is nearly a complete work of fiction. Lockley claimed he had nothing to do with the game, but its been confirmed that he did indeed work with Ubisoft as a consultant. If you still think this idiot is the real deal, he produced a program called: "Black Samurai: Yasuke, the African Samurai Who Served Nobunaga." This program at Nihon university was removed and is no longer available for viewing and the university seems to be distancing itself from him. Lockley even admitted that there wasn't much on Yasuke in the historical record so he made "assumptions" to fill out the rest of the book. This admission comes from a CNN interview with Lockley himself.

Wikipedia was also edited by either Lockley himself or supporters of the book. In short, everyone but you seems to now know that Thomas Lockley is a liar and a fraud. His book is complete fiction outside of the fact that Yasuke did in fact exist.

Here is a great link on the subject from a Japanese teacher. There is a lot of information there but the writer of that lays out actual historical records, talks about historical accuracy in Ubisoft games and speaks about Thomas Lockley's book being a work of fiction. There is literally only a couple paragraphs about the man in actual historical documentation. So how did Lockley write a 400 page book about him?
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tottoriitom on wiki is thomas lockley and you can see all his wiki edits as he tried to push his course and book. its a frigging joke...
 
Hershy said:
You and literally millions of others. Anyone who thinks that Ubisoft is not going to sell millions of copies of this game is utterly demented.
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I'm sure it will, but sales will be down. Ubisoft didn't delay the game by 3 months and give a paid DLC away for no reason. The last time they gave a paid DLC away was with Assassin's Creed Unity, which was extremely buggy and had game breaking bugs at release.
 
Hershy said:
You and literally millions of others. Anyone who thinks that Ubisoft is not going to sell millions of copies of this game is utterly demented.
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Last year's Assassin's Creed Mirage has only sold around 5 million units. Likely profitable, but that's less popular than many other titles in the series that have sold more than double that amount. I have no doubt AC Shadows will be the worst selling in the series. If it breaks 2 million copies sold I'll be shocked. It's likely to sell more like Outlaws than the more popular games in the series. Had they left the woke identity crap out of it and did a better job with the historical accuracy (a Hallmark of the series), it would have been a smash hit even with the dated formula.

And while Assassin's Creed is fictional, many of its settings and historical figures in the past have been portrayed accurately, aliens not withstanding. (That was in the link I posted debunking a lot of your BS about Yasuke which I'm sure you didn't look at.)
 
Ultimately, I think that all the DEI talk is starting to piss off the moderators.

So maybe talk about the actual game and the gameplay… when it actually releases?

Weird concept here: but some of us actually enjoy Ubisoft games, and some of us get tired of seeing the haters crashing every single thread.
 
Dan_D said:
And while Assassin's Creed is fictional, many of its settings and historical figures in the past have been portrayed accurately, aliens not withstanding. (That was in the link I posted debunking a lot of your BS about Yasuke which I'm sure you didn't look at.)
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The games have been off the rails insane since the first one, what are you talking about??

The entire first game is about a literal magic artifact. It's a straight up mind control device. It manipulates reality. You fight someone who uses it to teleport and make you hallucinate.

The second game basically reveals it was created but a hyper advanced precursor to humanity who lost a war to cavemen even though they can literally predict the future. Of course the Pope thinks one of them lives below the vatican so you get into a fist fight with him on a room sized elevator so you can talk to god.

Also Leonardo Da Vinci successfully demonstrated flight several hundred years before it really happened, Ben Franklin invented the modern grenade launcher, and the Templars actually caused World War 2 so they could set in motion and install what is effectively the modern day illuminati.

Almost every historical figure is a caricature, they're all dialed up to 11.

It's literally one of the gigantic overarching plot points of the series. Why do you think the actual Assassin's Creed has "Nothing is true" starting its maxim. You're supposed to be skeptical because information is controlled and the in universe representation of modern history as it's presented to the public is effectively a farce.

Like it's straight up one of the major defining themes in the whole Assassin/Templar thing.

The game generally trying to do the time period justice is completely divorced from being historically accurate. Which is why it's had a warning saying it's historical fiction in every single game for the last 17 years.
 
socK said:
The game generally trying to do the time period justice is completely divorced from being historically accurate. Which is why it's had a warning saying it's historical fiction in every single game for the last 17 years.
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Fair enough.

I was thinking more of the setting, though the characters as I understand it were generally portrayed accurately, aside from whatever context the game uses them in.
 
