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7970 coming down to $449 ?
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I don't think anyone who bought a 7970 at release should have buyer's remorse or anything. Yeah you can now get slightly better performance for $50 less, but I think we've all been there countless times since this tech progresses so fast.
I am wondering about the supposed "Tenerfire", I think that will come in at the current price point of the 7970, and the 7970 will slot down to the sub $500 space. Of course Tenerfire my not be a real plan for this gen. I wonder if AMD will have their 8000 series refresh ready in time for the GTX 780, that could really put them in a tight spot if they don't.
I am wondering about the supposed "Tenerfire", I think that will come in at the current price point of the 7970, and the 7970 will slot down to the sub $500 space. Of course Tenerfire my not be a real plan for this gen. I wonder if AMD will have their 8000 series refresh ready in time for the GTX 780, that could really put them in a tight spot if they don't.
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Just browse the FS/FT forums, 7970's and 570/580's are dropping in price pretty quickly
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compitition, it is good right?
Would surprise me to see the 7970 at 499 (it is a 3GB card afterall) and then see a 7975 appear at 550 to 575 which would be nothing more than binned 7970s @ 1.3ghz.
As for buying off of the FS forums, if I were buying a 7970, I'd be hoping for one that OC'd really well. I can also only assume that a [H] user would be selling if they have a poor OC card -- no way they are selling if its hitting 1250+. Better to gamble with a new card.
As for buying off of the FS forums, if I were buying a 7970, I'd be hoping for one that OC'd really well. I can also only assume that a [H] user would be selling if they have a poor OC card -- no way they are selling if its hitting 1250+. Better to gamble with a new card.
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I'd like to switch to the 680 since I have a 3d vision monitor, but it looks like it might be hard selling the 7970s for anything around $500. We'll see.
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Id love to see cheaper 7970's, but i don't see how the GTX 680 is superior overall. The benchmarks I actually care about the 7970 crushes the 680 by about 500% such as compute performance
The 7970 is still much better value at its current price point in my book when you factor in at .11 cents a KWH after taxes/fees it makes $73 a month revenue or $50 profit at current bitcoin values monthly.
The 7970 is still much better value at its current price point in my book when you factor in at .11 cents a KWH after taxes/fees it makes $73 a month revenue or $50 profit at current bitcoin values monthly.
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If you only really care about compute then the 680 is not for you. It's a gaming-centric card.
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What would you be making if the price of electric was .36/KWH? I've considered mining but figured my electricity is too high.
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oops looks like you are calculating $23/month electric cost. Looks like I'd break even.
Hardware h264 video encode performance is awfully nice too. Haven't seen quality comparisons of the 680 vs CPU encoding yet though.
Problem here is Nvidia is able to sell a card built like a 660GTX at 680GTX prices. They're basically sitting on a performance part and soaking up the profits in the meantime. AMD had a card they could kinda sorta justify at a top-teir price, but got smacked down. Their only option is to do what AMD does best, sell cheaper.
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average user goes hey 7970 got 3gb over 680 2g so must be better = sold - price aint gonna move for awhile 
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Yeah pretty much. When I "inform" my friends that the 680 GTX is what was supposed to be the 660 or 660 Ti, they shit a brick.
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If that is the case, why didn't nVidia come out with the "real" GTX-680 instead and lay a smack down on AMD ? They could have sold at at the $549 price tag same as the 7970, but would have a card to utterly destroy the 7970.
It's probably not even remotely close to being ready. I'd be surprised if we saw it before next year.
I believe this to be the case as well. At the time of the 7970 launch the rumor mill had Nvidia annoucing the real 680GTX sometime in April at the earliest with retail availability to follow later. Once the 7970 launched Nvidia realized thier midrange part could compete so they released that instead. Midrange parts tend to get the most resources within the GPU makers headquarters since those are what go on to contribute most to the company's bottom line. I speculate Nvidia got lucky here and were able to introduce a lesser part instead of being late to the party yet again.
I'm not bashing Nvidia, quite the contrary actually. AMD truly needs to step up its game and either release a faster GPU or drop their prices.
