AMD 2018 Roll Out Schedule

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  1. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    AMD was kind enough to share with us this slide that gives us insight to its desktop and mobile roll out schedule this year. Most notable to HardOCP readers is the upcoming 12nm 2nd Generation Ryzen CPUs, and certainly we are excited to see 2nd Gen Ryzen Threadripper confirmed as well for the second half of 2018. Expect small bumps in turbo speeds.

    Check out the slides.
     
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  2. alamox

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    best product seems to be ryzen mobile, if they actualy put hbm memory on it, otherwise, the apu is a dead end if they are going to stay bandwidth starved, like the 2000 series.
    and ofc no gpu, what a surprise...
     
  3. Chebsy

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    I will be interested to see how the 2nd gen Ryzen's perform, not long to wait to see them perform !!
     
  4. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    I do not expect Navi in the hands of consumers (or miners rather) till next year. That is a personal opinion, not a statement of fact.
     
  5. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    While we will see some "small" bumps in speed, I would not expect any reason to upgrade from a current Ryzen CPU. I have not experienced overclocking yet, so I am not speaking to that.
     
  6. rgMekanic

    rgMekanic [H]ard|News Staff Member

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    Damn, they're already damn near 2 generations behind, could be 3 by the time Navi comes out. I hope they're quietly toiling away at something awesome :)

    I'll have to start saving my pennies for a TR2 build... although if DDR4 prices don't go down that's gonna be out as well :(
     
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    darrpara Gawd

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    Really interested in threadripper 2. lines up good with next gen GPU rollout hopefully..
     
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    Is Ryzen 2 expected to be able to use faster RAM than 3000Mhz?

    If so, then I hope RAM prices come down to reasonable levels by the time the new set of mobo bugs are worked out.
     
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  9. Chebsy

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    You are probably right Kyle, but it would be nice to see small increments in base clock performance, but with better clock/overclock speeds on top of that.
     
  10. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Official Forum Curmudgeon

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    Good to see them keeping it up.

    the CPU game is an iterative one. You can't just do one and be done. You have to keep the pressure on with rapid successive generations. That's how Intel got so far ahead.
     
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  11. DigitalGriffin

    DigitalGriffin [H]ardness Supreme

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    I've heard rumblings of 4.4GHz OC. None of this is verified though. Just rumor mill.

    If it's 4.4 with spectre/meltdown fix, I'm on board for 1.
     
  12. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

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    I built a Ryzen 1300X system as a Christmas present for a family member using single rank 2x4GB DDR4-3200. Enabled XMP in BIOS/UEFI and had zero issues. I don't foresee Zen2 having any issues doing so.
     
  13. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    That is a solid 10%, so nothing to sneeze at, but not sure if that is worth jumping ship. That said there are some great deals on Ryzen CPUs right now.
     
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    Why would one do that ?
    It competes with Lowest tier Nvidia graphics, it removes the need for d.gpu, and if you want a better gpu you put a MCM design like 8705g\8709G from intel (which I hope for amd's sake they're also are in works of doing) or a d.gpu which has only space as drawback which is mostly for laptops which can be solved by the 8705\8709G approach.

    Let's theoretically say they add HBM, 1 stack of HBM2 and you get 5-10W tdp extra out of that, you increase cost by 125$ which is (100 for memory+interposer) + 25 in core cost due to added size due to memory controller.
    You now have a 2400G that is almost on par with a 1050TI, it costs 300 bucks, it requires larger cooler and doesn't fit in ultraportable at 15W meaning the 15W laptops(Majority of laptops sold) cannot share it's die.

    2400G, 2700U,2500U does not need HBM, they would be worse with HBM as a total product and I think too many [H],Enthusiast,gamers fail to see what the product in fact Is.
    It can replace bottom tier Nvidia and AMD graphics for free, you get competetive CPU performance at competetive price and it fits inside 15W laptops and on desktop it's a good cpu and an excellent starting point.


    And also, we've seen how the IGP\APU's sell with expensive added memory... well... it doesn't...
     
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  15. Nexus6

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    Ryzen Pro?

    I didn't even know this existed.
     
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  16. RanceJustice

    RanceJustice [H]ardness Supreme

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    I rather wish they would have released their CPUs a bit earlier, but it will be interesting to see what Ryzen+ brings in terms of IPC and overclocking performance. I'm getting close to needing to rebuild my secondary/home server rig and Ryzen+ may be a good choice. Threadripper+ I have mixed feelings about - on one hand I really wish that it launches as soon as possible and that both Ryzen and Threadripper 2nd generations have better per-core performance, speed and OCing. I do worry however that unless there's a significant boost, that it may not be worth it to invest into a HEDP system for such a high price for only midding upgrades in comparison to the previous generation (which may be on sale bigtime) and/or compared to Intel. This would be compounded by a late (ie any later than early summer) launch of Threadripper+, as I imagine the bigger gains will be made with Zen2 7nm based Ryzen and Threadripper coming next year.

