AMD Next Generation ATI Radeon Eyefinity Technology

Kenjiwing said:
Id be much happier if they were releasing something like physx instead of something like this.
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I would have to say this has a lot more use reach than physx currently. The games that physx supports, the change is generally small, and not game play changing.

However, I can see multi-monitors becoming even more mainstream, simply because a lot of people who are not [H]ard, use it in work enviroments, and will be quick to pick up on it in any setting.
 
rUmX said:
I totally agree. Until we get monitors with extremely thin bezels (say 2mm) I'm holding off.
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Yep, I'm happy with my Dell 3007WFP-HC for my desktop use, and a projector for super-large-screen gaming myself :).
 
I love the technical aspect of it. Great to see some change in a good direction. Tripple monitor is something I wanted to "try" for a while now but never got around to getting the hardware. Having the feature present on my next video card would push me to test it out instead of complaining about the downsides of multi-monitor gaming.
 
yep this is definitely a progressive concept. Advances are being made with outside-the-box cognition and this will probably lay the foundations for more advances in the near future. It is an exciting thing for a tech nerd indeed ;)
 
Not gonna happen for me, not for gaming anyway. Having my beautiful game split up like that, even with a tiny bezel, I'd still see it. Hell no.

Bring on the real deal. Maybe something like this, but bigger and more of a wrap around.

I can wait.

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Before I get the reply's, I did say "like" this, I know this actual NEC product wouldn't be the thing for us gamers, its just not [H] enough.
 
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A lot of you are talking as though bezels won't get any thinner. The more people want this, the faster the bezels disappear. Also, keep in mind that you have to imagine the kind of power to push playable framerates at what is a NATIVE resolution comprised of multiple screens. That's incredible.

So, IMHO, you either get super high resolution, super large monitors, or bezel-less monitor designs. My bet is on the latter. Who wouldn't want affordable, 5 or 6 foot wide gaming? Let's see a console do that.
 
3 x 22" displays and vesa wall mounts is like $350+$50, which is awesome price for 40ish" 3150x1680 display.
 
sizzlemeister said:
A lot of you are talking as though bezels won't get any thinner. The more people want this, the faster the bezels disappear. Also, keep in mind that you have to imagine the kind of power to push playable framerates at what is a NATIVE resolution comprised of multiple screens. That's incredible.

So, IMHO, you either get super high resolution, super large monitors, or bezel-less monitor designs. My bet is on the latter. Who wouldn't want affordable, 5 or 6 foot wide gaming? Let's see a console do that.
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QFT! ATI Eyefinity opens a whole new market, since triplehead is going mainstream. :D
 
SCSI-Terminator said:
Thats exactly what I was thinking. Screw monitors and their bezels. Use projectors, and butt those screens right next to each other with no bars inbetween.

I'm also wondering, at some point the screen becomes so large that it extends beyond your peripheral vision, at what point is the screen (and I know its blasphamy to say it) big enough?

We don't need bigger monitors, we need monitors with more DPI.
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Screw monitors and screen projectors, lets have retinal projection! :D

Seriously though, it would be the display tech. Imagine full field of vision, head tracking. You'd be in that fighter jet cockpit. Now that I can't wait for.
 
Thin bezels? Eh, I'm not going to wait for a manufacturer to do that. I'd rather take the bezel off myself.

I'm thinking...... 3x22" vertically, no bezels..... mmmm.... cheap & lots of pixels!

Every other year I upgrade my graphics card. Looks like next year will be a good year! This should be great if they can squeeze it into a single PCI-E slot.
Guess the wife will get my Asus 25.5" screen much sooner than expected!

Go AMD!!!
 
I'm drooling over the prospect of a triple monitor set-up. Wow, I haven't drooled over a hardware announcement in years, and even then it was unfounded and naive (read: I was young). Single card, triple-head with native spanned-resolutions in games? That's crazy cool.

And, honestly, the bezels on my twin LP2065s don't bother me a bit as is.
 
