Are OLED tvs the perfect technology to use as a large pc monitor?

Genuine question , if they can make a 13" screen for the Alienware laptop that I've had open with the windows task bar not moving for days and zero burn in problems , why can't they do it right now for larger screens ?

Still stuck with my BenQ 3201's going on year two , because I can't go back to non 4k for gaming , nor smaller than 32 , and dear god , the colors on my laptop make everything non OLED look like crap in comparison side by side.

I just don't want to baby-sit nor worry at all about any image retention , which again , if my laptop has OLED that can do zero image retention problems right now , why can't larger screens ?
 
Dahkoht said:
Genuine question , if they can make a 13" screen for the Alienware laptop that I've had open with the windows task bar not moving for days and zero burn in problems , why can't they do it right now for larger screens ?

Still stuck with my BenQ 3201's going on year two , because I can't go back to non 4k for gaming , nor smaller than 32 , and dear god , the colors on my laptop make everything non OLED look like crap in comparison side by side.

I just don't want to baby-sit nor worry at all about any image retention , which again , if my laptop has OLED that can do zero image retention problems right now , why can't larger screens ?
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Dell has a 30" 4K OLED Monitor.
https://hardforum.com/threads/oled-4k-30-60-hz-dell-up3017q.1929730/
 
Dahkoht said:
Genuine question , if they can make a 13" screen for the Alienware laptop that I've had open with the windows task bar not moving for days and zero burn in problems , why can't they do it right now for larger screens ?

Still stuck with my BenQ 3201's going on year two , because I can't go back to non 4k for gaming , nor smaller than 32 , and dear god , the colors on my laptop make everything non OLED look like crap in comparison side by side.

I just don't want to baby-sit nor worry at all about any image retention , which again , if my laptop has OLED that can do zero image retention problems right now , why can't larger screens ?
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That, my friend is a major good question. I had forgotten that alienware made it, also glad that you have owners testimony that its not an issue. I remember someone from another site, I believe, pcper, that said the same thing about going back to non oled color intensity. Kinda like having a ssd and finding that you have to go back to a spinning hd. You have just given me a question to hunt down. if I find out anything I'll let you know.
 
It is a good question and I would speculate it comes down to two things. 1.Cost. We know the technology is there. I imagine to do the larger screens (over 40") to them is cost prohibitive currently. They require a certain level of profit so I'm guessing they feel they couldn't sell them at their supposed cost. 2. Demand. I think its their marketing people (or whatever dept that does it) has determined the consumer demand is not there yet. Yeah, we here at HF want it but we are considered a minority unfortunately. So once they figure the demand is there and they can get the price vs profit where they want it then we'll see it. I could be totally wrong though but that's what I'm speculating is their issue about making the product.
 
I really enjoy my C6 LG Oled as a productivity and gaming all in one setup...I keep getting gaming displays, but always end up returning or selling them and going back to the OLED. Once you go OLED black you just cain't go back....however, I have to push this sucker 4' away from my eyeballs, but I like that....I like having an ocean of desk space between my displays and eyeballs :)
 
l88bastard said:
I really enjoy my C6 LG Oled as a productivity and gaming all in one setup...I keep getting gaming displays, but always end up returning or selling them and going back to the OLED. Once you go OLED black you just cain't go back....however, I have to push this sucker 4' away from my eyeballs, but I like that....I like having an ocean of desk space between my displays and eyeballs :)
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How big did you go bastard? I currently am running three, thirty inch monitors in portrait (55 inch diagonal) for my flight sims, X-Plane10 and P3D. Most of my combat flight sims have been moved to the Rift.

I'm four feet, six inches away from the monitors in my home cockpit. Been contemplating replacing the three monitors with an LGC6 Oled. Either a 55 or 65 inch. Just a but worried about the dpi on the 65 inch. I seem to recall from another website that you're into flight sims also.(sim-hq?) I don't play fps games and am happy with 60fps so the 60hz is fine for me. Is the lag acceptable for flightsims? My 1080ti has no problems pushing 5200X2560 so 4k should be no problem.

I was planning on waiting for this years Black Friday before pulling the trigger. Have noticed that there are no new curved Oleds coming to the market so may have to jump in sooner.
 
I'd love to get a C6 but tried getting a p series Vizio 55 as it was on sale for $750, picture has local dimming and ips which looked great but I couldn't handle the input lag which is like 45 on that for full 4:4:4 chroma. The C6 is 34ms I believe but that would be too slow for me too.

