AGP... Is it dead?

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Howdy, I have an "OLD" computer. It's a P4 2.4ghz with 1gb of 1066 RDRAM. I'm running a Geforce4 Ti4800. What sort of options would be available to someone still running AGP4x as far as high end video cards go? I do searching and dont come up with many hits for latest generation AGP cards. Any ideas what I should do for a nice performance increase in the graphics department?
 
I wouldn't call it "dead" but definetly dieing. A few people still use it, myself included. The performance gains over AGP are just too high to keep AGP around. I've been wanting to upgrade from AGP for a while, but I think I'm going to wait for DirectX 10.
 
just get a 7800GS or 6800U/GT. Those are pretty cheap these days.

Hell, im going BACK to AGP just cause i dont need the power of my main rig.. i dont even use it 90% of the time, im always on my laptop.
 
The only advantage of pci-e is the future and sli. Like what he said i am also waiting for dx10 :)
 
synergyo1 said:
*pokes AGP slot with a stick*

Yea, its dying.
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Or is it?? I've seen more than a few recent magazines that say there are some companies (Asus, Msi), that are considering putting out Mobo's with both AGP 8x and Pci-e slots because there are many people (myself included) who don't wan't to do away with thier recent AGP purchase.
 
BriSleep said:
Or is it?? I've seen more than a few recent magazines that say there are some companies (Asus, Msi), that are considering putting out Mobo's with both AGP 8x and Pci-e slots because there are many people (myself included) who don't wan't to do away with thier recent AGP purchase.
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yeah i always thought how come they dont make a board with AGP and pice together
 
BriSleep said:
Or is it?? I've seen more than a few recent magazines that say there are some companies (Asus, Msi), that are considering putting out Mobo's with both AGP 8x and Pci-e slots because there are many people (myself included) who don't wan't to do away with thier recent AGP purchase.
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They may be considering that option but I highly doubt it'll become mainstream. Saying it isn't dying is just ignorance. It is dying but hasn't died yet. It is most likely on its last leg.

Nvidia and ATI are moving away from AGP cards (remember how long it took to get AGP cards of this generation cards out on the market?). Also with Vista coming out which requires at least DX9 compatible cards (which pretty much voids majority of people who have AGP out there) it'll be more economical just to move forward.
 
We need a motherboard thats like the ecs k7s5a but instead of sdr with ddr slots we need agp/pci-e.
 
It aint dead yet, but I think its on its last hurrah.
There probably wont be any cards(new) after the 7800 GS.
No mo' mobos that have the slotski. :eek:
 
Brent_Justice said:
It's dead Jim.
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RIP DeForest Kelly :(

On an upnote I met Brent Spiner this weekend and got my picture with him <3

So to add something to my post of use....

You can still find AGP cards with recent generation chips.... The market it still there for people with older boxes.... I do beleive by this time next year, you wont see any available whatso ever
 
Yeah, sorry but its dead. I have close to your setup, P4 2.8GHZ gig of ram and AGP Radeon 9800Pro. I geusse they are only good as a small word processor or maybe , just maybe I can load a recipe cd on it and use it in the kitchen as an internet only and kitchen computer. Nothing hard on it like acrobat reader or spider solitare.Or maybe you can find a copy of BeOs and it can criple along....

I remember the BeOs comment once when I asked what I could do with a P3 1GHZ and a Geforce 4!
AGP cards are backwards compatable and that rig can run many slightly older games.
Dont set it out on the trashbin becuase it lacks PCIE.
Upgrade after Vista with a Motherboard that has PCIE and everything will be cheaper.
 
If you want to get philosophical, every piece of technology that comes out is dying the moment it is released. It's just a matter of when. Now for a more objective view.

Companies do release AGP cards because there is a demand for them. However, new cards are released in PCIe flavor first before it is released as AGP a few months later.

In my opinion, it sounds like companies are testing the market with PCIe first before deciding whether they want to release that model as an AGP.

It will never truly die. Look at PCI cards. You can still buy PCI video cards today.