J Macker said:
Thin bezels? Eh, I'm not going to wait for a manufacturer to do that. I'd rather take the bezel off myself. !!
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I'd be carefull with that...LCD's need the bezels on all 4 side, it's not just a "frame" for the display...there are electronical connections all round the egdes of the display.
 
shadow74205 said:
Hey, Kyle. I'm curious. Did AMD say if Eyefinity will work in conjunction with Crossfire? I can imagine that with that many pixels, not all games may run as smoothly as WoW. This is truly awesome stuff, though. Geez, now what am I going to do? I wanted to get a solid state drive, but now I'm tempted to get one of these cards and a couple of monitors. Being a computer geek with very little disposable income really sucks. :(
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At launch Eyefinity will NOT support CrossFire. No CF is currently only a software hurdle. The cards do support it, but the software is not finished yet, but will be soon.
 
Stay on topic! Or go post your own thread.
 
Definitely interesting.

I won't be moving to multiple monitors myself. I am sticking with a single 1920x1200 LCD. I am looking forward to ditching multi-GPU to return to a single strong GPU with the HD 5870.

One day when multi-GPU rendering is done more at a hardware level, I may be interested in returning to it.
 
Hi Kyle!


Any impressions on Performance and IQ from what you've been able to see? Do you have a feel to how the cards should perform on a single monitor?
 
“Samsung has worked tirelessly to give consumers high-quality monitors that deliver both superb image quality and amazing design and ergonomics, and with our latest line of ultra-thin bezel displays, we’re bringing the best of both worlds to bear for a phenomenal computing experience using PCs with ATI Eyefinity technology,” said Young Bae, Director of Display Product Marketing for Samsung Electronics America, Information Technology Division. “Samsung’s ultra-thin bezel displays combined with ATI Eyefinity technology gives PC users a virtually seamless canvas on which to enjoy the latest games, entertainment and productivity applications.”

so there are special monitors coming for this tech
 
Kyle, i saw the screen shot on the earlier page showing the resolution settings, but do you have the resolution and FPS that the games were running at like you usually in your non NDA reviews?

ex 7680x3200 1xMSAA 16xAF and running 60 FPS?

or is that NDAish?

And does this mean we can play Crisis at 60 FPS on 7680x3200 too? :D
 
Atech said:
I'd be carefull with that...LCD's need the bezels on all 4 side, it's not just a "frame" for the display...there are electronical connections all round the egdes of the display.
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Ever have a laptop screen apart? The connectors on the edges could be flexible like laptop ones and bring the bezel down to pretty much nothing.
 
Multi-monitor gaming will always be a niche. Gaming on two monitors typically sucks, and while 3 monitors might be nice (and is enabled by this new feature), anything larger is a waste for gaming. The reason is, once you get beyond a single row of monitors, things start to get clunky, ugly and overpriced.

1. Any more than a single row of monitors means you have to create or buy a custom support structure to hold the monitors (yeah, they're lighter than CRTs, but they still weigh quite a bit). This means LOTS of money out of your pocket to buy something prefabed, or a smaller amount of money if you do it yourself.

2. I noticed that every screen installation uses panels arranged on a flat plane - this is because you would see ugly POV distortion if you angled the displays, as the same 3D window is displayed across all monitors. This isn't going to work with people who already use multiple monitors for productivity purposes, unless you like the idea of maneuvering X number of displays every damn time you want to switch between gaming and work.

People using multiple monitors for work angle them around a single point (their head) to reduce neck strain and minimize distance from information, but you just can't do that with a 3D viewspace stretched over multiple monitors (not without getting motion sick). Making it work would need custom support for multiple angled displays in the game engine itself, and you would have to provide precise 3D coordinates of your monitor to the game engine. This is why ATI took the easy way out and used a flat plane.

3. Anything with more than one row becomes a grid of ugly bezels. That is just annoying, no matter what you are doing with the screens. Once the "wow" factor wears off, you'll just be seeing the bezels.

4. You can get the same large screen area with a TV or projector, all without the expensive/complicated mounting hardware or the bezel effect. The projector is also the most portable of the three options.

When you consider that the six 30" monitors (3x2) featured in the article will cost you OVER SIX GRAND, you realize that large TVs and high-end projectors are quite cost-competitive. And if you think the super-high 7680x3200 resolution makes that much of a difference, just turn-on edge-detect AA and watch the jaggies go away.
 
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No thanks on any size of bezel. 2mm still isn't thin enough to be overlooked while gaming (only speaking for myself here people).

What this does get me excited about is the following:

1) These cards have got to be absolute monsters, performance wise. I've been looking up leaked specs over the past few days and people are saying these things are quadrupling computations to like 2 - 4 gflops. It makes me wonder what ATi will be able to offer in the $75 to $100 price range.

