And Intel gets destroyed in multi-threaded performance. Gotta pick what's important to you.
Let's get real. Gaming is pretty much the only reason people care about high end PCs, and games are going to be using 8 cores or less for the next decade.
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And Intel gets destroyed in multi-threaded performance. Gotta pick what's important to you.
Well that certainly isn't true. Some of us work for a living as well as play games. High end PCs do a lot of things.Let's get real. Gaming is pretty much the only reason people care about high end PCs, and games are going to be using 8 cores or less for the next decade.
Next gen consoles have 16 threads so you can be damn sure that's where the next standard is heading. 16 cores.Let's get real. Gaming is pretty much the only reason people care about high end PCs, and games are going to be using 8 cores or less for the next decade.
Let's get real. Gaming is pretty much the only reason people care about high end PCs, and games are going to be using 8 cores or less for the next decade.
High-end PCs are used for a multitude of tasks outside of gaming.Let's get real. Gaming is pretty much the only reason people care about high end PCs, and games are going to be using 8 cores or less for the next decade.
High-end PCs are used for a multitude of tasks outside of gaming.
Also, the "8 cores or less" argument is going to end once the next generation of consoles start to mature.
You need to do a bit of research on these topics, considering the entirety of what happened in the 2010s disproves your statements completely, and it will be repeated in the 2020s far more so.
Wait...what? You have been vehemently saying that somehow 10 GB VRAM is not enough, despite 99.9% of the userbase having less than that, but 8 cores are enough for the next decade?
Next gen consoles have 16 threads so you can be damn sure that's where the next standard is heading. 16 cores.
The new GPUs all look to be CPU bound except at the very high end, so games need to start parallelizing more aggressively.
Maybe AMD will put out a CPU that is better for Radeon than anything Intel has? Cuz if Radeons run games faster on Intel still...
(I buy cores and vram for video. Most people don't.)
They have SMT enabled, which is 16 threads.Uh, the next generation consoles have 8 core CPUs. So much for next gen. You don't even know what you're talking about.
Hyper Threading is what Intel's variation of SMT is called, but it is still SMT.Next gen consoles are 8 cores with hyperthreading...Intel already has 10 core CPUs with hyperthreading.
Apparently you missed the metric ton worth of discussions on here over the AMD Jaguar CPU severely bottlenecking the current-gen consoles.Cores for gaming is irrelevant for the next decade.
They have SMT enabled, which is 16 threads.
Hyper Threading is what Intel's variation of SMT is called, but it is still SMT.
Yep, and AMD has 64-core CPUs with SMT - your point is?
Apparently you missed the metric ton worth of discussions on here over the AMD Jaguar CPU severely bottlenecking the current-gen consoles.
Yes, CPUs are extremely important for gaming, as they have been for the last 40+ years.
FTFYYou apparently can't readEnglishbullshit.
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The lack of leaks is interesting.
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You've always been able to do ECC on non-pro AMD chips. No they aren't going to officially support it since they have a pro line that they support it for. AMD's enire lineup supports ECC as opposed to one sku. If you want it you'll have to do the homework to match up MB with Chip which isn't hard at all as some manufacturers will tell you from jump yes or no .That's no train... That's a Shinkansen...
Shitty jokes aside, I would like to see the supposed gains over the 3900X.
Edit: Also, official support for ECC on their non-pro line, with accompanied motherboards. If an i3-8100 can do it, I would hope their 4600 (assuming 6 cores) would be able to.
Availability for basically every hot item is going to blow now because of scumbag scalpers using bots. We really are at the point where there needs to be government intervention on that shit. It shouldn't be legal.
All APUs have been... 2200g/2400g where zen cores, 3X00g where zen+, and 4X00g are zen2.... They are finally going to fix this stupid naming, lol. They should have started at 1200g/1400g and they wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Poor marketing decision early on being corrected (at least the realised and are fixing though).Yeah those 4000 series zen 2 APUs were monstrously misnamed and misleading
Nope. The Ryzen 9s aren't even close. They get destroyed in single thread performance especially in emulators. There's a 20%+ difference.
Well said! Adding him to my ignore list as well.FTFY
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Awww, come on, now there'll be less material for us fans. It's like George Costanza of IT posting.Well said! Adding him to my ignore list as well.
Haven’t found a board that correctly supports it. I know the asrock x470d4u supports it, but my reading of a thread level1techs/reddit discussions. Highlights that the memory isn’t reporting or correcting errors that are injected. Which is a damn shame because I would love to just throw the 3900x in that board when I upgrade.You've always been able to do ECC on non-pro AMD chips. No they aren't going to officially support it since they have a pro line that they support it for. AMD's enire lineup supports ECC as opposed to one sku. If you want it you'll have to do the homework to match up MB with Chip which isn't hard at all as some manufacturers will tell you from jump yes or no .
Asrock boards universally support ECC.Haven’t found a board that correctly supports it. I know the asrock x470d4u supports it, but my reading of a thread level1techs/reddit discussions. Highlights that the memory isn’t reporting or correcting errors that are injected. Which is a damn shame because I would love to just throw the 3900x in that board when I upgrade.
Till then I will have a 2670/i3-8100 on Unraid/Freenas duty.
Unfortunately in the tech industry, yes, speculation is news. Source - wccftech.good but speculation is news?
Can we develop into predictive models using ML instead of rumors and speculation?Unfortunately in the tech industry, yes, speculation is news. Source - wccftech.
The solution to this unfortunately is just dont buy it. stock will come. prices will fall. its how hardware launches happen now.Availability for basically every hot item is going to blow now because of scumbag scalpers using bots. We really are at the point where there needs to be government intervention on that shit. It shouldn't be legal.
I think thats why Nvidia bought Arm actually. Nevermind self driving cars, owning the news is where its at.Can we develop into predictive models using ML instead of rumors and speculation?
sadI think thats why Nvidia bought Arm actually. Nevermind self driving cars, owning the news is where its at.
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OMG ARM THE NUKES!
That article is absolutely terrifying. The entire time it just keeps saying dont be afraid, i'll never hurt you. Heres a bunch of lame reasons.
For all mankind we should execute that machines creators.
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You apparently can't read English. Cores for gaming is completely irrelevant for the next decade for PC gamers because they already have more cores and are more powerful than what's in the next generation consoles. Intel already has 10 core parts. Cores don't matter for gaming when deciding between Intel and AMD.
So it's all about per core performance at this point for PC gamers when making a decision about the best gaming part.
Wait...what? You have been vehemently saying that somehow 10 GB VRAM is not enough, despite 99.9% of the userbase having less than that, but 8 cores are enough for the next decade?
Yeah, this is where the 16 cores come in.So it's all about per core performance at this point for PC gamers when making a decision about the best gaming part.
IMO, MT use will stagnate when the new consoles take over. Having modern, high IPC, fast ST performance means devs will no longer need to properly multithread. This is in comparison to the last generation, with low clocks, low IPC, low ST performance. Multithreading was somewhat necessary to get any reasonable performance. IMO, this is why Sony chose their boost approach, since the CPU is unlikely to have all 8 of its cores pegged at max (leaving some power/thermal budget for the GPU portion of the chip), and why MSFT has an options for higher clocks when SMT is disabled. Both basically are acknowledging a lesser focus on heavy MT.Games are still built for 4 cores. 8 Core consoles are going to force developers to get better at multi-threading. Intel probably still wins in games for a while though unless AMD gets clocks up.
Games are still built for 4 cores. 8 Core consoles are going to force developers to get better at multi-threading. Intel probably still wins in games for a while though unless AMD gets clocks up.