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socK said:
The game generally trying to do the time period justice is completely divorced from being historically accurate. Which is why it's had a warning saying it's historical fiction in every single game for the last 17 years.
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Except that Ubisoft doubled down on the historical accuracy of Yasuke after receiving backlash that the source in which they got their information from was garbage written by an author that made up 99% of Yasuke's history. This author was also frantically editing Yasuke's Wikipedia page during the debacle, which is absolutely asinine. They also randomly decided to make Yasuke gay for no reason, despite the fact that there's no account of him being gay, but they felt compelled to force an agenda in there. Fans of the game have overwhelmingly stated that they wanted to play Japanese characters in feudal Japan, not a black guy. And it doesn't matter that he's black. The same backlash would've occurred if it was a white guy. I personally wanted to "role-play" as Japanese characters in feudal Japan. That is part of the fantasy in games like this. It's the immersion. Playing as anyone that isn't Japanese in feudal Japan takes away from this aspect greatly. Fans don't want to play as a non-Japanese foreigner, regardless if they're black, white, or whatever. And again, going back to the "historical accuracy," the problem is Ubisoft's fault for being so gung ho about it and then doubling down on it after it was pointed out that the majority of their source material is complete and utter nonsense. Then they received backlash on social media from Japanese gamers as it's a very heated topic about Ubisoft being culturally insensitive with the current problem of violence within the black and Asian communities. There's many of layers of nuance happening here, all of which Ubisoft has completely ignored. The sheer level of tone-deafness on display is staggering.
 
Dan_D said:
Last year's Assassin's Creed Mirage has only sold around 5 million units.
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That was a smaller game that was essentially a DLC that got big enough to sell as a standalone game. From the sound of things it was okay but it didn't quite do the stealth gameplay justice, and had some repeated animations from Valhalla and not the proper stealth movement animations of previous games. So kind of a half baked effort to go back to the series roots of being a stealth game. Shadows is supposed to be a mix, with the big black guy being a brawler like Origins, Odyssey and Valhalla, and the Japanese women being a stealthy character. It will be an RPG (Ubisoft style RPG) like Odyssey. So they're trying to appeal to fans of the old style and fans of the new style, seemingly in one game. But Mirage was a half baked effort.

socK said:
The games have been off the rails insane since the first one, what are you talking about??

The entire first game is about a literal magic artifact. It's a straight up mind control device. It manipulates reality. You fight someone who uses it to teleport and make you hallucinate.

The second game basically reveals it was created but a hyper advanced precursor to humanity who lost a war to cavemen even though they can literally predict the future. Of course the Pope thinks one of them lives below the vatican so you get into a fist fight with him on a room sized elevator so you can talk to god.

Also Leonardo Da Vinci successfully demonstrated flight several hundred years before it really happened, Ben Franklin invented the modern grenade launcher, and the Templars actually caused World War 2 so they could set in motion and install what is effectively the modern day illuminati.

Almost every historical figure is a caricature, they're all dialed up to 11.

It's literally one of the gigantic overarching plot points of the series. Why do you think the actual Assassin's Creed has "Nothing is true" starting its maxim. You're supposed to be skeptical because information is controlled and the in universe representation of modern history as it's presented to the public is effectively a farce.

Like it's straight up one of the major defining themes in the whole Assassin/Templar thing.

The game generally trying to do the time period justice is completely divorced from being historically accurate. Which is why it's had a warning saying it's historical fiction in every single game for the last 17 years.
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The main difference is those were hidden things. Things that could concealed from historical record and weren't in the public eye. That is partially what the plot was based around (denying their existence, hiding technology). Odyssey went off the rails where it incorporated monsters that were more visible to the average person, and people noticing the magical spear of the player so yes the series is now more or less shooting itself in the foot. When it comes to Shadows, well, it is hard to conceal a large black guy in Japan in 2024, let alone when the game takes place. This guy will stick out like a sore thumb, because most of the people will only have seen one black person in their lives (the player) so it makes concealing themselves and disappearing quite hard. I know he is supposed to be a brawler from a gameplay standpoint but it will sill be hard for him to slip in/out of areas without being so easily identified. There would be so many folklore stories about this guy.
 
Hershy said:
Ultimately, I think that all the DEI talk is starting to piss off the moderators.

So maybe talk about the actual game and the gameplay… when it actually releases?