The new c7 is 21 which is good enough for me to not be bothered by but why not wait one more year at this point to get one with HDMI 2.1 so I can have 4:4:4 and her at the same time.
 
Until then I'll just keep using my 40" sm40unp seiki which is 4k 10 bit color with 4:4:4. I wish the colors were a bit better but the input lag is superb at least being a true monitor.
 
Bigc208 said:
How big did you go bastard? I currently am running three, thirty inch monitors in portrait (55 inch diagonal) for my flight sims, X-Plane10 and P3D. Most of my combat flight sims have been moved to the Rift.

I'm four feet, six inches away from the monitors in my home cockpit. Been contemplating replacing the three monitors with an LGC6 Oled. Either a 55 or 65 inch. Just a but worried about the dpi on the 65 inch. I seem to recall from another website that you're into flight sims also.(sim-hq?) I don't play fps games and am happy with 60fps so the 60hz is fine for me. Is the lag acceptable for flightsims? My 1080ti has no problems pushing 5200X2560 so 4k should be no problem.

I was planning on waiting for this years Black Friday before pulling the trigger. Have noticed that there are no new curved Oleds coming to the market so may have to jump in sooner.
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55" I have two c6's may sell one of em to get the new C7
 
OLED is really calling my name , what's the smallest LG (or other brand ) atm , ? 55" ?

And again I'm 100% ok with 60hz at 4k , just can't handle large delay , are the OLED's better than the LED's of the past couple years as far as input lag ?
 
Yes, the 2017 LG OLEDs have the lowest 4:4:4 chroma input lag of any TV out there as far as I know. 21ms.
 
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Yes, the 2017 LG OLEDs have the lowest 4:4:4 chroma input lag of any TV out there as far as I know. 21ms.
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Damnit , you likely just got me in trouble with the wife. I'll call it early Father's Day and Bday present combo to alleviate the aggro.

Only thing now is can I arrange the desk and chair to accommodate 55" for main monitor. Assuming that is the smallest from quick glances , 40-48" was what originally thought would be my limit , but those damn colors are calling me.
 
Dahkoht said:
OLED is really calling my name , what's the smallest LG (or other brand ) atm , ? 55" ?

And again I'm 100% ok with 60hz at 4k , just can't handle large delay , are the OLED's better than the LED's of the past couple years as far as input lag ?
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Pretty sure 55" is the smallest they currently make. A shame they don't have a 49" or 50".
 
I had a choice, get a largeish 4K OLED or an Oppo 205 4K BD player.
Tough choice but decided on the player cos it will last up to a decade and TVs change every year.
When I can afford a TV they will be a little more advanced.
£1400 though and no 4K display to use it on yet.
But the audio will be sublime :)
 
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Damnit , you likely just got me in trouble with the wife. I'll call it early Father's Day and Bday present combo to alleviate the aggro.

Only thing now is can I arrange the desk and chair to accommodate 55" for main monitor. Assuming that is the smallest from quick glances , 40-48" was what originally thought would be my limit , but those damn colors are calling me.
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The untouchable black levels and infinite contrast are calling you too ;-0
 
it's been 2 mth. For those who bought the OLED, any image retention. Also for those who support OLED, how do you debunk what this guy say?

 
Happy Hopping said:
it's been 2 mth. For those who bought the OLED, any image retention. Also for those who support OLED, how do you debunk what this guy say?
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Well, there is no image retention on the C7 I use as a desktop monitor.
There is banding though but you can rarely see it for real. I think there are no OLED monitors because of the banding issue, not something else.
It's just as good as my older yamakasi catleap 110hz but with perfect blacks and it is much bigger. The image quality is approximately the same although the LG is much better calibrated from default. The uncalibrated LG C7 looks approximately the same as calibrated Yamakasi Catleap 1440p colorwise.
If it was at least 45" it would be a perfect monitor.
 
I have had LG employees tell me IR and brightness longevity is still the reason there's no monitors at this time. Just because you havent had an issue doesn't mean it's still not an issue. It is - even with the 2017 sets. If you're smart, you can have it work out. Problem is LG, DELL and others don't want a massive problem on their hands when half their customers aren't smart about it.
One LG employee told me about an entire fleet of the TVs getting stuck on the same static image during a firmware flash for a 24hr + period and it permanently ruined those sets.
The manus have to dummy-proof tech to a percentage threshold or else they'll have a disaster on their hands.
All that said, every year is an improvement in this regard. Only a matter of time they'll feel comfortable building monitors en masse.
 
