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1155 vs 2011

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Kurlon

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I'm shopping for a system to build into the Antec Eleven Hundred case I won earlier and am stuck between two build options.

Bear in mind, the last system I built, that this will be replacing is at least 8 years old at this point, an iWill DP533 with a pair of abused 2.4ghz P4 based Xeons and a tired ATi HD2600 AGP video card. I built the box to be 'big' back in the day, and that served me well for quite a long time, I'm looking to repeat that build mentality. Max the RAM and storage perf, upgrade the video card as needed over time.

I've already settled on the storage, a Revodrive X3 240GB PCIe unit. Video is looking to be an Nvidia 560 Ti card. Where I'm not 100% is the motherboard.

If I go with a LGA 2011 based cpu, I get 4 memory channels and can shove 64GB of RAM down it's throat, which is quite doable with today's RAM prices. This puts me into a Sandy Bridge based i7 CPU. 64GB costs less than my original Antec TruPower 550w EPS 12+ power supply from my old box.

If I go with a LGA 1155 based cpu, I can get a good i5 Ivy Bridge CPU and save some cash there, but I'll be limited to 32GB of RAM.

Is there enough of a gain from the newer core and PCIe 3.0 support to forgo the LGA 2011 option and support for more RAM?
 
Why do you need 64GB, or even 32GB? VMs? Some kind of work?

Having had Sandy Bridge, Sandy Bridge-E and Ivy Bridge, just go with IB unless you need the X79 chipset for something important. What is this rig for? A revodrive is expensive and unreliable, but you chose a 560ti for graphics?
 
Mainly future proofing. My laptop has 8GB already, I've got 16GB in my workstation at work, I'd like to have 32GB in both, and with the low price for 64GB if I can afford it I don't see a downside?
 
Kurlon said:
Mainly future proofing. My laptop has 8GB already, I've got 16GB in my workstation at work, I'd like to have 32GB in both, and with the low price for 64GB if I can afford it I don't see a downside?
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Low price of $350+? I would cut it down to 16GB of some nice overclocking RAM and put the extra towards a decent GPU like a GTX 670 if you like Nvidia. I also wouldn't put a revodrive anywhere near my machine, something like the Samsung 830 series 256GB will be much more reliable if you're going long-term on this build.
 
LigTasm said:
Only if you're running an AMD card, apparently :mad: . Not that it makes a whole lot of difference right now.
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Really? Do explain or do you have a link I mean I'm a noob with these new platforms and I just don't quite get what you're saying.
 
LordofWar said:
Really? Do explain or do you have a link I mean I'm a noob with these new platforms and I just don't quite get what you're saying.
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Here's a quote from another thread about it:


sk3tch said:
After saying they were "certifying" for months...they finally came out and admitted - no support for PCIe 3.0 on X79 with the GTX 670 and 680. Big problem for mGPU users like myself (tri-SLI or higher) - as SLI and others see little benefit from PCIe 3.0...



Source: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=232153&st=0

FYI - the tool they provided just performs the PCIe 3.0 registry hack that has been floating around for a couple of months...causes my RIVE to go bonkers. I'm moving to Z77.

EDIT: also note that AMD supports PCIe 3.0 with X79. My 7970 CFX rig is PCIe 3.0.
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PCI-E 3.0 can be "hacked" on through the registry on an X79 board with an Nvidia card, but there is no telling if it will work properly or just crash like crazy. People that have done it reported varying degrees of success (or lack thereof).
 
If you edit videos, you should go dump 64 GB on your machine. I have 32 GB and I still hit the limit when editing my videos (yes I love caching them to memory instead of the hard drive).
 
OP what do you use your computer for? I would not bother with the Revodrive unless you are doing some kind of high speed transactional DB type stuff for some reason. I would buy an 1155 platform and a better video card, a 560Ti is already outdated and not fast enough for games like Battlefield 3.
 