Weird concept here: but some of us actually enjoy Ubisoft games, and some of us get tired of seeing the haters crashing every single thread.
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No, it's the way some people such as yourself are posting, not the content people discussing certain issues around the game, that is what's bad. Gaslighting and constant vulgar, ist, phobe, etc. personal attacks don't make for a good conversation.
 
GoldenTiger said:
No, it's the way some people such as yourself are posting, not the content people discussing certain issues around the game, that is what's bad. Gaslighting and constant vulgar, ist, phobe, etc. personal attacks don't make for a good conversation.
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I think that the moderator has made it clear: talk about the game in question.

This means that if you hate a game that you haven’t even played, and you have no intentions of ever playing that game, then maybe the forum would be best served by you posting about a game that you actually are playing? (This applies to a series as well… if a series has 15 games in it, and you say, up front, that you’ve only played the first, then maybe you shouldn’t carry on as though you’re an expert, when you’re clearly not.)

You claim to want ‘good conversation’. A novel must be read for it to be appreciated. A movie must be watched. A painting must be looked at. And a game must be played.

You’ll never have ‘good conversation’ about a game with someone who hasn’t played it, but wants to tell you, at every turn, that you’ve no idea what you’re talking about.

Clearly we disagree on this. Put me on ignore. I’m doing the same with you.
 
socK said:
The games have been off the rails insane since the first one, what are you talking about??

The entire first game is about a literal magic artifact. It's a straight up mind control device. It manipulates reality. You fight someone who uses it to teleport and make you hallucinate.

The second game basically reveals it was created but a hyper advanced precursor to humanity who lost a war to cavemen even though they can literally predict the future. Of course the Pope thinks one of them lives below the vatican so you get into a fist fight with him on a room sized elevator so you can talk to god.

Also Leonardo Da Vinci successfully demonstrated flight several hundred years before it really happened, Ben Franklin invented the modern grenade launcher, and the Templars actually caused World War 2 so they could set in motion and install what is effectively the modern day illuminati.

Almost every historical figure is a caricature, they're all dialed up to 11.

It's literally one of the gigantic overarching plot points of the series. Why do you think the actual Assassin's Creed has "Nothing is true" starting its maxim. You're supposed to be skeptical because information is controlled and the in universe representation of modern history as it's presented to the public is effectively a farce.

Like it's straight up one of the major defining themes in the whole Assassin/Templar thing.

The game generally trying to do the time period justice is completely divorced from being historically accurate. Which is why it's had a warning saying it's historical fiction in every single game for the last 17 years.
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Nobody has ever argued that the series was ever trying to be 100% accurate. Historical settings have been used many times throughout history in literature and movies as the setting for a fictitious story. The important part for immersion and suspension of disbelief is to make the time and place feel authentic, which is what the games did very well. Including mythological elements true to the settings culture is an effective way to make it feel more entertaining

Da Vinci did design a flying machine, but as far as I know there is no record of one actually being built and tested based on his design. Benjamin Franklin did design a grenade that didn't rely on British black powder. The idea that they actually made more advanced machines goes to the idea of true history being suppressed by the Templars in the Assassin's Creed story, though. They took elements of true history and expanded upon them to make a more interesting story.
 
Blade-Runner said:
And delusional corporate gaslighting apologists reporting everyone they disagree with must be ignored.
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LOL.

I’ve never defended a corporation in my entire life, and if you believe that me saying I like Ubisoft’s games, as a general statement, is tantamount to me ‘corporate gaslighting’ then I’m sorry to say that you’re the one who is gaslighting.

I’ll play this game when it comes out and then I’ll judge it on its own merits, not because it was published by Ubisoft.

This is just plain silly.

(Also, reporting everyone? WTF, dude?)
 
Hershy said:
The US election has nothing to do with Assassin’s Creed Shadows.
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It does, in the sense that the "modern audience" is shrinking.

According to some national exit-poll data, the [Democrat] party’s lead among 18-to-29-year-olds was cut nearly in half. And county data (which are considered more reliable, though still imperfect) indicate that counties with large populations of 18-to-34-year-olds moved 5.6 points rightward since the 2020 election.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It does, in the sense that the "modern audience" is shrinking.

According to some national exit-poll data, the [Democrat] party’s lead among 18-to-29-year-olds was cut nearly in half. And county data (which are considered more reliable, though still imperfect) indicate that counties with large populations of 18-to-34-year-olds moved 5.6 points rightward since the 2020 election.
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Assassin’s Creed Shadows will be sold throughout the world, not just in the US.

The game isn’t going to tank because Donald Duck is the president.
 
