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i will be a long while before someone convince me that Xeons X56** are obsolete CPUs:
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Is that with both Xeons?
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i will be a long while before someone convince me that Xeons X56** are obsolete CPUs:
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yes xeon and ram ,i was in the same spot with you had i7 950 @ 4ghz and 6gb ram,saw huge performance with xeon and more ram ,i only use my pc for gaming nothing else.video above i think answer all you questions ,this guy has also more x58 videos ,a tutorial as well how to overclock a xeon.
Are you actually saying I won't see much of a benefit with 6 Core W3680 over the 4C8HT 930 i have right now at 4Ghz becaues you worded that a little wierdly. And yes, the most demanding thing I do on the regular is game and again I game at 4K, or 1080p3D or 1440p3D
Yup as long as you can overclock normally you should be able to hit 4.4 ghz you should be able to get around 1,800 passmark in single core ( I push my W3680 to 4ghz in intel XTU as that is the only way for me ). Games really do not use more than 4 cores so having 6 would do nothing in games. This is why the X5672 is a popular X58 processor. Dirt cheap, 4 core that is among the fastest clocks.
x58 are still good CPUs for sure, but there are getting long in the tooth.
Keep in mind if the game only uses 4 cores and you have 6, that leaves 2 cores for the operating system, anti-virus, other background apps running.
The hexcore xeons are 32nm down from 45nm of the old 9xx CPU so they tend to run cooler.
If all someone does is game, it is a worthwhile upgrade. If you need AVX, AVX2 or FMA3, then you have to upgrade.
They are very easy to overclock. set the buss to 200 and the multiplier to 20, 21, or 22 to get 4ghz, 4.2 or 4.4
Lower the memory speed to start cause it will go up when you raise the buss.
Set the uncore to 2 x ram speed, keep the uncore voltage under 1.35, try to keep the CPUv at 1.35 or lower and you should be good.
Set the QPI to the lowest setting, not slow mode though
If you get the w3680 it is multiplier unlocked just like the 980x, basically the same CPU Even easier to OC
There is plenty of help available here to get you going.
Not talking a lot of money to try it, if not happy sell the xeon and x58 board and upgrade.
And the other question, yes the 8600k is a great bang for the buck CPU if you go used. Even seeing the 9600k on sale for around 250$ new
I have two of them and an i7-8086k, and they are great CPUs, they like fast memory too. Starts getting expensive DDR4-3400 and up.
I think you will do better with the hexcore on a 1440, maybe even on the 1080P. Depends on what is running in the back ground, what you play, the resolution.
I do not know anyone that bought one and regretted it.
It is not like you are spending a couple hundred dollrs to test and see. The xeon x5675 is 30$ here.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon...:sc:USPSFirstClass!12603!US!-1&frcectupt=true
27$ https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon...849997?hash=item3b2c9235cd:g:h74AAOSwM1FcZtQ5
They are server pull so it is fairly safe it was not overclocked and beat on.
Used 8600k run around 200, seen new 9600k on sale for around 250$
I got my EVGA z370 FTW for 120$ when EVGA ran a sale and I paid if I remember 119? for my Asrock z370 Killer A/C SLI from newegg.
Also Just bought an EVGA x99 Classified for 99 from EVGA when it was on sale 2 weeks ago. Also got x99 FTW for 49$ when it was on sale last Fall. They were B-stock.
Got a new x99 FTW for 100 on sale, and bought one Asus x99 Stryx from [H] forums for 150 or so a while back
Got the 8086 and a EVGA z370 FTW ere on [H] for 400 both NIB unopened. That was a good deal.
Got a 5 pack of x79 P9 WS from the egg a few years ago and a bunch of e5-1650 for 75$ each.
Most all I buy is used unless I get a great deal, or else I could not build all these systems.
I have a couple dual processor LGA 1366 and a couple dual LGA 2011 e5-2670 8 cores, and a dual AMD G34 with 2, 6378 16 core each and a quad socked G34 with4, 6180 12 cores each.
