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290 VS 970
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looking at the benches, the 970 will be nearly on par with the 780ti performance wise, yet also run cooler, quieter, and consume a huge amount less power than the 290. i'd take the 970 personally.
though i might be biased cause i'd probably take the 970 just because of that sexy ass reference shroud.
though i might be biased cause i'd probably take the 970 just because of that sexy ass reference shroud.
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AMD is supposed to be dropping prices. I'd at least wait and see what that does to used 290 market before jumping. If they are $275 now for a decent aftermarket 290 with serial based warranty, they might get down to $225 and at that price, it makes things more interesting.
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^This
^and this one too..
both agree.. AMD isn't only supposed to drop price, they have to if want to remain competitive..
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There is no reference GTX 970.
$200-$250 290's are coming, for sure.
$200-$250 290's are coming, for sure.
I wouldn't touch a 290 even for $200, because its hotter, louder, sucks more power. With the 970 you're getting latest/greatest tech, better drivers, better features (Shadowplay etc) and with a mild overclock the 970's are beating 290X's, so yeah.
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Hey Hulk,
I have two systems with Radeon 290's and 290x's and I don't think there is a compelling reason to upgrade to the 970, that being said if buying new it looks like Nvidia is trying to price itself such that it can destroy the 290x's and 290s with what you are getting. Hopefully we don't get the usual market where vendors "run" out of inventory and start gouging the consumers and you can get a great deal on a new GPU. I would personally say get the best bang you could on a set budget, which right now looks like a 970.
I have two systems with Radeon 290's and 290x's and I don't think there is a compelling reason to upgrade to the 970, that being said if buying new it looks like Nvidia is trying to price itself such that it can destroy the 290x's and 290s with what you are getting. Hopefully we don't get the usual market where vendors "run" out of inventory and start gouging the consumers and you can get a great deal on a new GPU. I would personally say get the best bang you could on a set budget, which right now looks like a 970.
I would buy a 290 for $200, but that's where it would have to be at for me to choose it over a 970.
Given the 970's pricing its hard to consider mentioning AMD if you were looking at spending around the $300 mark. The price cuts and additional games may be compelling to wait and go with AMD, but given the HDMI 2.0, 145W TDP, performance nearing a 780ti (which is almost = to a 290X) unless the 290 is under $230 with a custom cooler its hard to pick it. Also consider the extra heat, noise, and power usage with the 290.
The used market will also be interesting if you ever considered that.
The used market will also be interesting if you ever considered that.
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Yup, just bought myself a used Powercolor PCS+ R9 290 for 3 way crossfire. $260
Yeah I would wait and see what AMD does. AMD will probably make a price change, although it probably wont be a huge one but every little bit less does help. nVidia could counter it too which would be the best for consumers. A price war! Seriously doubt that would happen but one can dream. 
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Yeah I would wait and see what AMD does. AMD will probably make a price change, although it probably wont be a huge one but every little bit less does help. nVidia could counter it too which would be the best for consumers. A price war! Seriously doubt that would happen but one can dream.
Nvidia still have some Cards in case of any emergency, like a 970TI to fill the gap between 970 and 980 or even a 960TI (just like the 660TI in their times, with same GK104 as 980)... can you imagine a 250$ 960TI with a similar performance to a 780?.. =D (well thats a truly dream
)In actual use the user wont notice any difference between cards.
its like ssd, you buy the first one and its mind blowing fast but any new buy you go for size as speed wont matter anymore. I still use a 4 year old ssd and any new buy I make will be for size.
I still wait for the shrinked generation either it be 20nm or 16nm.
Nvidia still have some Cards in case of any emergency, like a 970TI to fill the gap between 970 and 980 or even a 960TI (just like the 660TI in their times, with same GK104 as 980)... can you imagine a 250$ 960TI with a similar performance to a 780?.. =D (well thats a truly dream
There wont be a 970ti. What will happen is when the 980ti is released the 980 will drop in price. I do agree that the 960ti will be some card, but haven't heard anything about it yet.
At least for me, neither AMD or Nvidia has any features in their cards that would sway my purchasing decision even the slightest. Only things that matter to me are 1) price / frames and 2) Noise. I don`t give a toss about heat, multi-GPU driver quality (or lack thereof), hardware-dependent syncing methods or streamlined graphics APIs.
So if 290 ends up substantially cheaper after they finish up with the post-launch price cuts than 970 I`d get one in a heartbeat. If price difference is marginal, 970 all the way.
So if 290 ends up substantially cheaper after they finish up with the post-launch price cuts than 970 I`d get one in a heartbeat. If price difference is marginal, 970 all the way.
