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"Introducing the GeForce RTX 4060 Family, starting at $299. Availability begins May 24th with the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (8GB), a 1080p performance champ that starts at $399. For gamers playing on previous-gen GPUs, the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture graphics card offers a substantial upgrade, enabling you to supercharge your performance in top games and creative apps.

In July, the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (16GB) arrives in stores, starting at $499 featuring additional graphics memory but otherwise identical specifications. And rounding out the family is the GeForce RTX 4060, a high-performing 1080p card also available in July that starts at just $299."

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-4060-4060ti/
 
Nvidia just scrap the 8gb and move up the release date on the 16gb version. Such a money grab move by Nvidia. Maybe if there's enough backlash they will do it. Reminds me of the 4080 12gb version that was scrapped and later turned into the 4070.
 
Well that's nice. 4060ti 16gb 8gb card is now going to be in my sights.
 
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By the way they focused on 1080p performance in the press release, something tells me that the 1440p performance isn't going to be good. Not good enough to consider upgrading from a 3060 or a 2060 Super, anyway.
 
ultimatebob said:
By the way they focused on 1080p performance in the press release, something tells me that the 1440p performance isn't going to be good. Not good enough to consider upgrading from a 3060 or a 2060 Super, anyway.
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Are you talking about the 4060 or the 4060 TI ? The TI will crap all over either one of those cards and would be a pretty big upgrade for 1440p. That said, I don't think it's enough for the demanding modern games though and a 4070 should probably be the minimum someone should consider for 1440p.
 
What really grinds my gears (outside of the price-gouging), is the PCI-E 4.0 x8 nonsense.

They're basically crippling the target market
 
I think it's easy to see that nVidia is trying to nickel and dime gamers, especially when you look at the die size of this GPU compared to the previous card.

RTX 3060 Ti = 392 mm^2 die for $400 in December 2020
RTX 4060 Ti = 190 mm^2 die for $400 in May 2023

If nVidia wanted to give a proper performance uplift they would provide a larger die and strip a few compute units, instead of cutting the die size in half and trying to give 10% more performance for the same price, after more than 2.5 years. They raised the performance by raising the core clock on the 3060 Ti from 1,900 MHz to 2,800 MHz on the 4060 Ti. nVidia doesn't care about competing on price/performance anymore, they want to raise profit margins as high as possible.
 
XacTactX said:
I think it's easy to see that nVidia is trying to nickel and dime gamers, especially when you look at the die size of this GPU compared to the previous card.

RTX 3060 Ti = 392 mm^2 die for $400 in December 2020
RTX 4060 Ti = 190 mm^2 die for $400 in May 2023

If nVidia wanted to give a proper performance uplift they would provide a larger die and strip a few compute units, instead of cutting the die size in half and trying to give 10% more performance for the same price, after more than 2.5 years. They raised the performance by raising the core clock on the 3060 Ti from 1,900 MHz to 2,700 MHz on the 4060 Ti. nVidia doesn't care about competing on price/performance anymore, they want to raise profit margins as high as possible.
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So much for all that "look at the generational jump!" from the 4090. They just gut things harder the further you go down the product stack to where it's not even worth upgrading from a 3060ti...
 
NightReaver said:
So much for all that "look at the generational jump!" from the 4090. They just gut things harder the further you go down the product stack to where it's not even worth upgrading from a 3060ti...
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They don't want to sell these cut down cards, they want their silicon allotment for enterprise sales. This is the problem of them using the same core design for enterprise and gaming, unless they design a core just for gaming and one for enterprise then this problem will only get worse. As long as there enterprise sales remain strong then expect their effort on the consumer side to get weaker. Expect Jensen to talk more and more about AI and less about gaming.
 
XacTactX said:
I think it's easy to see that nVidia is trying to nickel and dime gamers, especially when you look at the die size of this GPU compared to the previous card.

RTX 3060 Ti = 392 mm^2 die for $400 in December 2020
RTX 4060 Ti = 190 mm^2 die for $400 in May 2023

If nVidia wanted to give a proper performance uplift they would provide a larger die and strip a few compute units, instead of cutting the die size in half and trying to give 10% more performance for the same price, after more than 2.5 years. They raised the performance by raising the core clock on the 3060 Ti from 1,900 MHz to 2,800 MHz on the 4060 Ti. nVidia doesn't care about competing on price/performance anymore, they want to raise profit margins as high as possible.
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Has to be the worst generation in a very, very long time. Worse than the 20 series by a good margin. This thing should be the 4050, honestly seems like GPUs are just a reflection of how the entire global economy is going. Everything is just turning to shit unless you're already wealthy.
 
