But if the water cooling leaks, you could make a cup of tea with it.
Haha ... but I dunno know if they used edible water in the first place.
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But if the water cooling leaks, you could make a cup of tea with it.
I would go GTX970.
Unless the R290/R290X go below 400.
260? That would be a great deal.
290X are already under 280$ in the used market.. =)...
Problem with 'used market' for AMD is that its mixed with mining cards. Do buyers just take the sellers word that the card hasnt been running 24/7 for months on end?
Thats not how this game is played.
AMD will be playing the next card in their deck, which is the same card as it was going to be before Maxwell launched.
Be prepared for a FX5800Ultra? You mean what Nvidia will need to do to answer AMD?
Wasn't the card they played the r9 285? Considering tahiti is EOL, the next card in AMD product stack is either something smaller than Tonga or the big Fiji chip which will EOL Hawaii.
It doesn't make much sense to slot something in between the 360mm2 tonga and the 500mm2 Fiji. Unless, they did something drastic to the architecture which they didn't if Tonga is anything to go by, you would just get hawaii performance if they did.
So unless they release a 20nm card which is impossible in the next 6 months, they don't have a direct response for gm204. Although Fiji could beat a GM204 card, it would take alot more power doing it and a bigger more expensive chip to do so. And it would be an empty victory if GM210 takes the crown. Being the fastest card on the market allows a premium to be charge on the card which is crucial for these monster die cards.
Tonga really needed to be a faster card. The generally poor reception/lack of excitement in comparison to the gtx 970 and 980 launches, just kills alot of faith in the company. If the launch of Tonga, came with a better reception, people wouldn't be so happy about the gtx 970/980s.
Your right that all AMD can do is play the next card in their deck, but that's going to be trouble if their deck was original stacked to play against Nvidias last gen of cards.
You can say all day they were targeting the gtx 760, but if I was either AMD or Nvidia and I was making a new 360mm2 chip, I sure would want to charge more than 250 dollars for it. But with the performance of r9 285, that's all they can charge and thats too high.
Why this spells a bit of trouble for AMD is the last time AMD lost both the performance, efficiency crown was the 8800 gtx. Typically AMD took the efficiency crown and Nvidia took the performance crown for the last 6 or 8 years(atleast when they were on the same node). But that 8800 gtx generation was a very expensive event for AMD. Can they afford another one of these bombshells? GCN is very mature at this point unlike first gen VLIW which had an over glaring flaw of too little shader power, so the fix isn't as easy for AMD this time.
You are counting chickens as runts before they hatch. If you believe AMD was expecting to compete against Kepler, well then, their sandbagging worked quite well.
Problem with 'used market' for AMD is that its mixed with mining cards. Do buyers just take the sellers word that the card hasnt been running 24/7 for months on end?
How is that any different with any other component you buy.
You never know how the item was treated when you buy used.
I still would want to sway away from mining cards and get a brand new card instead.
It's not clear such headroom actually exists in GM204.Whereas nVidia has enought thermal headroom to take their card from 165W to 250W with the need for an FX 5800 ULTRA like situation.
Thankfully, you're making it awfully easy to determine who not to listen to.There is a lot more information out there if you know where to look and who to listen to.
I'm sure the water used is quite safe to ingest, it being water and presumably non-radioactive. The additives, on the other hand, may make it quite dangerous to ingest.Haha ... but I dunno know if they used edible water in the first place.
Thats not a 970 issue but an Asus strix issue due to the cards design to prioritize quietness over absolute performance. In which case the boost may take a slight hit. Easily fixed by adjusting fan speed with a fan profile in MSI-AB. Nothing about "severe throttling" in any of the reviews of the card, it still performs like a champ.290X > 970 in raw performance because of the severe 970 throttling at the high end of power consumption.
I should know because I've been benching my strix against my oc'd 290x.
It's not clear such headroom actually exists in GM204.
Thats not a 970 issue but an Asus strix issue due to the cards design to prioritize quietness over absolute performance. In which case the boost may take a slight hit. Easily fixed by adjusting fan speed with a fan profile in MSI-AB. Nothing about "severe throttling" in any of the reviews of the card, it still performs like a champ.
It's not clear that they can reliably drive GM204 to a 250W power target with NVIDIA's requirements for chip longevity. One probably could push it that hard, but it means nothing if it's too unreliable to productize.They have still a quite large room to play with GM204 even to launch a 980TI and Titan 2.. but without AMD competition that not gona happen soon
I wouldn't touch a 290 even for $200, because its hotter, louder, sucks more power. With the 970 you're getting latest/greatest tech, better drivers, better features (Shadowplay etc) and with a mild overclock the 970's are beating 290X's, so yeah.
290X > 970 in raw performance because of the severe 970 throttling at the high end of power consumption.
I should know because I've been benching my strix against my oc'd 290x.
Going off that list you just gave, I don't think you'd touch a 290 if it was twice the speed of a titan z, and cured cancer. You're not leaving Nvidia for any reason.
I have 4 280x on sale. I think i should quickly sell them
Might as well jump in here with my question: Looking to finally replace my two aging 6970s. I have three 1440p monitors and would like to be able to run a games at even low settings so long as it's playable.
How would a single GTX 970 compare to two 6970s? What about two 970s? Would that allow for at least some gaming at 7680x1440?
a single 970 compared to your 6970s?.. being honest twice faster than your 6970s..
A single GTX 970 will be twice as fast as the two of my 6970s Crossfired? For $350? Seriously?
A single GTX 970 will be twice as fast as the two of my 6970s Crossfired? For $350? Seriously?
No... It will be faster but not twice as fast as your crossfired cards.
Some of them do, like the Zotac Amp editions:Looks like none of the 970s come with more than one DisplayPort, so I'm not sure how I'd drive all three of these monitors. My 6970s have DVI-D and two DPs. You have to go with the 980 for more than that. How unfortunate.
Might as well jump in here with my question: Looking to finally replace my two aging 6970s. I have three 1440p monitors and would like to be able to run a games at even low settings so long as it's playable.
How would a single GTX 970 compare to two 6970s? What about two 970s? Would that allow for at least some gaming at 7680x1440?
The 970 is about twice as fast as a 7870, and that card was faster than a 6970. So 970 should be more than twice as fast as 6970. The 6970 was a weak card at the time and was on par with a 570.No... It will be faster but not twice as fast as your crossfired cards.
The 970 is about twice as fast as a 7870, and that card was faster than a 6970. So 970 should be more than twice as fast as 6970. The 6970 was a weak card at the time and was on par with a 570.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GTX_970_STRIX_OC/25.html