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another building new pc thread

szanki said:
i've just got an idea that maybe a better choice than buying a 2nd 8800 would be to buy a ps3 since its almost the same price?
because im not sure if there will be any improvements in gaming with the 2nd 8800(im gonna play at 1920x1080 res)
i also got a question i know already that there cant be a sli between a nvidia and ati but can there be a sli between say 8800 and 8600? i mean if there can be sli between a gpu from the same company just different type, because if yea than im just gonna buy a ps3 and then when some new gpu comes out i would buy it
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With current SLI technology, both GPUs must be the same in order to pair them together in SLI. However, i think nVidia might release SLI 2.0 at one point which might have the option to use 2 different cards in an SLI configuration.

Personally, i would just save my money rather than get a PS3. But the choice is completely up to you.
 
i've decided to refresh this topic a bit and get some new advices on the rig i decided to buy next month

so this is what im looking at right now

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail
COOLER MASTER Stacker RC-832-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad - Copper EPS12V 750W Power Supply 90 - 264 V UL, ULC, CE, CB, RoHS - Retail
Logitech G5 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Mouse - Retail
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard - Retail

and here are the things im still not sure about which one to choose

BUFFALO Firestix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

ZALMAN CNPS9500 AT 2 Ball CPU Cooling Fan/Heatsink - Retail
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail

BUFFALO Firestix 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail

EVGA 768-P2-N837-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 KO HDCP Video Card - Retail
BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXOC2E GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail

i also have a question on whether i need anything else than this for my rig in order for it to work?
i really appreciate anyone who replies in this topic and helps me in making the right decision :>
 
That G.Skill RAM you posted (twice?) is only 184-pin so...
Also, i wouldn't get that cooler; it's really not very good compared with others out there (like the Thermalright Ultra-120, for example).

You've missed the GPU off the list; and i'm guessing you'll already have a monitor and operating system, if not then you'll need to add them too.

Other than that, it looks like a very nice rig from what i can tell. ;)
 
Yeah that G.Skill RAM you chose is DDR, so it's not going to work with your mobo.

Is this the G.Skill RAM you were looking for?:

G.SKILL F2-6400CL5D-2GBNQ 2 x 1GB 240-Pin DDR2 800 RAM - $105

If you can find that Firestix anywhere, then go for it. But if you can't, then the G.Skill RAM I selected is still a decent choice.

For cooling, depends on how high of an overclock you want. If you can find that ACF7 Pro for around $20, then go with that. But if you can't, then the Zalman is a pretty good choice.

As for videocards, choose the cheapest one. Both of those cards are overkill as it is.
 
yea ive posted the ram twice
if not g skill then maybe smth else that would suit my rig?
and for the gpu ive put
EVGA 768-P2-N837-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 KO HDCP Video Card - Retail
or
BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXOC2E GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
 
szanki said:
and for the gpu ive put
EVGA 768-P2-N837-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 KO HDCP Video Card - Retail
or
BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXOC2E GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail
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Oh yeah, i must've have missed it. Silly me.

Are you planning on overclocking this rig; if so, how much?
 
im still not sure about if im gonna overclock it or not cuz i have never done it before, but probably yes

for the gpu idk if i should take evga or bfg cuz evga is acs3 but some peple say there are problems with them and bfg is not acs3

for the memory i will order it from newegg and they do have the firestix so i will probably get that one( im getting two of them cuz i want 4gb just to be prepared for new games that will come out:)

for the cpu cooler ive found
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
for 59.99 so its the same as other coolers so ill just take that one

and also how many 120mm fans do i need for my pc and what kind? (i think the coolermaster 832 can fit 9 of them:)
 
szanki said:
for the gpu idk if i should take evga or bfg cuz evga is acs3 but some peple say there are problems with them and bfg is not acs3
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What's wrong with the ACS3 edition? By the way, does any body know of any benchmarks comparing the temperature of eVGA's overclocked ACS3 GTX card compared with BFG's OC2, for example? I'm interested to see if that cooler on the eVGA card actually makes any difference; if not it's probably not worth the price premium. One more thing, is eVGA the only brand who allows overclocking under the warranty?