Linus seemed to be OK with the 4060 Ti:



From what I see, it doesn't really make sense to upgrade if you already have a 3060 or a 3060 Ti. Maybe it makes sense if you have a 2060 Super and you're playing at 1080p and you want to crank up the ray tracing settings? The 1440p performance on the 4060 Ti looks pretty lousy, though.

Either way, I'd wait to see what AMD's response to this card.
 
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It's laughable at the mental gymnastics some people are going through to defend garbage products. The regular 4070 should have been the 4060 TI as that would have offered about a 45% increase over the 3060 TI and been an actual upgrade. FFS the 4060 TI we got actually loses to the 3060 TI in some cases which is a joke.
 
DLSS3 is not going to make the distributed computing processing any faster, lol.

I'll keep my 3060 Ti for now.
 
jlbenedict said:
"Introducing the GeForce RTX 4060 Family, starting at $299. Availability begins May 24th with the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (8GB), a 1080p performance champ that starts at $399. For gamers playing on previous-gen GPUs, the NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture graphics card offers a substantial upgrade, enabling you to supercharge your performance in top games and creative apps.

In July, the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti (16GB) arrives in stores, starting at $499 featuring additional graphics memory but otherwise identical specifications. And rounding out the family is the GeForce RTX 4060, a high-performing 1080p card also available in July that starts at just $299."

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-4060-4060ti/
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"supercharge", that is, the amount of the purchase on your charge card.
 
I have a RTX 2060 from 2019 that runs most of my games just fine at 1080p. Though I'd like to max out ray tracing in Cyberpunk 2077 I don't think the 4060 will be enough so I may just skip upgrading my PC and get a gaming laptop with a 5060 GPU next year.
 
Why are most reviewers testing the 4060 Ti, just limiting it to 1080p / 1440p resolutions? And not showing it against 4080's / 4090's just for comparison.

nVidia have some balls, let's see how this card is @ 3440 X 1440 at Ultra settings, and then compare it to a 4080. I know there's a massive price difference, but I just wanna see.

3060 Ti
https://www.techspot.com/review/2155-geforce-rtx-3060-ti/

4060 Ti
https://www.techspot.com/review/2685-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti/

WTF, why is the almost 3 year old RTX 3060 Ti faster than the brand new 4060 Ti, at the same price? What. The. Fuck. nVidia? Unless I'm reading something wrong here? A next gen card compared to the same model type from the previous gen, should be like 50% to 75% faster at the same pricing.

The RTX 4090 is $1599 and like 75% faster than the RTX 3090 $1499. And the 4080 is anywhere from 40% to 50% faster than the 3080, or bare minimum 25% faster.
 
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XacTactX said:
I think it's easy to see that nVidia is trying to nickel and dime gamers, especially when you look at the die size of this GPU compared to the previous card.

RTX 3060 Ti = 392 mm^2 die for $400 in December 2020
RTX 4060 Ti = 190 mm^2 die for $400 in May 2023

If nVidia wanted to give a proper performance uplift they would provide a larger die and strip a few compute units, instead of cutting the die size in half and trying to give 10% more performance for the same price, after more than 2.5 years. They raised the performance by raising the core clock on the 3060 Ti from 1,900 MHz to 2,800 MHz on the 4060 Ti. nVidia doesn't care about competing on price/performance anymore, they want to raise profit margins as high as possible.
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The 3060 Ti was still on Samsung 8N. The 4060 Ti is on TSMC 4N, which has more than triple the transistor density. The 4060 Ti has 22.9 billion transistors vs. 17.4 billion on the 3060 Ti. The big reason the die is small is due to the increase in fabrication prices. Per wafer cost increased 80% from TSMC 7N to 4N, which means in order to keep the consumer price low in this segment they need to get more chips per wafer. 4N is more than double the cost per wafer compared to Samsung 8N. AMD is dealing with the same situation, which is why their prices are not much lower compared to NVIDIA.
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What really grinds my gears (outside of the price-gouging), is the PCI-E 4.0 x8 nonsense.

They're basically crippling the target market
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PCI-E 4.0 x8 is equivalent to PCI-E 3.0 x16. TPU showed barely a 2% difference in real world performance between PCI-E 4.0 x8 and x16.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html
 
Zorachus said:
Why are most reviewers testing the 4060 Ti, just limiting it to 1080p / 1440p resolutions? And not showing it against 4080's / 4090's just for comparison.

nVidia have some balls, let's see how this card is @ 3440 X 1440 at Ultra settings, and then compare it to a 4080. I know there's a massive price difference, but I just wanna see.

