GoldenTiger
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How come that when Nvidia fucks up, Nvidia users get angry at Nvidia
...but
When AMD fucks up, AMD users also get angry at Nvidia.
LOL....
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How come that when Nvidia fucks up, Nvidia users get angry at Nvidia
...but
When AMD fucks up, AMD users also get angry at Nvidia.
So I have these 2 7970's and also have 2 580's... Just trying to decide what to keep. As some of you know in my other post I use a PLP monitor setup. With the 7970's I Can do that keep crossfire and not require another card. However, with the GTX 580's I have to use another card and also with my board I have to sandwich both 580's together compared to on the 7970.
You could always sell your 7970's and 580 gtx's and buy an Asus mars 580 SLI card.
That way you dont have to sandwitch anything together
Did you even read the article? AMD kept saying they would send the CFX driver to hardocp.
They are still waiting for this day.
If AMD had a CFX Driver, why would they tell Hardocp, they would have the driver for at a certain date, and keep stalling if the CFX driver is already out?
To Whom it may concern as I think this could be a driver issue. Sometimes, when my machine has been idle, and actually, thinking of it now, it's somewhat a high percentage. I will return to the machine and any windows I had left open, example, Firefox. that window will be blacked out and unresponsive. I am however able to close it out without getting an error message of any kind. Another thing is that the cards fan will have a pulsing behavior in that, again, after I've left the machine idle for any length of time, I will return to find the fan on the card gently speeding up and then slowing down. What I refer to as a pulsing sound. It's not too radical so I've not put much thought into it and the two issues combined have never caused a complete lock-up. I wanted to mention this as I attribute this behavior to a new product and, potentially, buggy drivers.
While I know the current driver issue is annoying especially with very very expensive new hardware, I cannot imagine for one moment AMD would skimp in this area. None of us outsiders really have a clue on how fast the AMD ship is going down, but we can all agree that with all the restructuring, firings and people being shuffled around, that it does make for some tense thoughts and worries. Lets hope they have dedicated in house people working on these drivers daily and that the delay is just a result of the difficulty of a new architecture and NOT them being cheap and cutting corners. Only AMD and God knows the answer to that.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. CFX definitely works on the 7970, the article leads one to believe that it doesn't work period. I think there are a couple of applications with improper scaling, Kyle could have perhaps better clarified that.
There are many users of CFX @ ocn and many CFX reviews. Personally the only game I found with CFX issues was witcher 2, most other games are fine. I'm not defending AMD here, they should really ensure that nearly all games work in CFX, when clearly a few don't.
I think there's a misunderstanding here. CFX definitely works on the 7970, the article leads one to believe that it doesn't work period. I think there are a couple of applications with improper scaling, Kyle could have perhaps better clarified that.
There are many users of CFX @ ocn and many CFX reviews. Personally the only game I found with CFX issues was witcher 2, most other games are fine. I'm not defending AMD here, they should really ensure that nearly all games work in CFX, when clearly a few don't.
But when you combine the best single GPUs in multi-GPU you can get some stunning performance. SLI turns 8 this year and I think it's to the point where it's quite dependable, it definitely will more often than not deliver even better than tomorrow's single GPU today.
Never going back to single GPUs probably as long as it works as well or better as it does today, at least today's SLI.
Another thing I find annoying is the separation of CAP profiles and drivers. Honestly, I think this is annoying and probably confusing for some, when you go to some other forums you see users trying to "mix and match" different driver releases with different CAP profiles.
They should just merge them into drivers like nvidia does.
Two things AMD should do IMO:
1) Really improve their community website. If you look at the website, there's a GREAT community there and end users have an open line to developers at NV. If there's a driver problem, users can report it there and NV devs will actually respond at times to the issues.
2) Again, get rid of CAP profiles. Merge them into driver releases. Again, this is just annoying to deal with. A merged driver/profile is just easier to deal with.
3) Back to #1, I think this is why many users really like NV. I like NV as well, I still have my 580s - I love their community website. And its a great place to report problems and such, and many times you can get an answer from a dev. Hardware wise, I think the 7970 really stomps the 580 when overclocked, and it would be sad to see AMD not take advantage of the great hardware with poor crossfire support.
To each his own. Enjoy
I based my purchase of two GTX 580 cards on the info I was reading about drivers for the AMD camp. I have had Nvidia products for at least the last 12 years. Looking at the price of the AMD 6950 or 6970, I was sure that I was going to purchase AMD cards. As I was reading through forums I noticed that more people were complaining of driver support for the AMD cards than the NVidia cards. Plus I noticed that two GTX 580 cards would outperform two 6970 cards in many of the games I played even though the 6970s had more impressive hardware. That info combined with the fact that I am used to how Nvidia drivers work kept me from buying an AMD board.