I had the same dilema recently..You could also use a 1155 E3 Xeon as long as you're on Z77/H77. The Asrock board I purchased has support officially. I went with the E3 1245 V2 (with onboard video) for about $260. Which is considerably cheaper than a comparably specd ib i7.

also there's more reasons for PCIe 3.0 than for a GPU. I am dropping a PCIe 3.0 HBA card into mine. (waiting on parts now) If you haven't totally set yourself on the Revo, you could get something like a LSI 9207-8i and hang a bunch of SSD's off of it.
 
I would say if you are "future proofing" go for the x79 route, you can pickup the quad core variant the 3820 from microcenter from 229 and there have been motherboards sub 200 especially if you dont mind refurb ones. Now if you want to upgrade in a few years look for the 8 core xeon variants on ebay and boom you just made you platform last. Just my 2c
 
2011 has poor price performance. Unless you're doing anything that'll leverage 64 GB of RAM get 1155. In not to far in the future that 2011 will be as slow and hot running as we think of P4 now.
 
You won't really notice any difference betwwen PCI-e 2.0 and PCI-e 3.0. I would stick with 1155 if you don't plan to do crazy multi-core processing. You save a bunch sticking with 1155 anyways. No need to buy the biggest and baddest parts if you don't intend to utilize all of its performance.
 
Future proofing almost never makes financial sense. You're better off buying exactly what you need right now and using all of the money you saved to do an on-the-spot upgrade as soon as you actually run into a limitation.

Unless you really, really, really need 64GB of RAM right now you're better off with LGA 1155.
 
16GB is more than enough for most people. No such thing as future-proofing in computers.
 
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future proof lol - nothing in the computing is future proof. buy the computer for you need it for now and a few months time and hope it lasts for years to come.

Socket 2011 is good but pcie-3 issues is a downer and 1155 just doesnt have enough lanes.

users choice really
 
[I recently upgraded to a socket 2011 system. It was only due in part to a guy wanting to buy the O/Ced I7-920 system I was using. Had that not happen. I'd still be using it. That said, I went out and got an I7-3820 from M/C for 229, a Biostar TP X79 from Amazon for 229 (now 214) and purchased an additional module to match the three 4GB Patriot series7 modules I already owned. Unless you're doing something super 'extreme', 16GB is all you'll ever need. I do lot's of video editing. I never got anywhere close to that limit. That's $458 for the two most important components in the system. The I7-3770K is what...about $339? A difference of $119. I'd say it's a 'smoking' deal if you want future-proof. That term doesn't exist though. I run mine at 100FSB x 41= 4.1GHz on stock voltages. It's fast and stable as hell too.
 
a decent SSD coupled with anywhere from 6-8GBs of ram is way more than enough for gaming..,, sorry, i just fail to see how 32GB or 64GB would benefit you
 
This is [H]. We don't ask why.

On the OP's question...
Socket 2011 is great if you need/want the extra ram & don't mind having a (basically) dead socket. On the other hand socket 1155 gets you an impressive 32g of ram, thunderbolt (Z77), and probably another generation of CPU's (if you're lucky).

Personally, I'm in the middle of deciding between the Maximus V Formula & the P8C WS. My current system is a P5Q Pro/E8400 (not as impressively 'aged' as your system). I had 8g of ram in it when everyone was saying that 2 was fine & 4 was pushing it. Would have put 16g in if anyone was making them back then (OCZ actually had some, but they were very hard to find. Now they are crazy expensive).
 
2011 is for gross amounts of large work.

1155 is for gamers.

2011 is for gamers who do large amounts of work.

1155 is for gamers.

2011 is for people with deep pockets.

1155 is for normal incomed people.

2011 is for people who want like 4 video cards.

1155 is for people who dont want 4 video cards.

2011 is for people who want to have "B@D@$$" in their signatures.

1155 is for people who are B@D@$$ gamers.

2011 is not 1155

1155 is not 2011

Hope my wisdom helps.
 
drgnfang said:
This is [H]. We don't ask why.