So to answer the OP, no it won't die, but it will not gain any share of the graphic card market.
 
I'd get a 6800GS if you were looking to buy a new AGP card and didn't want to bust the bank. Obviously you could consider moving up to a 7800GS as well. Used card suggestions: 6800U/6800GT.

For the 6800GS new, you're looking at paying $180-$220, for the used 6800GT/U, it should be in the mid to late $100s. 7800GS will run you around $280+

Unlocked, the GS will (at stock) perform just like a 6800GT, and overclocked (some are sold at these clocks stock) can reach ultra or beyond speeds.
 
Anavel0 said:
I wouldn't call it "dead" but definetly dieing. A few people still use it, myself included. The performance gains over AGP are just too high to keep AGP around. I've been wanting to upgrade from AGP for a while, but I think I'm going to wait for DirectX 10.
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How can you say that the performance is soo much higher? We still havnt even pushed the 8x agp to its max...the bus isnt even breaking a sweat. so really cant say that pci-x is so much faster since we havnt even pushed it to its limits. Im just putting my 2 cents in so say what you want..
 
stopmenow said:
didn't they just release a brand new 7800 agp card?!
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a slow performing version of the 7800 series yes, basically it doesn't come close to performing equally with what is available at the same price point on PCIe, it is not a high-end solution by any means
 
BriSleep said:
Or is it?? I've seen more than a few recent magazines that say there are some companies (Asus, Msi), that are considering putting out Mobo's with both AGP 8x and Pci-e slots because there are many people (myself included) who don't wan't to do away with thier recent AGP purchase.
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Which is just prolonging it's death, and allowing people to slowly switch over to PCI-e
 
Brent_Justice said:
a slow performing version of the 7800 series yes, basically it doesn't come close to performing equally with what is available at the same price point on PCIe, it is not a high-end solution by any means
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compared to his geforce4 ti4800 it will seem like a high-end card imo.
 
I also have a P4 3.6ghz lappy with a PCI-E Geforce GO 6800 do you think there is anything I could put in my desktop that could match the performance I get on that?
 
Yup, dead.

We're at the point where ALL new system builds are PCIe, so the AGP market is replacement only. This means there's a lot less demand for AGP graphics, and thus there are smaller runs of cards. You have to pay a ridiculous AGP tax these days.
 
i use to think that agp was dead too, until they made this new 7800 card. i am sure there are others here that have agp still using.
 
Pappy said:
Howdy, I have an "OLD" computer. It's a P4 2.4ghz with 1gb of 1066 RDRAM. I'm running a Geforce4 Ti4800. What sort of options would be available to someone still running AGP4x as far as high end video cards go? I do searching and dont come up with many hits for latest generation AGP cards. Any ideas what I should do for a nice performance increase in the graphics department?
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I have almost same rigs as you, besides I run 400FSB.(you run i850E?)
I got the Gainward 7800GS(a 78000GT PCI-e Via brigdechip to AGP)
My APG rig is far from dead :D

Terra - Infact is does quite well :)
 
I dont know i have a 9600XT which performs equal to my brothers 7800gtx. i dont see a need to upgrade.

do i dont think its dead/.
 
Scotch77 said:
I dont know i have a 9600XT which performs equal to my brothers 7800gtx. i dont see a need to upgrade.
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Equal in what, Wolfenstein 3D? :p
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
AGP died the day the first PCIe board shipped.

AGP RIP 1996-2005
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Tell that to my VJ modified X850XT-PE.....it has no idea its dead, in fact, it smokes thru any game on the market quite well....and does it quite happily at 636/655....
 
I honestly dont think its dead YET. I think that it is dieing though.

I mean, the 7800gs is "midrange". It performs a little better than a x850xt. What is going to happen when the 7800gs becomes obsolete? expecting a good 8XXX series card?I wouldn't keep your hopes up unless you want something that is another watered-down version of a MIDRANGE card.

IMO this generation is the last batch of agp cards.. they continue to make older models, but much like its older brother PCI, the shelf space will be reserved for what the market wants... pci-e cards.
 
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