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Every single owner of the C7 that posts on the nets says he has no IR or have never noticed it. I've scanned them all prior to buying it. And now I can say the same - no damn image retention whatsoever. This is not a problem. I use it as a PC monitor and sometimes have the PC on idling for several hours with icons and windows open and the usual PC stuff on the background. No retention. (knock on wood).
My opinion why there are no oled pc monitors is because of the banding. The panel needs to be individually calibrated at the factory to not have the banding with oled technology and that will drive the prices above any reasonable levels. Few people will buy such expensive monitors and manufacturers need volumes to make business on these panels. LG applies an approximate compensational matrix to its OLED panels so that's why people see banding. They can't do the calibration of every panel individually, it will increase the price of the displays way too much.
And the banding on a pc monitor will be even easier to spot, since you sit close to the monitor and able to see any imperfection of the panel clearly. When someone loads a grey pattern he will be knocked down by the mess he sees and the screenshots will be all over internet and the manufacturer does not want that.
So, until the banding issue is resolved there will be no OLED monitors. The image retention is a myth, at least with the newer OLED panels.
 
but what''s the industry trend for the next 5+ years? We are using LED LCD right now for PC monitor. Are we all moving to OLED? I watched those Youtube video, they said 3 out 5 manufacturers are moving to OLED, but they are talking about TV. I don't know if that also means PC monitor
 
The general trend moves towards self-emissive displays, which don't need a backlight. Whether it will be OLED, Micro LEDs, emissive Quantum dots or something else - only time will tell.
 
I talk to a dealer today. I have been buying from this guy for over 20 year. So I trust his input. He said OLED lit is max. out at 800, it used to be 500, but they push it to 800. That means the organic component will wear out in about 3 yr.

Then there is those casino that uses OLED, whatever the screen is white, you can see all those image retention or burn in on the screen.
 
^^ Yes, LG guys have told me they could turn up nits over 1,000 on their screens, but they'd burn them up exponentially faster. As in, another couple hundred nits would cut the life by half or more. Emissive has its Achilles heels.
 
So in the end, we have no good new technology. It seems they either have to fix this, or we have to wait for a no. of years for newer , other technology
 
I think the technology is there but getting it to a affordable cost not only to make but to sell is the problem. They have yet to figure that out. They will in time I believe but time it will take.
 
Every technology has it flaws, but now that I have experienced first hand watching media with my OLED tv and working/playing with my OLED monitor, I just can't imagine, with the current market offers, going back to another display tecnology. Everything seems subpar when compared to an OLED.
 
illram said:
When I see people complain of burn in on OLED's I have to wonder if any of them actually own a newer OLED. I have been using a E6 since August of last year as a gaming TV and PC monitor--so lots of static HUD's for hours and hours, web browsing, etc.--and I see zero IR. If you try and make it happen you can catch glimpses of it, for instance switch to a gray background immediately after having a high contrast static image up for a while, you'll see some IR, which goes away really quickly. But in normal usage it is seriously imperceptible and I can't imagine this IR will eventually burn in (i.e. become permanent) given all the anti-IR tech and assuming you are not a bozo and just leave a static image up for hours everyday all the time for years.

I used to have a plasma too and the difference is night and day. That plasma did, eventually, get burn in, but IR was also way more visible before that happened.
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exlink said:
I have a 65B6P and a 55C6P - amazing TVs. The 65B6P is in the living room and also has a HTPC hooked up to it. Works great; never had an issue with any image retention let alone burn in.
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I also have a 65B6P -- have had for about 9 months -- and I get immediate image retention with high contrast imagery. For example, if I pull up the Amazon app and select a movie to play -- not leaving the app on the screen for a long time but rather quickly selecting a movie and starting it -- I can see the retention/outlines of boxes from brightest parts of the Amazon app on the screen when the movie starts playing. The IR goes away quickly -- maybe within 10-15 seconds, but I don't have to leave the app up for very long at all for it to be retained.
 
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I also have a 65B6P -- have had for about 9 months -- and I get immediate image retention with high contrast imagery. For example, if I pull up the Amazon app and select a movie to play -- not leaving the app on the screen for a long time but rather quickly selecting a movie and starting it -- I can see the retention/outlines of boxes from brightest parts of the Amazon app on the screen when the movie starts playing. The IR goes away quickly -- maybe within 10-15 seconds, but I don't have to leave the app up for very long at all for it to be retained.
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In line with your what you found.
Plasmas have momentary image retention. Its not burn in, it lasts a very short period and affects very little of the experience.