Getting ready to sell of some hardware, I have way too much, like 300 cores. I heat my house in the Winter with computers.
if you see the rest of the videos of tech yes you will see how well 6 cores can play.
new games use 6 or more cores so yes you will gain.
if you cant replace the cpu (if you have not done it before its risky to damage your motherboard) and dont want to learn overclocking understand,but anything than that i think you should try it ,it will cost less than 15$ for a x5650 and you will not need more than 4ghz overclock which is easy.
also dont forget the ram you have only 6gb ,battlefield v for example use more than 8gb in my pc and i am not playing 4k
I mean, it is like this, do you have several hundred dollars to spend? Do you feel like spending i? If you do or there other things that need attention before a new system?
If you have the bucks burning a hole in your pocket, and you have the itch to build a new one, go fo it. You go around once and can not take it with you.
You can sell off the x58 system to offset the cost.
If money is tight, but you have 27$ and feel like tinkering with your system and want to get more out of it and have it maybe last a couple more years. get the xeon x5675........
I know, what to do, what to do, what to do!!
What ever you decide to do, good luck with it.
X chips work in multi processor setups W chips won't. That is the basic difference. The W3680 and W3690 both have unlocked multipliers and are the only X58 Xeons to have the capability ( Can software overclock even in an OEM ). The X5680/90 are locked multiplier versions of the same chip
You can overclock any of them. A W3680 is a good bet to get it at 4.4 ghz but they should all be able to hit at least 4.2 and most will do 4.4 as well. It is a lottery as always
Processor prices have dropped considerably where a 4 core makes little sense to buy. But an x5650 60 70 are a good bet for the $20 to $60 they cost
Nobody said anything about quad. They were saying I need a processor with stronger IPC instead of more cores of the same processor
Almost anyone with an X58 at 4.2GHz or higher complaining of a 980 Ti or 1070 bottleneck (1080 is where the per thread performance is iffy, but even then an X5675 is nearly a Ryzen 7 1600 in non-compute performance), is experiencing DPC latency spikes from something else (onboard sound driver panels are notorious for this), or the vendor of the video card has a design that relies on newer PCI-E specification bandwidth availability (hypothetical, I've only experienced it with RAID controllers and 10gbE on x4) CPU technology has been at a snails pace since 2010, with just additional SSE instruction sets (AVX is a big one), volt decreases, and pasting more cores on.
If you have DDR3 that runs at 1.35v available, and are buying used it might be better to target a Haswell system with DDR3L support with a 1080 Ti or faster, but even then -- only if you're gaming at a lower resolution will it matter over Westmere (strictly for gaming.) Pushing 2560x1440 or higher, there isn't going to be a bottleneck because it's going to be using the GPU more than the CPU.
IPC as a metric means basically zilch after 8 or more single precision IPC (and 4 for double), until you're getting into taxing memory and PCI-E throughput limits. IPC != single threaded performance metric (though when paired together, is a good measure for efficiency), it's just architectural indicator jargon. We aren't comparing x86 to ARM, we're comparing x86 to x86. IPC is still 8-bit width, just more extensions involved as time goes on requiring more precision availability. When you see the IPC jump from Sandy Bridge to Haswell as being double, it's marketing -- the real world impact has been ~5-10% for all but maxed out edge case workloads. Westmere to Sandy Bridge in integer performance basically doubles, but it isn't a big deal unless you're encoding, or doing something involving heavy arithmetic (not games), and despite that double performance integer speed -- clock per clock, we're only talking 10% difference real world (again.) Conversation like this always takes me back to the movie Hackers, where they're all oogling over Acid Burn's laptop... these repeated buzzwords, man.
Almost anyone with an X58 at 4.2GHz or higher complaining of a 980 Ti or 1070 bottleneck (1080 is where the per thread performance is iffy, but even then an X5675 is nearly a Ryzen 7 1600 in non-compute performance), is experiencing DPC latency spikes from something else
I'm very skeptical that a Xeon of X58 would help at all...except maybe in AC Origins? Can't think of any games that use a lot of CPU
This is flat-out not true.