I based my purchase of two GTX 580 cards on the info I was reading about drivers for the AMD camp. I have had Nvidia products for at least the last 12 years. Looking at the price of the AMD 6950 or 6970, I was sure that I was going to purchase AMD cards. As I was reading through forums I noticed that more people were complaining of driver support for the AMD cards than the NVidia cards. Plus I noticed that two GTX 580 cards would outperform two 6970 cards in many of the games I played even though the 6970s had more impressive hardware. That info combined with the fact that I am used to how Nvidia drivers work kept me from buying an AMD board.
for me everything works fine, i know CCC team sucks, and same goes for nvidia, if you look how many threads for drivers problems, i care less now, i just stop playing new games and wait till theres a fix first, then i buy it. so my release dates for games is like a month past the real real release date
nvidia drivers
21,823 threads
ati drivers
8,381 threads
You had me until you said 6970 had more impressive hardware than the GTX 580. What?
It came a month after GTX 580 and performed worse. But hey it was 100$ cheaper sooo yeah.
How come that when Nvidia fucks up, Nvidia users get angry at Nvidia
...but
When AMD fucks up, AMD users also get angry at Nvidia.
So where's the issue again?
Read the thread.
People got their knickers in a twist because [H] called out AMD for not having a proper CrossFire driver, crappy CF power consumption etc..
Not sure if your posts is directed at me, but felt the need to respond only because the general tone of the thread as a whole seems to be one of AMD fucked up, got called out, and fanbois are defending them...to be honest, they don't deserve to be defended.
However, something that all concerned need to keep in mind when reading my posts in this thread is
I'm bashing ALL companies (AMD included) and I am bashing those who consider themselves "enthusiasts" who manage only "me too" posts instead of doing their part.
We ALL accepted shoddy drivers, hardware, and software from companies and we've done so for years and years and years.
I listed just a few examples off the top of my head, but could have named many other examples like having to load AMD-specific Quake II drivers for the Voodoo2 because of the crappy performance compared to the C300As?
I could have mentioned the IBM Deathstar fiasco of the horrid VIA drivers and install process back in the early K6-2 300 days.
We ALL agreed to act as beta testers for these devices and programs when we adopted them early.
That's just the way it is. It has not and it will not change. Ever.
Make no mistake. I completely AGREE with Kyle's article. What I see as the difference between Kyle and a lot of posters is that Kyle & company are in contact with AMD providing feedback to show where the problems are, instead of restricting their response solely to the article on the site or posting on the forum.
One thing we ALL need to keep in mind is one could do a simple search & replace on the article to replace "AMD" with the name of damn near any of the top 50 tech companies into it though...and we all know it.
This isn't AMD only. It's just the latest example.
That's what it means to be on the bleeding edge.
If you don't want to be on the bleeding edge, buy 6 months after new tech is introduced when the bugs are already worked out and the item is $100 cheaper.
If you're gonna be on the bleeding edge, then do your part. Document the errors you get, your complete environment configuration and setup, and FFS submit feedback to the mfgr with -proper and complete- information so the problems can be isolated, replicated and then SOLVED, because "me too" posts just suck.
SLI in games are a mix between Drivers and game support. CFX is profiles. I fail to see and considering every card that's launched by AMD has been plauged with slow CFX profiles says it will continue. Look how long it took AMD to get Skyrim CFX on the 6000 series but the 5000/4000 were hit or miss or not at all.
Fuckin A right I'm cooler than most.Because you are way cooler then most . To me it looks like AMD does address CFX issues after awhile for games and hardware which if you are like me you wait until the games are patched or confirmed working good before buying or when dirt cheap meaning they are working if not we just don't waste time with them. Plus wait a little bit before getting a new hardware setup. This time I didn't, got 990FX board before BD and got BD as soon as it was available as well as the 7970 which is AWESOME . This is a CFX issue with new hardware, new games, where HardOCP has to be on top of the game to survive. AMD is dropping the ball on that aspect of a release.
Never say never, forever is a long time. I'm not of fan of most of nVidia's dual-GPU cards, had a couple of 7950s and a 9800GX2, not the best cards, AMD's dual-GPU cards I think have been much better than nVidia's.
However the issue with the 590 isn't the norm and even if it did effect every 590 you would have gotten a new card and moved on. AMD just seems to have more persistent issues with game support particularly with CF consistently.