szanki said:
for the cpu cooler ive found
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail
for 59.99 so its the same as other coolers so ill just take that one
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If you're spending that much on a CPU cooler, i'd get this one.

szanki said:
and also how many 120mm fans do i need for my pc and what kind? (i think the coolermaster 832 can fit 9 of them:)
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I wouldn't overload it with fans to begin with; just get an extra fan for the front (you'll probably have to get a 4-in-3 HDD cage with a fan on it) and you should be set, for now.
 
szanki said:
if not g skill then maybe smth else that would suit my rig?
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G.Skill is fine, just not the one in YOUR post. The one in Danny's post is the one you'd want in your pool of choices, since its DDR2. The on you listed in YOUR post was DDR, which is incompatible with DDR2. So, like Danny said, go with the Firestix if you can find them. If not, then the G.Skill 2GBNQ are still a good choice.

Mansize_tissue said:
One more thing, is eVGA the only brand who allows overclocking under the warranty?

If you're spending that much on a CPU cooler, i'd get this one.

I wouldn't overload it with fans to begin with; just get an extra fan for the front (you'll probably have to get a 4-in-3 HDD cage with a fan on it) and you should be set, for now.
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Yes, I believe eVGA is the only manufaturer who will allow OC'ing, and even changing the stock cooler. XFX has double lifetime warranty, btw.

I agree with Danny and Mansize... don't go for that AC F7Pro if it costs that much. For ~$60, the Tuniq is a much better choice. Other good choices would be the Thermalright Ultra 120, Scynthe Ninja or Infinity, and Zalman 9700.

As for fans... I suggest some Yate Loon fans for the sidepanel... 2 of them ($4 each at nexfan.com). The stacker comes with one drive cage, which has your intake fan attached to it, along with your exhaust fan. Your exhaust fan is also 120mm, so you'll have a total of 4x 120mm fans. If you want a top mounted fan, don't go with a yate loon for that one, since its sleeve bearing and doesnt perform too well when mounted in that position. If you want non-sleeve bearing fans, check out the Scythe S-Flex or Panaflo Hydrowave fans... they cost more, but they last alot longer.
 
thanks to everyone who responded

so it looks like i will get the tuniq cooler since everyone reccomends it

but im still not sure which memory to choose
im going to order all of the parts for my rig from newegg.com and on their site i found that these are the most reccomended memory sticks
Patriot eXtreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC22G6400LLK - Retail
CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 675 (PC2 5400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-5400c4 - Retail
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ - Retail
Patriot 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 667 (PC2 5300) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC22G5300LLK - Retail
and of course they also have the firestix
and i really dont know which of these memory sticks will work the best
(just for the record i am going to buy 4gb of ram)

and for the graphic card im thinking about getting the evga since its better because of the acs3, but it is $50 more than the bfg

i also have a question, is there any reason i should wait another week before i order all of the components? will there be smth new coming out or any price drops? (r600 maybe?)
 
Again, you don't need highly overclockable ram with the E6600. The stock settings are DDR2-533, and if you want to OC to 3.6Ghz, you'll need some standard DDR2-800. If you want to go past 3.8Ghz, then you'll need some highly overclockable DDR2-800 sticks, or simply some faster sticks. The avg OC on the E6600 is 3.4Ghz according to the OC database, but 3.6Ghz is probably the sweet spot... great OC, not so much extra voltage needed, don't have to oc ddr2-800 ram, and it runs pretty cool for its speed.

stock: 9 * 266 = 2.4Ghz, DDR2-533
oc'd: 9 * 400 = 3.6Ghz, DDR2-800
oc'd: 9 * 500 = 4.5Ghz, DDR2-1000 ... you'll need some serious WC for this... or you could lower the multiplier...
oc'd: 8 * 500 = 4.0Ghz, DDR2-1000 ... in which case, you may as well go for the E6420 instead, lol.

Go for the 2GBNQ G.Skill kit unless you have more ambition for a super high OC.
 
There's no list. Make sure you make that wish list public.
 
No it still doesn't work. Are you sure you're copying the link right?
 