2) If they can pump out graphics chips with this kind of horsepower it get's me excited to see what they'll be sticking in the next xbox. By the time xbox 3 comes out they're going to have something even more powerful.

3) Could this much power be used to enhance games in some other way than visual quality? Batman: AA has physix running on it and the cape does help to get you more immersed in the game. Are we about to see a huge step forward in physics processing with this release? Even if not from ATi I wonder about nVidia.

4) Programs like folding@home and video compression and all that good stuff could see huge improvements with this card. It'd be awesome to be able to compress a BluRay in like 20 minutes :).


I'm not excited about the multimonitor setup, but I am very excited about this card. I hope nVidia brings something good to the game as well.
 
martinmsj said:
Hi Kyle!


Any impressions on Performance and IQ from what you've been able to see? Do you have a feel to how the cards should perform on a single monitor?
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I would guess up to 2X, about all I can say.
 
defaultluser said:
Multi-monitor gaming will always be a niche. Gaming on two monitors typically sucks, and while 3 monitors might be nice (and is enabled by this new feature), anything larger is a waste for gaming. The reason is, once you get beyond a single row of monitors, things start to get clunky and ugly.
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I'm unsure how exactly you know that anything above 3 monitors is "a waste for gaming", as you've never tried it. Looking at the pictures there, the 6+ monitor setups, while admittedly expensive and more of a dream, is sickening. I would absolutely love to have this setup, and the "niche" market may become more broad because multi-monitor gaming now appears to be a lot easier.
 
this would be great for me with 3d modeling. Being able to model in the middle then having various sides of a reference shot on the others.

Also 3 projectors and a combat flight sim anyone, oh yeah.
 
It's brilliant by AMD, The prestanda boost of this generation was more or less not needed with current game development crippled by console limitations.

Now the horsepower will be needed to drive the higher resolutions.

Kyle, I sure hope we'll see any of the odd resolutions like 7680x3200, 3240x1920 and 4800x2560 in the [H] reviews of these cards :)
 
An important question I can't believe hasn't been asked:

Will this work with Crossfire enabled?
 
I just can't understand why they are doing this now... it's easy to implement comparing to most other innovative technologies. Maybe the Radeon 5xxx series isn't that of a big step compared to the 4000 series, so they have to push for new eye catching marketing ideas :eek:

It's more than welcome thought ... at last :)
 
CHAoS_NiNJA said:
An important question I can't believe hasn't been asked:

Will this work with Crossfire enabled?
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Read the article.

Yes, but not right away. It's a software issue right now and it will be resolved soon.
 
Multi-monitor gaming will always be a niche. Gaming on two monitors typically sucks, and while 3 monitors might be nice (and is enabled by this new feature), anything larger is a waste for gaming. The reason is, once you get beyond a single row of monitors, things start to get clunky and ugly.

1. Any more than a single row of monitors means you have to create or buy a custom support structure to hold the monitors (yeah, they're lighter than CRTs, but they still weigh quite a bit). This means LOTS of money out of your pocket to buy something prefabed, or a smaller amount of money if you do it yourself.

2. The monitors in your article are all in one flat plane, because a curved mounting would make the single stretched 3D view window look distorted (and cause motion sickness). The thing is, people who already use multiple monitors for work angle the displays around their head (to reduce neck strain, and to get as close to the data as possible).

You could correct for the strange angles of your monitors, but that would require native support from the game engine. The game engine would have to account for the exact position and attitude of each monitor in 3D space, and produce a different view window for each. But that doesn't work with a hack like this, so ATI said "screw it," and put all the monitors on a single plane.

So, people could just put up with re-angling every single monitor every damn time they want to play a game...right. I'm sure that won't get old fast.

3. Anything with more than one row becomes a grid of ugly bezels. That is just annoying, no matter what you are doing with the screens. Once the "wow" factor wears off, you'll just be seeing the bezels.

4. You can get the same large screen area with a TV or projector, all without the expensive/complicated mounting hardware or the bezel effect. The projector is also the most portable of the three options.

When you consider that the six 30" monitors (3x2) featured in the article will cost you OVER SIX GRAND, you realize that large TVs and high-end projectors are quite cost-competitive. And if you think the super-high 7680x3200 resolution makes that much of a difference, just turn-on edge-detect AA and watch the jaggies go away.
 
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