On the OP's question...
Socket 2011 is great if you need/want the extra ram & don't mind having a (basically) dead socket. On the other hand socket 1155 gets you an impressive 32g of ram, thunderbolt (Z77), and probably another generation of CPU's (if you're lucky).

Personally, I'm in the middle of deciding between the Maximus V Formula & the P8C WS. My current system is a P5Q Pro/E8400 (not as impressively 'aged' as your system). I had 8g of ram in it when everyone was saying that 2 was fine & 4 was pushing it. Would have put 16g in if anyone was making them back then (OCZ actually had some, but they were very hard to find. Now they are crazy expensive).
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LOL dead socket.... @ 5ghz we aint dead for years home slice.

Also there is going to be ivy-e (possibly) and when haswell comes out I will still be encoding videos faster than others.
 
tangoseal said:
LOL dead socket.... @ 5ghz we aint dead for years home slice.

Also there is going to be ivy-e (possibly) and when haswell comes out I will still be encoding videos faster than others.
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You forget history so soon?

Is 1366 @4.5gHz not dead too? Once 1155 came out enthusiast people lost interest in 1366 as 1155 was the same price or cheaper and it ran cooler and performed better...sure people with i7-920s/930s/950s could "upgrade" to a Gulftown, but why spend the massive load of cash when the new socket/board performed better and ran cooler? With a new mainstream socket due out around or before IB-E, and the minor performance bump of mainstream SB to IB...I'd be pleasantly surprised if the new IB-E parts do better than 1150 Haswell, apart from tasks that benefit and leverage pure core/thread count.
 
2011 is a workstation board that is full of PCI-E lanes for running like 4 GPU's. If that's not your plan then stick with what you can afford and stop worrying about your epeen. There's a reason why 1155 has all of the cool features and 2011 is boring other than a different socket.
 
drgnfang said:
This is [H]. We don't ask why.

On the OP's question...
Socket 2011 is great if you need/want the extra ram & don't mind having a (basically) dead socket. On the other hand socket 1155 gets you an impressive 32g of ram, thunderbolt (Z77), and probably another generation of CPU's (if you're lucky).
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A "dead" socket that has CPU plans projected to 2014 while 1155 will be replaced by 1150 much sooner than that? I think you have your dead sockets backwards.

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LigTasm said:
A "dead" socket that has CPU plans projected to 2014 while 1155 will be replaced by 1150 much sooner than that? I think you have your dead sockets backwards.

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Socket 2011 for Sandy Bridge E and soon Ivy Bridge E processors is technically a dead socket. If Fudzilla is to be believed, Haswell processors using socket 2011 will not be backwards compatible with SB E/IVB E boards and those processors will not be compatible on Haswell socket 2011 boards. :eek:

Even with the same pin count, it's rumored they may not be backwards compatible at all.

So, it's technically a dead socket until after IVB E is released.
 
octoberasian said:
Socket 2011 for Sandy Bridge E and soon Ivy Bridge E processors is technically a dead socket. If Fudzilla is to be believed, Haswell processors using socket 2011 will not be backwards compatible with SB E/IVB E boards and those processors will not be compatible on Haswell socket 2011 boards. :eek:

Even with the same pin count, it's rumored they may not be backwards compatible at all.

So, it's technically a dead socket until after IVB E is released.
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However AM3, FM1 and lga1155 all die next year as well. Don't they?
 
octoberasian said:
Socket 2011 for Sandy Bridge E and soon Ivy Bridge E processors is technically a dead socket. If Fudzilla is to be believed, Haswell processors using socket 2011 will not be backwards compatible with SB E/IVB E boards and those processors will not be compatible on Haswell socket 2011 boards. :eek:

Even with the same pin count, it's rumored they may not be backwards compatible at all.

So, it's technically a dead socket until after IVB E is released.
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But when will Haswell-E come out? Probably not for a year or so after that if at all. I'm not saying it won't die, I was just pointing out that 1155 is gone sooner. I wouldn't base my decision on that kind of thing anyway, only what features I need.
 
