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mpcamer1220
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You think a website like that could get this guy's last name right, but cool none the less..
Too bad I won't be able to afford anything like 4x4 for a while now..
Too bad I won't be able to afford anything like 4x4 for a while now..
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wtf...am i reading this right, FX-74 to be put on F socket infastructure? wtf, 1207 pin socket????
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LGA 1207 already had the processors with the extra HyperTransport links, so the new FX series will just be Socket F.
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I think this is a lame ass attempt for AMD to take back the performance crown, if they take it. All Intel will do is get some cherry picked kentsfields, give them the clock speed needed to beat AMD, (if thats even necessary) and hand AMD their ass.
Don't get me wrong, I love AMD, and I am excited to see what K8L can do, but the facts are facts, the core 2 duo line up beats up K8. Good to see Intel has done something right in the last ~3 years.
Don't get me wrong, I love AMD, and I am excited to see what K8L can do, but the facts are facts, the core 2 duo line up beats up K8. Good to see Intel has done something right in the last ~3 years.
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Upper FX's are Socket F. I've seen them 
Excuse my sheer lack of googling abilities,
but can someone explain, or link me, exactly how 4x4 works?
Is this just a dual socket motherboard housing a pair of chips?
Isnt this already around? Shit, you can have 4 opteron chips on one board if you really wanted too..
but can someone explain, or link me, exactly how 4x4 works?
Is this just a dual socket motherboard housing a pair of chips?
Isnt this already around? Shit, you can have 4 opteron chips on one board if you really wanted too..
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the lower ones aren't? give me one. or a revG chipVanFanel89 said:Upper FX's are Socket F. I've seen them
annaconda said:
AMD doesn't have quad core, and won't until next year sometime. 4x4 is NOTHING but a dual processor system that doesn't need Registered memory. It's NOT quad core. Quad core is 4 cores PER socket. 4x4 is 2 cores per socket. And here is where you'll see 30 posts form people bashing Intels quad core because it's not "native" LOL
Poncho said:AMD doesn't have quad core, and won't until next year sometime. 4x4 is NOTHING but a dual processor system that doesn't need Registered memory. It's NOT quad core. Quad core is 4 cores PER socket. 4x4 is 2 cores per socket. And here is where you'll see 30 posts form people bashing Intels quad core because it's not "native" LOL
Amen to that! Funny, isn't it
- and yet, it is a system that has four cores and quite frankly - I do not give a flying fuck about how they are arranged within that beige box underneath my desk. Heck, I would *prefer* a dual socket solution due to upgradability!I will compare 4x4 (still think it is one stupid name, BTW) to Kentsfield, dual socket Opteron and dual socket Woodcrest systems once it is out. It is remarkably quit around 4x4 considering that it is said to be launched within a couple of weeks, too...
edit: spelling
according to all reports i have heard, these FX chips will not require registered memory. If they would the platform would be indistinguishable from a 2P opty system.Sovereign said:
While I think that Intel approach is not optimal, I think that AMDs is even more pathetic. However, pricing will determine my final verdict on both options.Poncho said:AMD doesn't have quad core, and won't until next year sometime. 4x4 is NOTHING but a dual processor system that doesn't need Registered memory. It's NOT quad core. Quad core is 4 cores PER socket. 4x4 is 2 cores per socket. And here is where you'll see 30 posts form people bashing Intels quad core because it's not "native" LOL
drizzt81 said:
http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1030093176&postcount=1
Why do folks act as if people never paid this much for FX-53 through FX-62? Too rich for my blood but Am I missing something here?
Donnie27 said:It's Alright, that's 250W from AMD!
Can you imagine the power requirements for a 'hardcore' 4x4 machine? After all, these are aimed at ultra high end enthusiasts...
2x FX 74s will be 250W already. 2 x G80s in SLI will be 400W!
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) 650W just for the the CPUs and GPUs alone!wildcard442
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Try 4xG80's or 4x7900GTX's. That's crazy.
IMO, 4X4 is a joke. Ive always been an AMD fan. Im running AM2 currently. Id like to go quad core, but im not about to go buy two cpu's AND a mobo to do it. Actually, if Intel would release a relatively cheap quad core at the same time as AMD releases 4X4, I believe AMD would take one of the biggest hits they've ever taken. Anyone agree?
In one sense, this makes good sense:PaHick said:
1) I just recently bought a Conroe system. Hey quad core is most likely a drop in replacement. Only need to buy a CPU. Yay. Cheapish upgrade.
2) I just bought AM2/etc. I want quad core. I need to buy mobo, 2nd proc etc. But, going to Intel would require mobo proc etc. Either way an expensive upgrade.
MY case though...
3) I'm on Socket 478
D). I want quad core. I've owned both AMD and Intel in the past. I'm waiting on both systems to come out until I decide. Either way it involves me buying: mobo Proc (x2?), RAM, video card(s?), possibly new HDDs (depending on if I use mt PATA drives or not). Terribly expensive upgrade.I think the Intel guys will stick with Intel, and AM2 guys will go straight to $x$. People on odler systems such as myself, will stick it out and find out which one will be better for what they do. Of course, this doesn't include the fan-boys who'll stick with one over the other for no reason...