3060 Ti
https://www.techspot.com/review/2155-geforce-rtx-3060-ti/

4060 Ti
https://www.techspot.com/review/2685-nvidia-geforce-rtx-4060-ti/

WTF, why is the almost 3 year old RTX 3060 Ti faster than the brand new 4060 Ti, at the same price? What. The. Fuck. nVidia? Unless I'm reading something wrong here? A next gen card compared to the same model type from the previous gen, should be like 50% to 75% faster at the same pricing.

The RTX 4090 is $1599 and like 75% faster than the RTX 3090 $1499. And the 4080 is anywhere from 40% to 50% faster than the 3080, or bare minimum 25% faster.
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NVidia is marketing it as the "Ultimate 1080p" GPU, and the weaker reviewers (looking at you, Engadget) are following their lead and playing into the strengths of the card.

The better card reviews are testing the card at 1440p to better demonstrate the issues with limited memory bandwidth. They're finding that this card is barely faster than the 3060ti at that screen resolution in most titles.
 
Armenius said:
The 3060 Ti was still on Samsung 8N. The 4060 Ti is on TSMC 4N, which has more than triple the transistor density. The 4060 Ti has 22.9 billion transistors vs. 17.4 billion on the 3060 Ti. The big reason the die is small is due to the increase in fabrication prices. Per wafer cost increased 80% from TSMC 7N to 4N, which means in order to keep the consumer price low in this segment they need to get more chips per wafer. 4N is more than double the cost per wafer compared to Samsung 8N. AMD is dealing with the same situation, which is why their prices are not much lower compared to NVIDIA.

PCI-E 4.0 x8 is equivalent to PCI-E 3.0 x16. TPU showed barely a 2% difference in real world performance between PCI-E 4.0 x8 and x16.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-pci-express-scaling/28.html
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I see the point you're making, it's possible that production costs have increased so much that nVidia is making the same profit margin on the 4060 Ti compared to the 3060 Ti, even though it came out 2.5 years ago. Without knowing the BOM for all of the GPU's we can't say for sure. I think the GPU market is fundamentally broken when we wait 2.5 years and we get a GPU with less compute units, 128 bit bus instead of 256, PCIe x8 instead of x16, the same amount of VRAM, and only 10% higher performance.

Of course the same thing applies to AMD. The 6600 XT came out for $380 which was a ridiculous price and now that they've dropped the price to a reasonable level, the RX 7600 costs $270 with the same performance as the 6650 XT. The problem with having a duopoly is that if one company refuses compete on price, or if it has special features that the other company doesn't have, there is no incentive to treat the products like commodities and compete on price alone. nVidia isn't competing on price like it did many years ago and AMD is content to follow along. The whole thing is very sad. The only hope we have is for Intel to pick things up, RT/XeSS is pretty strong on Intel so at least we have that
 
From what I seen, both AMD and Nvidia are not making a higher profit margin per card, slightly less for Nvidia and about the same for AMD. Are the AIBs now making a higher profit margin? I doubt it but not sure. In other words the prices are reflecting all the new additional costs, inflation, higher commodity prices for all the materials, packaging, workforce and transportation. Then again the profit margins are not broken down into SKU's but lumped together for the Investors to know overall. AMD 7600 $269 prices is probably pretty low overall for sufficient profit margin for AIBs and AMD to be worth while. Nvidia 4060 $300 price is probably the same. I just don't see anyone really gouging in other words, these are the new costs in general. On the higher end maybe a different story, between AMD and Nvidia, where Nvidia normal higher profit margin plus their pricing power looks to have pushed up their sku pricing more than other costs alone.
 
4060 is faster and cheaper then its predecessor 3060. Isn't this good?
 
Dion said:
4060 is faster and cheaper then its predecessor 3060. Isn't this good?
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The 3060 was around 20-25% faster than the 2060 and doubled the vram (using average 1080p-1440p numbers on techpowerup), the 2060 was not a particularly good deal.
The 4060 is around 14,18% faster than the 3060 12gb and has 75% of the vram (using average 1440p-1080p numbers on techpowerup)

The 3060 was not that good of a card it was fine at best, unlike the 3070-3080 it released in 2021 once it was well known that it would sell out regardless.

If the 4060 would have been 20-25% faster with 12GB or more of vram, it would have been fine maybe even good, nothing extraordinary but perfectly fine and would have forced a lot of price to move. Or this current card named 4050Ti and sold $250 would also have been fine/good.

Under 20% with less vram it is fine at best not good and fine at best relative to the current not good still replacing itselft market.

in my opinion, it is barely if any better than the 7600 at $270 and AMD offer was just terrible.

It can look good only because of the 7600 and market of new card in general being arguably worst, not because it is.
 
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