Danny Bui said:
No it still doesn't work. Are you sure you're copying the link right?
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well it says its shared so it should work or maybe im missing smth

well here is what i have on my list since it does not work


COOLER MASTER Stacker RC-832-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
AMC 15 ft. Premium Gold Series 1080p rated HDMI/DVI Cable Model HDMI-DVI5 - OEM
ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
EVGA 768-P2-N837-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 KO HDCP Video Card - Retail
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad - Copper EPS12V 750W Continuous @ 40°C (825W Peak)
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600 - Retail
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory
Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard - Retail
Logitech G5 2-Tone 6 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Laser Mouse - Retail
Pioneer 18X DVD±R DVD Burner Black E-IDE/ATAPI Model DVR-112D - OEM
ZALMAN 9700 LED 110mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler - Retail

Subtotal: $2,068.89
 
Danny Bui said:
Still no luck.
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ive posted the list in the upper post :)

p.s. i just thoughh about maybe instead of getting 2x1gb x2 i should just get 2x2gb cuz it would still be the same price

G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
 
szanki said:
ive posted the list in the upper post :)

p.s. i just thoughh about maybe instead of getting 2x1gb x2 i should just get 2x2gb cuz it would still be the same price

G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
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Go for it. Be sure you're using a 64-bit OS, though.
 
so i finally decided to isntead of getting
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
i got
Patriot eXtreme Performance 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G6400ELK - Retail
cuz i heard some rumors g skill had problems with working on 650i board
and there are a lot of good opinions about the patriot
 
szanki said:
so i finally decided to isntead of getting
G.SKILL 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
i got
Patriot eXtreme Performance 4GB(2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC24G6400ELK - Retail
cuz i heard some rumors g skill had problems with working on 650i board
and there are a lot of good opinions about the patriot
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That seems like a good set; good find!
 
Nice choice, just make sure you're using a 64bit OS though.
 
szanki said:
well i was thinking about vista, but i heard that some games are still not working well on vista so i might just end up using xp
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Ok, so in XP 32-bit, you won't be able to use all 4GB of RAM, only like 3.3GB.
 
So if you want to be able to use all 4GB of RAM, then get 64bit Windows XP or 64bit Windows Vista.
 
Danny Bui said:
So if you want to be able to use all 4GB of RAM, then get 64bit Windows XP or 64bit Windows Vista.
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right, also i might just get both and compare which one will be better for me
right now im jsut waiting for newegg to receive the check i sended them today morning and then im hoping i will receive my rig by the end of this week
 
Mansize_tissue said:
Have you ordered an OS yet?
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not yet, because im trying to find a good deal on it, but if i dont im just going to order it from newegg

btw. i have a question about a power protection for my rig, do i really need one, and if yes then whats the best choice out there?
 
For complete protection, look for a 1500VA UPS unit. Though, I doubt your rig will consume that much power, so even a 900VA should suffice. However, its always good to have too much instead of not enough. I have a couple UPS' listed in my sig. I also use tripplite and cyberpower (i think thats the brand... whatever costco sells, lol).
 
Are UPSes really that important? I can understand if there's a power cut it will come in handy; but there are cheaper alternatives for power protection, aren't there? Like a fuse, for example.
 
Mansize_tissue said:
Are UPSes really that important? I can understand if there's a power cut it will come in handy; but there are cheaper alternatives for power protection, aren't there? Like a fuse, for example.
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Most systems will be fine with a standard surge protector. If the power in your home/building fluctuates, you'd need AVR. Again, for COMPLETE protection, a UPS is ideal.
 
enginurd said:
Most systems will be fine with a standard surge protector. If the power in your home/building fluctuates, you'd need AVR. Again, for COMPLETE protection, a UPS is ideal.
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Thank you. 'Guess i'll just get a surge protector, seeing as a UPS would be way out of my price range. What exactly is an AVR? I notice a lot of UPSes come with AVR, but i can't find what it does exactly.
 
Mansize_tissue said:
Thank you. 'Guess i'll just get a surge protector, seeing as a UPS would be way out of my price range. What exactly is an AVR? I notice a lot of UPSes come with AVR, but i can't find what it does exactly.
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AVR = Automatic Voltage Regulation

It basically keeps the voltage within a certain range... it cleans the power coming from the wall. Its usually needed for old buildings/homes, or homes with bad wiring.