I can accept that 1155 will die sooner (again, we don't ask why - but we do provide the correct information so that people can make informed decisions on their own - thank you for the correction).
 
drgnfang said:
I can accept that 1155 will die sooner (again, we don't ask why - but we do provide the correct information so that people can make informed decisions on their own - thank you for the correction).
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Yeah, thats all I meant. For me the only reason that would matter is if your board died, getting a replacement might be more difficult if you wanted to keep the CPU for a while.
 
Hmmm, I'm inclined to recommend you wait for Haswell. You've been chugging along with your current system for this long, so what's another 6-9 months?

If you don't want to wait, then get a Z77 and 3570K or X79 and 3820, keeping the budget modest. That way, when Haswell does come out, you can assess whether or not it's worth overhauling again, or just upgrade the parts for your platform, like a 3770K or 3930K, more RAM, bigger SSD, better GPU, etc.
 
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Unless you need all that ram and power, you'd almost certainly be better off building a somewhat less extreme rig, and just upgrading more often.

But to address your questions.

As yourself the following: Do you need 6 cores? If you render/encode a lot maybe this will be a yes, in which case there is no other option than X79.

If the answer is no, then you are going to be choosing between a 3820 on x79 or a 3770 Ivy Bridge.

Do you have a need for lots of PCIe lanes? If yes, go X79. LGA1155 boards will ahve fewer PCIe lanes, and thus less expandability.

USB on X79 is not native USB3, but it really doesn't matter as pretty much every board out there has a 3rd party controller built in.

X79 isn't officially support PCIe 3.0, but it is designed to PCIe 3.0 standards, and most PCIe 3.0 boards will work at 3.0 speeds. The GeForce 600 series is a notable exception though.
 
If you can't name a reason why you need 64GB ram and six cores, you don't need it.

Modern games STILL do not use more than 3GB ram, and 4GB is still no restriction (so long as you close memory-hungry stuff before you play). 8GB is completely comfortable gaming with tons of stuff left open. Games have been stuck at this limit to provide maximum compatibility (for all the people who bought 32-bit versions of Windows Vista and 7), and they will maintain this memory usage for the next couple years until a majority of modern systems have a 64-bit OS (only this year have OEMs started to standardize on > 4GB and 64-bit OSes).

Once they pass this barrier (and we get help from the next generation of consoles) around 2014, I expect the memory usage to grow at the same rate it did before we hit the 32-bit ceiling: doubling of memory usage every 2-3 years. Worst-case, it will be:

8GB in 2016
16GB in 2018
32GB in 2020.

Given that, a motherboard with support for 32GB gives you 8 years of solid gaming and general usage support. That's exactly how far your overpriced dual Xeon setup got you, and you can get there at a bargain price!
 
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You definitely do not need 32GB or 64GB of memory... Thats an easy answer. Cores comes down to how much mutlitasking you do. Its highly unlikely anyone needs more than 4 cores unless you do some crazy stuff. Most people never even utilize 4 cores... I used to do hardcore dvd encoding/transcoding/compiling and even then, I did that with a dual-core CPU and never had any issues.

I agree with the below posters. If you have to ask if you need something, you dont need it...period.
 
I have 32Gb in my box.

I probably only ever use 24GB of it.


4GB for games and programs
4GB buffer so I can turn off the swap disk
16GB for RAM Disk.
 
So, as I hoped, some good reading so far from this thread. As to my intended uses, gaming is a secondary function for my primary system most of the time. I'm a heavy VM user, as well as a big user of distcc so core count does directly impact some of my work load. That said, anything is faster than old faithful at this point.

On the RAM and future proofing, the theory worked once, I know I'll be paying more by maxing out the RAM now as opposed to down the road, but again the cost is so low compared to years past.

The Revo drive may be dropped from the shopping list, the price has gone up $200 since I last looked at it on NewEgg, all the PCIe Revo's have jumped actually. Not sure what is up with that.
 
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