-Ray
Eulogy said:In one sense, this makes good sense:
1) I just recently bought a Conroe system. Hey quad core is most likely a drop in replacement. Only need to buy a CPU. Yay. Cheapish upgrade.
2) I just bought AM2/etc. I want quad core. I need to buy mobo, 2nd proc etc. But, going to Intel would require mobo proc etc. Either way an expensive upgrade.
MY case though...
3) I'm on Socket 478
I think the Intel guys will stick with Intel, and AM2 guys will go straight to $x$. People on odler systems such as myself, will stick it out and find out which one will be better for what they do. Of course, this doesn't include the fan-boys who'll stick with one over the other for no reason...
-Ray
I said I'd only post here for help, to offer some help. No more statements about what we already know.
Nope, you'll have to buy 2 New FX 7x processor, FX-72 or FX-74. These get 7x numbers because they have different sockets, reconfigured Sc-940. These processors are the same as the 2.4, 4.6 and 2.8GHz dual core processors currently on sale. This Monster is not meant for General Market but for power hungry AMD Followers with Money.
IMHO, there is no Great R&D or break through and this could have launched Last Year. There's little stopping AMD, ATI or nVidia from doing this on Current Opteron Boards for example. Then you could talk about a second Processor.
If I won one in a Contest, I'd go straight to E-Bay with it and sell it LOL!
harpoon said:Can you imagine the power requirements for a 'hardcore' 4x4 machine? After all, these are aimed at ultra high end enthusiasts...
2x FX 74s will be 250W already. 2 x G80s in SLI will be 400W!
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You'll more than likely want a 650W NAME BRAND Power Supply at a minimum. No Name or Generic brands aren't going to work at all. I hope like hell I'm wrong on that though.
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The people who purchase a 4x4 system today will be able to drop in two Quadcore cpu's tomorow. Keep that in mind .
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Donnie27 said:
That's a big 10-4. It'll be a power hog without a doubt. More is definitely better for this setup it would seem.
MaingearDude said:The people who purchase a 4x4 system today will be able to drop in two Quadcore cpu's tomorow. Keep that in mind
You might want to look at the Quad Core Specs again? Quad Core with ship with the newer 1207 Socket. These are said to have an IMC that's 256Bit, not the current 128bit. Just like Intel, AMD would be creating a Bottleneck with 4 cores and one 128bit controller. No it wouldn't kill AMD, hell, it's not killin' Intel's Kentsfield but we know Kentsfield will not last long before Intel's real Quad Monster launches. It will ship with what amounts to 4 FSB's
Donnie I thought you said you were only posting here for help? All I've seen is FUD.
Now for the truth.....
4X4 will be sold in a --KIT-- The --KIT-- will consist of --TWO-- CPU's. These --TWO-- chips will be together sold as FX7x They will not be available individually, and the power draw of the --KIT-- will be 125w
It's kinda like buying a dual channel memory kit. You get both sticks in one package... FX7x will be the same scenario. They are together in one package with the total power draw, the total package... Including price. Ranging initially from 1500$ to 1000$ with price drops expected within the first year
Lets take FX70. It it IS --TWO-- chips. FX70's power draw is 125w.... period. end of story. They are not to be treated seperately. But as the kit they were designed to be. There will be no such thing as a single FX7x chip. But only the --KIT--
Also Donnie I hate to burst your bubble, but it is well known --FACT-- that next year in q3 AMD will be releasing native quad cores on sokcet AM2+ which will be backwords compatible with AM2, then a later 08 release of AM3 which will also be backwords compatible with both AM2+ and AM2
This is just the way things are. You can continue to dillude yourself as much as you want, but please try to refrain from spreading your FUD here. Most of us are smart enough to recognize it right off the bat.
Now for the truth.....
4X4 will be sold in a --KIT-- The --KIT-- will consist of --TWO-- CPU's. These --TWO-- chips will be together sold as FX7x They will not be available individually, and the power draw of the --KIT-- will be 125w
It's kinda like buying a dual channel memory kit. You get both sticks in one package... FX7x will be the same scenario. They are together in one package with the total power draw, the total package... Including price. Ranging initially from 1500$ to 1000$ with price drops expected within the first year
Lets take FX70. It it IS --TWO-- chips. FX70's power draw is 125w.... period. end of story. They are not to be treated seperately. But as the kit they were designed to be. There will be no such thing as a single FX7x chip. But only the --KIT--
Also Donnie I hate to burst your bubble, but it is well known --FACT-- that next year in q3 AMD will be releasing native quad cores on sokcet AM2+ which will be backwords compatible with AM2, then a later 08 release of AM3 which will also be backwords compatible with both AM2+ and AM2
This is just the way things are. You can continue to dillude yourself as much as you want, but please try to refrain from spreading your FUD here. Most of us are smart enough to recognize it right off the bat.
duby229 said:
I don't think so, I think it's 125W TDP for each individual FX-7x CPU. That is accurate if you compare it to the TDP of an FX-62, which is 125W.