Pre-orders are down for this game and pre-orders were available world wide. Again, they didn't give away a paid DLC for free for no reason. They're not giving away $20 worth of content because they can't stop selling pre-orders. The reception has been so poor that they delayed the game and decided to throw in a whole expansion for free in the hopes of getting sales up for a better launch day. I have to assume it was a buggy mess as well because Ubisoft is taking drastic measures. I assume it will work to some extent, people will be more likely to buy day 1 since it will come with more content. But I doubt it will be the massive success you think it will be.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
It does, in the sense that the "modern audience" is shrinking.

According to some national exit-poll data, the [Democrat] party’s lead among 18-to-29-year-olds was cut nearly in half. And county data (which are considered more reliable, though still imperfect) indicate that counties with large populations of 18-to-34-year-olds moved 5.6 points rightward since the 2020 election.
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Honestly, the modern audience never existed in the first place. If audience preferences really had changed that much, all these woke girl boss movies and games would have been successful. The vast majority of them have all been dismal failures. All the election did was shatter the narrative that the progressive left was the mainstream viewpoint. It has emboldened people to speak up and speak out against the radical left. I'll leave it at that for now as I don't want to venture too far into Soapbox territory.
Hershy said:
Assassin’s Creed Shadows will be sold throughout the world, not just in the US.

The game isn’t going to tank because Donald Duck is the president.
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It's extremely immature of you to always call people and organizations things you don't like or don't want to hear about. It's hard for people to take you seriously when you say things like that. That said, I actually agree with you in this case. Assassin's Creed Shadows will be the lowest performing Assassin's Creed game and that has absolutely nothing to do with the US Election. Prior to the election the game's preorders were down to 7% of Valhalla's and there had already been significant backlash from the US and Japan over the game. People know that Ubisoft has ties to BlackRock and Sweet Baby Inc and all of those things are going to hurt sales. As I said before, I don't think it will tank as badly as Concord and it will likely outsell Star Wars Outlaws but I don't think its going to make what it needs to make in order to recoup development costs.

It is going to flop. The only real debate here concerns how hard its going to flop. Anyone that thinks this will make its money back isn't looking at all the facts. Ubisoft is staring down the barrel of another big fat "L".
 
Shadow's under performance has little to do with other things, so stop talking about those things. Again, it was so bad they are giving away a paid DLC for free. I think that tells you how bad it was performing.
 
Hershy said:
You want me to take Donald Trump seriously?

How about, no.
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That isn't what I said.
Flogger23m said:
Shadow's under performance has little to do with other things, so stop talking about those things. Again, it was so bad they are giving away a paid DLC for free. I think that tells you how bad it was performing.
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The reason AC Shadows has very few preorders comes down to the backlash for all the idiotic choices they've made with the game's design. The list of those idiotic choices is a long one.
 
Dan_D said:
The reason AC Shadows has very few preorders comes down to the backlash for all the idiotic choices they've made with the game's design. The list of those idiotic choices is a long one.
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I think there is more to it. I think it was a buggy mess on top of that.
 
Hershy said:
LOL.

I’ve never defended a corporation in my entire life, and if you believe that me saying I like Ubisoft’s games, as a general statement, is tantamount to me ‘corporate gaslighting’ then I’m sorry to say that you’re the one who is gaslighting.

I’ll play this game when it comes out and then I’ll judge it on its own merits, not because it was published by Ubisoft.

This is just plain silly.

(Also, reporting everyone? WTF, dude?)
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The only type of person who claims that the views of others are not valid unless they have wasted their time and money on a consumer product is a corporate shill and apologist. The fact that you like garbage games from garbage companies is besides the point.
 
Flogger23m said:
I think there is more to it. I think it was a buggy mess on top of that.
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I'm sure it was an unplayable disaster. Comments made by the CEO of Ubisoft sound like he thought Star Wars Outlaws under performed because of how buggy it was and probably thinks adding polish to AC Shadows will make it sell better. The issues with AC Shadows aren't at this point about bugs, though I'm sure a super buggy release would only add fuel to the fire. Dragon Age the Veilguard actually doesn't have a mess of technical issues but its still not doing well.
Armenius said:
Nobody knows if it's a buggy mess, so how would that affect pre-order numbers?
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To be fair, it's a Ubisoft game. Buggy messes and Ubisoft go hand in hand. Ubisoft games tend to be an absolute technical disaster the first 6 months they are on the market.
 
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