You don't really need such a high UPS if your system only consumes 200W. So, figure out how much power your system sucks from the wall, and get a UPS that can handle the load. Use a Kill-A-Watt to figure out how much power its using.
 
i have a quesiton about playing games on a dlp tv, will my steup be able to handle games at a resolution 1920x1080 on a big dlp screen without lagging etc.?

btw, im still waiting for newegg to verificate my check, i hope they will do that by tom and finally ship me my items, because i cant wait anymore :D
 
The 8800GTX you're getting should easily be able to push just about every game out at the moment, with max. settings, at 1920x1080.
 
Mansize_tissue said:
The 8800GTX you're getting should easily be able to push just about every game out at the moment, with max. settings, at 1920x1080.
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thats really awesome but do you know anything about gaming on dlp tv? ghosting etc? because im really scared about that and i really would love to play on my big screen
 
For you to get the full value from your 4G of RAM, you will have to run a 64-Bit OS. The 32-Bit Vista and 32-Bit XP limit you to only 4 gigs of usable RAM system wide. That means the memory of your 8800 GTX is INCLUDED in that. If you go SLI with a 32-Bit OS, that means only 2.5 gig of your sticks will be utilized!

Unless you are going to do some SERIOUS OC'ing, the DDR2 800 RAM is overkill. The E6600 has a FSB of 1066, so to get the full value of your RAM, you have to overclock the FSB to a whopping 1600 and have a mobo that would support that much! 533 speed RAM would have been sufficient to meet the 1066 FSB. But since you are going to do some moderate OC'ing 667 or 675 speed RAM would have been enough.

Nice pick on your mouse and keyboard. Overall, it is going to be a nice rig that should last you a couple years. Unless of course you insist on running the absolute latest tech.

I know that you are dying to use your 37" DLP TV, but you will get a better picture using a smaller monitor. You are going to be running a resolution of 1920x1080 which is roughly the native resolution of a 24" widescreen monitor. While everything will look bigger, any small flaw or graphic inconsistancy wil be magnified and much more noticable. A despite what all the LCD loyalists say, a CRT monitor will provide the best picture and generally give you more resolution choices. You can still get some 22" and 24" CTR's, but they are HEAVY!
 
CallMeSingleDad said:
Unless you are going to do some SERIOUS OC'ing, the DDR2 800 RAM is overkill. The E6600 has a FSB of 1066, so to get the full value of your RAM, you have to overclock the FSB to a whopping 1600 and have a mobo that would support that much! 533 speed RAM would have been sufficient to meet the 1066 FSB. But since you are going to do some moderate OC'ing 667 or 675 speed RAM would have been enough.
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DDR2-800 can also come in useful even if only a moderate CPU overclock is desired. The multiplier can be reduced to 8x with an FSB frequency of 400Mhz (in a 1:1 ratio with the memory frequency); this should yield greater performance than reaching 3.2Ghz with a 9x multiplier and a lower FSB frequency.

CallMeSingleDad said:
I know that you are dying to use your 37" DLP TV, but you will get a better picture using a smaller monitor. You are going to be running a resolution of 1920x1080 which is roughly the native resolution of a 24" widescreen monitor. While everything will look bigger, any small flaw or graphic inconsistancy wil be magnified and much more noticable. A despite what all the LCD loyalists say, a CRT monitor will provide the best picture and generally give you more resolution choices. You can still get some 22" and 24" CTR's, but they are HEAVY!
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Plus, jaggies will be exaggerated due to the larger pixel pitch. This will become more of a problem when your graphics card struggles to run high levels of AA in games.
 
DLP? bleh... I doubt it will look good, but thats just me. If I didnt like the picture of a movie on a DLP, I doubt gaming on it would be better. Basically, what mansize said is true.

DDR2-800 isn't overkill, its just higher end. I'd consider DDR2-1000/1066 overkill. As mansize pointed out, 3.2Ghz is a moderate OC, which should be easily attainable with an E6600 and 8x multiplier. If you want to go a little further, just raise that multi to 9x, and you'll have 3.6Ghz... which is a very possible, stable OC on an E6600.
 
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