Since the FX-7x series will still be built on the 90nm process, I don't see how AMD can build two 3GHz chips for a combined TDP of 125W.
Of course, if you have anything to prove otherwise, go ahead, show it to us. I'd be glad to be proven wrong because one of the biggest drawbacks of 4x4 is the high TDP (assuming it is 250W).
So instead of FUD accusations, show people sources/links that prove the FX-7x series will have a combined TDP of 125W, because all I've seen so far points to a 250W combined TDP.
Sorry, but all this information is freely available pretty much any where you look. Just a simple google search turns up guite a few results.
Look, such as this.
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/44504/AMD-4x4-platform-gebaseerd-op-Socket-1207.html
Not in english, but it clearly states 125w
Then there is this one which clearly states that these chips will be kits, not individual
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=891&cid=1
There is this one which mention the possibility of co-processors... Good luck with that on an Intel system
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/10091
What's this? Does this mean it will GAME SUPPORT!! I guess so... Whoa and it even gets compliments too.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060626004842.html
This one here mention dual quad cores in 07
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060602090104.html
I guess this is what AMD plans to do with ATi.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/06/ati_crossfire_roadmap_07/
You see there is alot of info out there.... You might want to learn how to use google. Notice how I used different sites for all of this info. Shit I could post at least ten duplicates of everything I posted here. I mean really dude, It aint hard to find.
Look, such as this.
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/44504/AMD-4x4-platform-gebaseerd-op-Socket-1207.html
Not in english, but it clearly states 125w
Then there is this one which clearly states that these chips will be kits, not individual
http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=891&cid=1
There is this one which mention the possibility of co-processors... Good luck with that on an Intel system
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/10091
What's this? Does this mean it will GAME SUPPORT!! I guess so... Whoa and it even gets compliments too.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060626004842.html
This one here mention dual quad cores in 07
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20060602090104.html
I guess this is what AMD plans to do with ATi.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/10/06/ati_crossfire_roadmap_07/
You see there is alot of info out there.... You might want to learn how to use google. Notice how I used different sites for all of this info. Shit I could post at least ten duplicates of everything I posted here. I mean really dude, It aint hard to find.
None of your links prove what you are saying - in fact some didn't even mention TDP *at all*.
Yes, the FX-7x series will be sold in a kit, but it doesn't mean TDP will be calculated as a kit. After all, you can still run a single FX-7x on a quadfather board right? It just means 4x4 will require FX-7x CPUs for 2P operation.
Yes, the FX-7x series will be sold in a kit, but it doesn't mean TDP will be calculated as a kit. After all, you can still run a single FX-7x on a quadfather board right? It just means 4x4 will require FX-7x CPUs for 2P operation.
harpoon said:
Everything I've read says they wont be sold individually. So I really dont see why you would want to run just one. If you buy a 1000$ CPU set, why o why wouldnt you use both? Plus I've never once seen any mention of 250w, except for in these forums.. The only thing I've ever read is 125w
FX7x is a dual kit. FX7x is 125w. This same thing gets repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
I dont know how it could possibly get any more clear.
No, I've read 250W on plenty of forums. What other forums do you frequent, if you don't mind me asking?
Please tell me how AMD can suddenly reduce the TDP of 125W on a 2.8GHz FX-62 to 62.5W on a 3GHz FX-74.
Are you telling me AMD's 90nm 3GHz chip runs COOLER than it's 2GHz 65nm chip?! LOL
Btw, since FX-7x will just be basically rebadged Socket F Opterons, it's interesting to note the TDP of a 2.8GHz DC Socket F Opteron is.... *drum roll* 120W
So you reckon AMD will miraculously HALVE that figure overnight for 4x4?
Please.
Please tell me how AMD can suddenly reduce the TDP of 125W on a 2.8GHz FX-62 to 62.5W on a 3GHz FX-74.
Are you telling me AMD's 90nm 3GHz chip runs COOLER than it's 2GHz 65nm chip?! LOL
Btw, since FX-7x will just be basically rebadged Socket F Opterons, it's interesting to note the TDP of a 2.8GHz DC Socket F Opteron is.... *drum roll* 120W
So you reckon AMD will miraculously HALVE that figure overnight for 4x4?
Please.
Being clear doesn't make you correct, I'm afraid. The only site that even mentioned the TDP was the dutch one at the top of your list. Quote:duby229 said:
Unfortunately I don't speak dutch, so I had to use dictionaries. But from what I gather it says:
Here's a quote from newegg regarding an older FX-62 chip:
Now, if the new FX-7x were to be described as a pair in the text on the first site, wouldn't they have said it had four L2-caches, and not two?
Or do the new processors only have 1MB each?