    It would really behoove AMD to push all of these things out as absolutely fast as possible barring any serious issues, because though I really want to support AMD 2018 offering a year of minor improvements at best on the CPU side and NO higher end GPUs thus falling even farther behind (They could reclaim a lot of GPU sales if they could push out a Vega 2.0 refresh with better thermal efficiency and increased VRAM, sell for existing or lower MSRPs , and keep stock high), may not bode well. This goes double in the case of late-cycle releases where people are more likely to think "Eh...maybe I won't bother and I'll save my money for Zen2 and Navi" or buy alternatives. I really want the best for AMD and hope Zen+ offers worthwhile gains on the desktop CPU side and they have SOME plans for GPUs rather than treading water.
     
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    Ryzen+ is gonna be game changing, since Intel has given consumers cheaper 6c/12t with CL. It defeated the purpose of Ryzen being affordable high core count CPUs, and now Intel still have an edge in low thread workloads due to their clock speeds.

    Ryzen+ is basically AMD being more competitive, they close the clock speed gap so gaming perf deficit gets smaller, while their multi-threading perf will be more impressive.
     
  18. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett El Chingón Staff Member

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    Ryzen Pro is specifically for Government and Enterprise needs where systems are on extremely tight specification and durability standards. It is the same silicon clocked a bit differently with different driver sets.
     
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  19. griff30

    griff30 I Lower the Boom!

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    It might be a 10% boost in speed, combine that with the memory speed and timings and it looks like a winner.

    I didn't jump on the Ryzen yet as I was waiting till tax time and now it looks like I'm going to upgrade.

    Just wish the Vega64 was available at the original MSRP. :(
     
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  20. BloodyIron

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    So glad that AMD is keeping their momentum up!
     
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    Great news. Thanks for sharing.

    Now, if they'd just start producing cheap RAM, I'd be buying...
     
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  22. rgMekanic

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    I wonder what happened to the Radeon RAM that was out?
     
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    I wish I were in the market for CPU instead of a GPU right now.
     
  24. KazeoHin

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    It was re branded Patriot, AKA it was re branded trash.

    Sold Radeon Ram at my shop for about 6 months before return rates convinced us it wasn't worth it.
     
  25. rgMekanic

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    Weird, I had Patriot memory in an OLD build and had pretty good success with it, perhaps they just went downhill or I was really lucky
     
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  26. Brackle

    Brackle Old Timer

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    Huh cant wait to see some benchmarks Kyle. This old trusty workhouse Xeon X5670 might have to retire if the new Ryzen+ can really hit 4.4ghz. Cant wait for the review.
     
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    I look forward to laptops with Ryzen/Vega, more than good enough for my games/mobile. My daughter been asking for a laptop.
     
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  28. Derangel

    Derangel [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Ooooh. Threadripper+. I got this 5820k set up in Jan of 2016. I have a serious upgrade itch. I've been thinking about dropping back to a consumer platform and going Ryzen+ when it is out, but TR+ could be interesting. I have no need for an enthusiast platform, but I do love those core counts.
     
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  29. Mackintire

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    The rumors were for 15% performance bump from Zen to Zen+ and another >15% for Zen 2.
     
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    WoW! That is damn good!
     
  31. rgMekanic

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    Quad channel memory on an eATX board is a thing of beauty.
     
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    It looks like there's some marketing at work... a chunk of that 15% Is the increase in clock speed.
     
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    Some retests were done of the Ryzen APUs with higher-clocked memory and single- vs dual-channel memory and it turns out that there are some noticeable boosts.

    https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Ryzen-5-2400G-Memory-Speed-Performance-Analysis

    "real-world gaming examples show scaling of 10-15% moving from DDR4-2400 to DDR4-3200. DDR4-2933 provides a 5-7% performance boost compared to DDR4-2400."

    Significant boosts in benchmarks were seen with dual- versus single-channel memory, too, although they didn't seem to do that test with games.

    Yeah, of course it's more expensive.
     
  34. darrpara

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    Same here!
     
  35. Derangel

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    It would be a good excuse to jump up to 32GB of memory.
     
  36. rgMekanic

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    I would as well but the bank won't give me another mortgage :(
     
  37. Derangel

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    Yeah, its too bad RAM prices are so insane right now. I'll have to get a new waterblock too. Thankfully, Kyle has a pile of reviews to reference for TR4 coolers. I kind of want to redo my entire loop. This upgrade is starting to sound expensive.
     
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  38. KazeoHin

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    I love my 1950X, but if the TR+ chip family end up being overclocking beasts, I may have to make more poor monetary decisions...
     
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    I was more pointing towards iris pro,sideport memory and expensive memory solutions like that which is dedicated to gpu's.
     
  40. Burticus

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    Guess I'll be waiting until Q2 for my Ryzen build. Who knows, maybe some [H] peeps will upgrade to Ryzen+ and sell their "old chips" to us cheap bastards.
     
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