I had a Panasonic plasma which was used for TV and PC.
It was fantastic for the 5 years I had it and has been for the 4 years since with the PC users I gave it to.
It is still in use as if it were a new TV.
I miss it but having migrated to a projector its hard to go back!
 
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Just a question, please : every OLED has this Automatic Backlight Limiter option ??
Thank you
 
insoc123 said:
Every technology has it flaws, but now that I have experienced first hand watching media with my OLED tv and working/playing with my OLED monitor, I just can't imagine, with the current market offers, going back to another display tecnology. Everything seems subpar when compared to an OLED.
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but I can't afford a new OLED say 43" or higher every 3 yr. So I would be interested to see when 8K monitor becomes popular, what technology major brands will bundle with
 
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but I can't afford a new OLED say 43" or higher every 3 yr. So I would be interested to see when 8K monitor becomes popular, what technology major brands will bundle with
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The current DELL 8K looks great and I love that the screen is glossy (like my OLED monitor). The only thing I don't like about it is that they used an IPS panel and I would have loved it if they used a VA panel.
 
What he said about the blue doesn't necessarily apply to LG's proprietary method. LG's are all one color (white) so they wouldn't fade out color wise but I suppose they could dim over time.

I believe LG's workaround is patented so the other mfg's can't make the LG style oled screens unless they work out a deal with LG.

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The higher the density of the FALD the better. The 27:9 versions of this monitor tech are 384 zone, which carries over to 512 on the ultrawide. That is quite a dense array but nothing compared to OLED. As I understand it, even LG's OLED implementation is all white (to get around color fade/burn-out issues), so in a way it is sort of like a per pixel FALD array (8.29million pixels at 4k) which sounds like the most dense possible at 4k and less unless someone invents sub-pixel dimming for some reason someday.

So, these monitors have 384 zones at 27" which increases to 512 zones with the added ultrawide screen width. Many FALD TVs only have 32, 64, 150 zones, so these monitors have greater than than 2.5 times more zone density (256% the zones of a 150 zone array comparing 16:9 vs 16:9) than commonly in high end FALD LCD tvs.

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/samsung-ks9800-series-hdr-led-tv-review
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I doubt we will see a solid, full featured gaming oled for a few years yet. G-sync/variable hz, low response time, low input lag, 120hz+, no banding issues, 1000nit HDR (or HDR premium of 500 nit + .005 black depth for OLED), at 1440p or higher. In the meantime (starting end 2017/beginning of 2018), high density (densely detailed grid of) full array local dimming backlight HDR LCD's with quantum dot filters will be the most full featured gaming monitors, preferably VA ones to hopefully achieve HDR premium label black depth (.05).

Eventually quantum dot tech is supposed to eliminate the lcd part entirely.
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A quantum dot display uses quantum dots (QD), or semiconductor nanocrystals. The quantum dots may emit light, or just convert it, in LED-backlit LCDs. At present, all commercial products such as TVs using quantum dots, and branded as QLED, use them to convert light for LCD backlights, rather than as part of the actual display.
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True quantum dot displays are an experimental display technology different from those existing commercial products. In these QLEDs, quantum dots (QD) or semiconductor nanocrystals could provide an alternative for commercial applications as electro-optical display technology. This display technology would be similar to organic light-emitting diode (OLED) displays, in that light would be emitted on demand, which would enable more efficient displays, and is also seen as the next generation technology after OLED. However, such products are still experimental. The European Commission does not exempt the use of cadmium for lighting to create these QLEDs.[1][2]

Quantum dots in QLEDs could support large, flexible displays and would not degrade as readily as OLEDs, theoretically making them good candidates for flat-panel TV screens, digital cameras, mobile phones and personal gaming equipment.[3][4][5]
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The structure of a QD-LED is similar to the basic design of an OLED. The major difference is that the light emitting devices are quantum dots, such as cadmium selenide (CdSe) nanocrystals.
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Nanocrystal displays would render as much as a 30% increase in the visible spectrum, while using 30 to 50% less power than LCDs, in large part because nanocrystal displays wouldn't need backlighting. QD LEDs are 50-100 times brighter than CRT and LCD displays, emitting 40,000 cd/m2
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So OLED has 2 major problems: the fading or dimming, in a few years AND the burn in or IR. You can count me out on this OLED
 
3. Peak brightness (nits) will never come close to LED. This has big impacts as it relates to HDR.

4. Cost. Especially as it relates to size. Good, FALD 75" LEDs are affordable. OLEDs larger than 65 are not.
 
Dahkoht said:
OLED is really calling my name , what's the smallest LG (or other brand ) atm , ? 55" ?