Because this card already beats the 7970 and they probably had originally planned on selling it for $350. Now they can polish the big chip and sell it for $600. That leaves room in between $500-$600 for what was going to be the 670. Even more amazing is that they could release a 660 for $350 that's as fast as a 580 but uses less power and a lower TDP than the 680. The 7970 is probably the best thing to ever happen to NVIDIA. It could be next year before AMD gets a refresh out and it may still be slower than what NVIDIA is already sitting on.
Granted the naming could get fuzzy above 680 as they will most likely have a dual chip. So the single chips could be the 685 and 690 while the dual could be the 695.
With 480's already selling as low as $210 that could push the 580 down to $300 and the 7970 to $350 or less as I stated above. Great news for us consumers.
You guys, I really think that the 7970 dropping in price was a given. The only reason it started at $550 was because nVidia didn't have anything to compete with it, and the 580 had held prices so well that it was still selling for ~$470. AMD was matching the current price/performance of the time. Now that nVidia has knocked it out of the park with the 680, AMD will have no choice but to compete on price. When you consider that the 7970 has more VRAM, and might be a little bit faster when both are at maximum OC, I think the 7970 will be priced at $450-475, if the 680 is priced at $500.
I think the card ORIGINALLY was set to sell for 350, but I have a feeling they cranked up the GPU clocks and the memory clocks as high as they could, something that's not always done on lower end cards (which usually have lower clocks, and lower end memory). That necessitates a bigger cooler (one designed for higher end cards) which increases the price a little too.
It's a good architecture for gaming to be sure. From what I saw, their GPU that's supposed to come out some time at the end of this year/early next year has a 512 bit memory interface. I'm not sure why they would do that if it's true, they've already had high end cards with 384 bit bus which is supposedly much cheaper than 512 would ever be (8800gtx was even 384 memory bus).
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I smell a 1100 clocked version to be called a 7980 and a drop in the 7970 price.
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While I agree, It's not like the HD7970 can't do battle with the 680, AMD will have to get their act together with drivers. Just look at the article posted by Kyle here about how disconnected their drivers team seems to be.
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Please stop with the 680 was supposed to be a 660ti crap. The 680 is the best it can come up with at this present... Who's to say AMD has the 8000 series waiting ? See how dumb that sounds? This is it, 680 vs 7970 for top end crown... And the 680 for me( 1920x1080user) is getting my money.
Not to mention a lot more accessories; I received a MDP-DP, MDP-DVI-D(active), and HDMI-DVI-D adapter in each box; those alone are enough to warrant a $50 premium over the 680.
Why did you link to the print version? When I click that link it opens up my print dialog.
Yeah, cuz we all need more useless adapters filling up our junk drawers. I'd prefer cards at a lower price and sold in a white box with zero adapters and no documentation for $50 savings.
Had I bought a 7970 and compared it to my 5870 purchase, I know I would be incredibly remorseful. Not only was it over-priced to begin with but it retained the performance crown for one of the shortest time spans seen in recent memory. In contrast, I purchased my 5870 on launch day for $380. It retained the performance crown for several months and actually APPRECIATED in value for months after it's release. It then dropped in value a bit only to re-appreciate during the bit-coin mining nonsense.
7970 cost significantly more and proceeds to almost immediately get spanked in price and performance. Buyers should absolutely be remorseful, it will help keep you from spending more than you should in the future, and in turn, keep companies honest when pricing their products.
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5870 was very much the exception rather than the rule...
Even compared to my previous card, 8800GT, I'd have buyers remorse.
True, the situation that preceded 5870 launch isn't typical but even a typical launch would have made you feel better about your purchase than early 7970 adopters. It would be one thing if it wasn't over priced or hung on to the performance crown for a bit longer, but it was/is overpriced and gave up the top spot in nearly record time.
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Considering I'm running an eyefinity resolution, I'd have zero remorse going with 7970s early on rather than 680s later.
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lol nice try with the wishful thinking
Nvidia did not release it because they cannot produce it.......500mm squared = next to impossible to make