AMD crowd-sources evidence for the fast-emerging 500-series chipset USB issue

sabrewolf732

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I read the entire Reddit thread. Summary:

The sad thing is that this has been known about on the 400 series chipset in 2019. This isn't a new thing, they just don't seem to care.


People have been gimping their system by reverting to PCIe 3.0 in the bios, which seems to be legit workaround. A couple of people said that: "AGESA 1.2.0.0 fixes the problem" ( ie. they can go back to using PCIe 4.0 ).


What's really sad is reading about: people selling their AMD systems and "going back to Intel", or spending 30 hours to figure out that the solution was to revert to PCIe 3.0, or RMAing all kinds of things that didn't need RMAing.


I mean... I'm using a ( eleven years old in March ) i7-860, GTX 780, which although aging, works fine still and everything worked out of the box, to the point that it was plug and play, which was weird. ( I've been PC gaming since there was PC gaming 1989 - Xenon 2 Megablast ).


I have to pick up a 5900x in 8 hours from Canada Computers because they last time I built an AMD was the Athlon 64 x2 4400... 15 years ago and the heat generation was so nuts that I decided that would be the first and last AMD build ( ie. never again ).

And here we are... 15 years later and people are still talking about AMD shitbox graphics drivers.

I dunno how people can be OK with running companies where the public reputation and legacy is for making shitbox drivers? One would have thought that this kind of thing would have been hammered out over the span of 15 years but I guess not... add some fucking QA QC already?

You guys can just roll into your local MicroCenter but in Canada the shelves are bare and backorder takes a couple of months+

Lol, I mean this post has already been replied to but I'll chime in...the heat generation of the 4400 was so nuts compared to what? A single core athlon 64? Certainly not the pentium D. Intel has had plentyyyy of shortcomings and bugs. FUD is fud.

Bugs suck and solutions need to be found. I had black screens with the 5700xt for the better part of a year before a solution presented itself. AMD needs to fix these issues.

Saying things like "Intel doesn't ever have issues" is nonsense though. Quirks and bugs with bleeding edge hardware is not uncommon, and dare I say it, todays new hardware has far less issues than we did 10 to 15 years ago when I first started building PCs.
I "upgraded" from an entry-level x370 to an entry-level 570x last week. In addition to this potential USB issue, I've found nothing but detractions from the 4 year-old x370 I was using previously. Slightly lower overclocking headroom (on my 3600), slightly less stable memory timings, and worse, multiple cost-cut features. All for 30% more in price.

I won't likely until I do my next set of upgrades see any of the PCI-E bandwidth improvements, at which point, I'll probably upgrade my mobo again. The only thing the 500-series gets me is a path to Zen 3 (although I'm hearing x370s may support Zen 3 shortly). Largely, moving to 500-series was a waste for me.

I mean that really sounds like poor research on your part. What board are you running?
 

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Check for "zombie" USB devices. I've had USB devices go into a corrupt state where they take down the entire USB subsystem, or cause erratic behavior like slow speeds or new USB devices not enumerating properly. This tends to happen with USB devices that remain plugged in for extended periods of time, especially storage devices.

I can't tell you how many "emergency" calls I've gotten with malfunctioning or slow computers from customers that turned out to be a flash drive stuck in the back of their system that they had forgotten about months ago. The flash drive will eventually go into a state of funk and cause the entire computer to go haywire.

Also check that the port isn't fouled up, ESPECIALLY on newer USB 3.x ports like the shitty USB-C connector. The contacts eventually get tarnished or dirt packed into them and intermittent connectivity issues. I've seen USB 3.x devices fall back to 2.0 compatibility mode due to bad connections and be really slow. Even the contacts on the device itself can get fouled up. I keep a can of Deoxit Gold G5 on hand for tarnished connectors and it does amazing work restoring electronic gear with worn/dirty/tarnished contacts.

Thanks.

Unfortunately, I've tested with nothing there but my mouse and keyboard.

Doing a flashback to the previous BIOS version (Agesa 1118C) seems to have given me back 40MB/s write.
 

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I've had off and on issues with my mouse being recognized. For a while my Corsair AIO disconnected frequently. That's been fixed as far as I can tell.

Taichi X570 and 5800X. The latest bios appears to be much better and I haven't had issues lately.
 

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So you think you got a poorly performing budget motherboard because AMD forced PCIe 4.0 upon the motherboard manufacturer?
The politics of what Intel forced on motherboard manufacturers is irrelevant to me as an end user. All I know is the Gigabyte x570 Gaming I bought today lacks useful features that the Gigabyte x370 Gaming I bought for 20% less had 4 years ago. Same goes for Asus and MSI.
 

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The politics of what Intel forced on motherboard manufacturers is irrelevant to me as an end user.

Who's talking about Intel?

All I know is the Gigabyte x570 Gaming I bought today lacks useful features that the Gigabyte x370 Gaming I bought for 20% less had 4 years ago. Same goes for Asus and MSI.

And you think that's all because of the x570 chipset?
 

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The politics of what Intel forced on motherboard manufacturers is irrelevant to me as an end user. All I know is the Gigabyte x570 Gaming I bought today lacks useful features that the Gigabyte x370 Gaming I bought for 20% less had 4 years ago. Same goes for Asus and MSI.
I’m curious what those features are? I’m building out a few systems and was looking at the gigabytes and don’t want to find them lacking.
 

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I’m curious what those features are? I’m building out a few systems and was looking at the gigabytes and don’t want to find them lacking.

With Gigabyte at least, there is a fairly clear transition between their higher-end motherboards and their budget motherboards. They tend to use the "Aorus" branding on their good boards, but not on their budget boards.
 

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The politics of what Intel forced on motherboard manufacturers is irrelevant to me as an end user. All I know is the Gigabyte x570 Gaming I bought today lacks useful features that the Gigabyte x370 Gaming I bought for 20% less had 4 years ago. Same goes for Asus and MSI.
you mind specifying all the "useful features" that they cut from current MB's?
 
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I've had off and on issues with my mouse being recognized. For a while my Corsair AIO disconnected frequently. That's been fixed as far as I can tell.

Taichi X570 and 5800X. The latest bios appears to be much better and I haven't had issues lately.
For me it is my wireless XBox reciever. It just winks out and then stays that way until I unplug it and plug it back it in. No rhyme or reason, but dmesg shows an error in negotiating the endpoint.

Gigabyte Aorus Master x570.
 
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