And again I'm 100% ok with 60hz at 4k , just can't handle large delay , are the OLED's better than the LED's of the past couple years as far as input lag ?
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2017 LG OLED can already do 1080p 120hz. The only thing that prevents it from doing 4k 120hz is because of the low bandwidth in HDMI 2.0. Next year's HDMI 2.1 will allow that dream to come to reality as well as having the ability to do 4:4:4 with wide color gamut.

Hell, they might even release special models with higher resolution than 4k to make use of those insane bandwidth.
 
elvn said:
Eventually quantum dot tech is supposed to eliminate the lcd part entirely.
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These are essentially the same as Micro-LEDs, just with QD added to the mix, much like QD LCD is normal LCD + QD added to the mix.

The underlying tech (Micro-LED) is ridiculously expensive. It is creating a Semiconductor LED for each and every sub-pixel in the display.

There have been demos of Micro-LED, like the Sony Crystal LED:
https://www.cnet.com/news/sony-crams-6-million-leds-into-prototype-crystal-display/
Apple bought a Micro-LED company:
https://techcrunch.com/2014/05/02/apple-acquires-power-efficient-led-tech-company-luxvue/

These should be more durable than OLED, but I expect it will be a decade before they make one in bigger than smartphone size. Expect them to start at watch size.
 
I'm surprised we haven't seen any OLED in the 40-48" range. I have my sights set on the 55" C7, but it's a shame because I'd go for something in the 46-48" range if I could. These were very common sizes in 1080p, but we rarely even see them for 4K, strangely enough.

46" 4K would be my ideal size if I were buying a TV to use for PC related purposes. 46-48" gives you perfect unscaled desktop real estate.
 
SvenBent said:
LED monitors ( not counting OLED) IS LCD. its a led backlight with a LCD filter. isntead of a CCFL backligs and a LCD filter.
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I think he meant the in development tech of QLED as in direct LED powered quantum dot tech without any LCD involved as opposed to QD quantum dot filtered LCD lit by LED backlights (or FALD LED backlights).


https://www.cnet.com/news/how-qled-tv-could-help-samsung-finally-beat-lgs-oleds/ (June 2016)

Two of the big players in quantum dots are Nanosys (used in Samsung TVs) and QDVision (used in TCL and others). Both are working on QLED, though of course are reluctant to share how far they or their manufacturing partners have gotten. Both companies speak of a glorious quantum future of bright, colorful, cheap displays, so easy to manufacture you could put them on a cereal box or make huge 4K displays with the best picture quality you've ever seen. We were promised this with OLED too, though.
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I'm optimistic, however, for two reasons. First, we're already seeing photoluminescent quantum dots used in many TVs. They're becoming the go-to method for getting LCDs to produce wide color gamuts. Second, the architecture to get big flat panel OLED TVs working (which require more current sent to their pixels than LCDs), is in many ways the same architecture electroluminescent QDs need to work as well. Which is to say, OLED research has done a lot of the heavy lifting to get QLED working, without even meaning to.
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We'll certainly see more photoluminescent quantum dot LCDs, but direct-view electroluminescent "QLEDs" are still three to five years away. With any luck this won't be the "three to five years" we heard for over a decade about OLED. Most of the bugs that delayed OLED will help QLED work, so in theory they're fairly close.
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It will be some time yet either way but competition from proprietary LG OLED might help motivate a faster timeline for QLED. Personally I'm planning to be on one of the QD (high density FALD LED Backlit Quantum Dot, as opposed to true QLED) HDR monitors that are full featured gaming monitors for the next two years or more, most likely the 35" VA. A low hz tv lacking g-sync/variable hz and low input lag with other issues/concerns does not interest me for 1st/3rd person pc gaming. I'm on a low density FALD 70" 4k VA tv for my home theatre now as well. It gets around 8000:1 contrast ratio in FALD but it's not HDR. The difference at the time, over a year ago now, was a 55" oled or a well reviewed 70" 4k FALD VA so I opted for tha latter perhaps until a 70" - 75" HDR OLED comes down from astronomical pricing and the tech is proven and matured vs the various issues and concerns brought up in this thread. Looking forward to OLED competition in the future though as well, especially true full featured gaming monitors.
 
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