I JUST got a used Sapphire Tri-X 290 off of ebay for $300 last week. Now I'm feeling really bad. Should I just sell the 290 on Ebay ASAP and wait for a 970? Or am I better sticking with what I've got? I'd like a warranty, but performance and noise are also key.
Nvidia still have some Cards in case of any emergency, like a 970TI to fill the gap between 970 and 980 or even a 960TI (just like the 660TI in their times, with same GK104 as 980)... can you imagine a 250$ 960TI with a similar performance to a 780?.. =D (well thats a truly dream
I don't see any room in the current line up for a 970ti performance wise. The performance gap for between the 970 and 980 is just not that big. I think we're more likely to see a 970ti, etc as a 16/20nm refresh. We're more likely to see a price drop on the GTX 980 after a few months than a 970ti, imho.
I would argue that there is a direct correlation between heat and noise.
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Not really.. reference Nvidia cards run hot as designed per temperature target.. but the Titan Style cooler its just amazing to keep the noise low and the card in the thermal limit even with higher than factory advertised turbo boost speed and with just and adjustment in the fan profile things can just go better..
Or wait and see what Amd comes out with ? Theres no reason to be in a rush for most peeps here anyways. We all have cards able to play games at max or close to max options so why not wait and see what Amd has waiting in the shadows....you never know.
They're fairly similar FPS wise, but the 970 uses less power, runs a bit cooler, and costs less, not to mention NVidia has quite a few nice features exclusive to them. Beforehand I would have went with the 290x over the 780 ti, but as is, you might as well go with the 970 GTX or wait six or more months for the 390x. AMD has been in the recent habit of pushing power with less regard to wattage and heat while NVidia is lowering wattage while making more minimal increases to power (see 580 GTX vs HD 7970 or 780 GTX vs 290x). The recent rumor of the 390x possibly being water cooled right out of the gate seems to support that assumption.
I doubt AMD can get power efficient overnight even if they launch something new.
nVidia has changed the dynamics of the game. AMD has to wait for 20nm now which could take 6 months or more to have a concrete answer to Maxwell. You can wait till that time or buy something stop gap / hot clocked that AMD might launch in the coming weeks. But be prepared for their FX 5800 Ultra in the coming days and we all know how that ended up.
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im just hoping to not see another AMD GPU answer like the FX 9590 CPU answer was with intel in their time.... U_U.. if the *Rumored name* 390X will be a fatty chip (and probably will be as rumored to be Water cooled).. at least to run moderately efficient..
Thats not how this game is played.
AMD will be playing the next card in their deck, which is the same card as it was going to be before Maxwell launched.
Be prepared for a FX5800Ultra? You mean what Nvidia will need to do to answer AMD?
AMD doesn't have any answer yet. All they can do is get a watercooled 390X out to cool the damn thing.
Whereas nVidia has enought thermal headroom to take their card from 165W to 250W with the need for an FX 5800 ULTRA like situation.
On the other hand, AMD in an effort to produce the 390X will surely break the 300W barrier.
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AMD have to play hard and have to think very well how it will answer nvidia, because nvidia have already a possible answer to AMD, Cut the Price of the 980 and launch a 980TI..
It kinda depends if you think of heat as temps or heat as in TDP. I generally think lower TDP, less heat generated, the slower fans need to spin. As long as my GPU is staying quiet and not throttling, I don't really care about the actual temp the card is running at.
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thats true but remember how are designed Turbo boost 2.0 to automatically overclock the GPU until reach certain thermal limit between the power limit stock or chosen by the user.. the lower TDP the cooler the card will run thats correct but that under stock clocks, when the card automatically start to overclock until reach certain limit (in this case 80C) then it will run hotter even with lower TDP.. aftermarket cards with better cooling efficiency allow the card to out of the box reach first the TDP instead of the temperature limit allowing the card to automatically reach higher clocks staying cold and with low noise levels. card like the windforce are able to run at 100% fan and still be quieter than a reference card providing of course better cooling.. the recent case of the cards like the Asus Strixx are even better because the fan will stay off until the card touch the 60C or 65C I think so the noise its practically out of the formula.. I do really care about both temperature and noise levels and thats why i use in all my cards a quite aggressive custom fan curve, so the lower the card operate the lower the fan have to spin..
Might want to check your sources.
Any sources you want to quote?
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second to ask the same... all rumors appear to point to the same watercooled 390X...
Not really. If you don't want to take the time, I'm certainly not going to waste mine.
I don't think you have anything to quote apart from a possible 390X shroud that is supposed to incorporate water cooling.
If that is what AMD has to do to compete with the GTX 980, then it would be a great deal of shame. TDP 165W vs. 300+ W is not my cup of tea.
There is a lot more information out there if you know where to look and who to listen to.
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But if the water cooling leaks, you could make a cup of tea with it.