I am intimately familiar with DPC latency and frankly, how computers function in general....
Numbers don't lie and I'm honestly a little uncomfortable with you spreading this false information.
<- Owned Nehalem till 2 months ago, only interested in people knowing the truth
Getting my 12Gb ram will tell me some things. Right now people with 7700 to 8700k to 9900k are getting better frames than me with a 1080 Ti at 4K. Thats why I am stressing if gulftown Xeon is gonna help me at all at that resolution or if i should just stick with my 930 till I am ready for overhaul
Again I am playing at 4K, 4K3D strictly or 1440p3D. I'm very skeptical that a Xeon of X58 would help at all...except maybe in AC Origins? Can't think of any games that use a lot of CPU
You might think you know what you're talking about, but you really don't.
comparing a 4 core / 8 thread CPU to a 6 core / 12 thread CPU in 3Dmark of all things, is incredibly disingenuous and misrepresenting the facts.
It is not easy to detect where the bottleneck start , if at all.
That's because 3dmark is not a good measurement of real-world performance.
It is very easy to detect in real-world applications.
Unless your talking about Counterstrike or similar low-demand games, 120hz is NOT happening on Nehalem/X58/Gulftown.
Please take your time and visit this thread, nothing like a [H]ard user testing a 1080ti on a lowly 920 to destroy your claims:
https://hardforum.com/threads/gtx-1080-ti-old-i7-920-3-6ghz-bench.1943692/
You put any modern game between those two platforms and monitor the min/avg/max fps
My daugther PC's runs a 2600K. not a chance in hell that i would go back to a 4c8t child's toy.
Like this?
https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2980-intel-i7-930-revisit-nehalem-benchmarks-2017/page-3
A lowly 930 at a meager 4Ghz is doing 118+ fps on many games there.
this is not about defending a platform.
it is about debunking myths based on thin air.
A good X58 Xeon is Ryzen 1500-1700 competition. for a fraction of the cost if one has a X58 mobo.
of course if one has such xeon and is legitimately looking for an upgrade they must look quite high: 6c12t 5GHz CPUs .
my case is even worse, my $50 CPUs would replaced by chips that cost 10-20 times more. And then i look at how much heat a Threadripper/ 9900k generates and realizes that i am fortunate to have my cores spread across 2 chips.
My daugther PC's runs a 2600K. not a chance in hell that i would go back to a 4c8t child's toy.
Eh, I'l prbly order a Xeon then and install it since they're cheap enough. I doubt I'll get any performance boosts tbh since its the same IPC but eh its only 20 to 30 bucks. Which Xeon should I get? 56xx or 36xx?
And My current ram is Corsair XMS 1600mhz 1.65v. Won't my ram limit how high i can go? I feel like I'd be limited to 4.1GHz with a Xeon since the x58 tied ram speed and core speed to the same clock
I would recommend an x5670 or x5675 given today's low prices. Ram will be perfect. Set memory multiplier to 8x and blck to 200. Then ram runs at 1600 mhz. Then CPU becomes 200 x 21 for 4.2 Ghz. Or 200 x 20 for 4.0 Ghz, etc.
as sais above worst case scenario buy x5650 for 15$ 20x200 you got 4ghz
any disadvantage compared to a w36xx?
And is there any way to get above 4.1Ghz with my 1600mhz ram?
just put the RAM at 1066/1333 and select the adequate FSB strap. I run 6x8GB of ECC 1333 DDR3 like 1066 at 2:8 strap. effective memory speed around 1250mhz( and yes, i like to preserve my SR as much as possible, because the chipset runs very hot with 6 sticks).
Your 1600mhz RAM is almost overkill.
Then again x5660 or higher multiplier chips are not that expensive and will run at lower FSB.
I don't know what SR, FSB is? maybe 10 years ago when I built my X58 and OC'd it but I done forgot everythign
I don't know what SR, FSB is? maybe 10 years ago when I built my X58 and OC'd it but I done forgot everythign