LG's 2016 OLED series (E6,B6,G6,C6)

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Didn't see a thread on these sets yet. Anyone using these for PC/HTPC usage or gaming? There are thousands of posts on these sets over at AVSforums but 90% of the posters there are primarily focused home theater. [H] has a more PC oriented bent so figured I'd start a thread here also.

Obviously they all do 4:4:4 at 4k/60hz and 1080p. All of the panels other than the B6 have input lag when in game mode in the 34ms range. Not great, but a big improvement on last year's models which were in the 50's. The B6 is 44ms in game mode. One poster at AVS says game mode disables 4:4:4, like the Samsung LCD models, and according to review websites outside game mode and without interpolation the input lag gets up to 57-62ms unfortunately (HDTVtest and Rtings had two different readings). Dealbreaker for some I am sure if that is accurate.

The C6 is curved, all the others are flat. The G6 is the "premium" "picture on glass" model and is only available in 75" and 65". All the others are available in 65" or 55". The E6 is the next step down and also includes a soundbar, while the C6 and the B6 are priced about $1k lower without the soundbar. If the B6 did not have higher input lag, it would be the one to get, but it does so....yeah that's unfortunate. The E6 looks like the sweet spot unless you like curved screens.

PQ looks to be the same for all the panels (copied from AVS forums):

All have 10-bit panels.

All meet UHD Premium specs.

All support HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

So any lucky mofos out there have one of these? What do you think of it? Due to its size it's not really a desk monitor (i.e., no 40" models) so it's limited to those of us on [H] who either don't mind something gargantuan on a desk or have a living room setup. The PQ on these is pretty great and better than basically anything else available, according to almost every review site.
 
Vega and Nightmare3129 have the C6 and use it for pc use and pc gaming. They both love it.

BTW I was the one that tested all of those Oled's with my Leo Bodnar and posted them on AVsforum and AVforums. If you don't change the hdmi input as PC, you won't get 4:4:4, that is the only way to get 4:4:4 chroma on the oled's and of course there is about 16ms more lag in pc mode per the Leo Bodnar tester.

Samsung ks8000 and ks9000 in game mode does 4:2:2 chroma with uhd color on and they get 20ms of input lag versus the variable lag that those oled's have ( I have tested them and they change alot, upwards of 16-18ms each time I tested them making the 34ms show as almost 50ms!! ). I still feel that the lag is too high on the oled's BUT Vega and Nightmare3129 state that it is totally usable and I do trust both of them. So I may get the C6 and see how it goes lol.
 
Is there something about OLED that leads to the variable input lag you found in your tests? I've never seen such high variation in other LCD panels.
 
You must have misunderstood the question. Nowhere on that page do they describe a specific model putting out a wide range of input lag measurements within a single setting, as far as I can tell.
 
illram said:
You must have misunderstood the question. Nowhere on that page do they describe a specific model putting out a wide range of input lag measurements within a single setting, as far as I can tell.
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Ah I see what you mean. That is strange. Maybe the Leo Bodnar test coolhandm3 did isn't accurate? Much like how it doesn't work with the Vizio P65-C1's HDMI 5 port. Plus, the test isn't the best for UHD TVs as the TV can still introduce delay scaling the signal from 1080p to UHD.
 
Been thinking about picking up an OLED TV, myself, but I'm waiting until later in the year to see what Samsung can bring to the table. I primarily want one for movies, though, but I am interested in seeing how games play on them. The contrast and vibrancy could make a huge difference.
 
I haven't tried a 4K OLED yet, but for my living room I returned the Samsung 4K I had for a 1080P OLED last year and haven't looked back. The picture just has so much more depth on an OLED even with a lower res. There was no comparison, the OLED was just night and day better in terms of overall PQ.

Probably going to replace my computer monitor with the C6 later this fall when prices drop more
 
If you're a person that always watches TV with lights on in the room, is OLED even necessary? Some people in my family have asked me about OLED, and I've told them it's awesome. But I'm wondering if it's even possible to notice the deeper blacks and contrast when you have 3 lamps on in the room
 
EnhancedInterrogator said:
If you're a person that always watches TV with lights on in the room, is OLED even necessary? Some people in my family have asked me about OLED, and I've told them it's awesome. But I'm wondering if it's even possible to notice the deeper blacks and contrast when you have 3 lamps on in the room
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Necessary? No. Are blacks noticeably more black than even the best LCD when you have a bunch of lights on in the room? Absolutely, yes. I have last year's EF9500, and I think it looks best with the lights on. Hides a lot of the current OLED imperfections.
 
Anyone heard of any smaller than 55" OLED TVs coming anytime soon? That's the reason we haven't replaced our Panasonic plasma yet in the living room, it's a 42" and due to our smallish room and short viewing distance, about 48" or so is the very largest I'd be comfortable with.
 
So the 55E,C,G have about 48ms input lag with PC label in game mode to get 4:4:4 chroma, or 34ms in just game mode.

How acceptable would this be for a serious gamer?

Currently I am using a Philips 40" which has 24ms lag, and I do not notice it at all.
 
RPGWiZaRD said:
Anyone heard of any smaller than 55" OLED TVs coming anytime soon? That's the reason we haven't replaced our Panasonic plasma yet in the living room, it's a 42" and due to our smallish room and short viewing distance, about 48" or so is the very largest I'd be comfortable with.
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No idea when, but we know LG is working on smaller panels. Apparently they had monitor demos behind closed doors at CES this year. Haven't read anything past that. Clearly having issues on the mid-sized stuff, seeing how that 30" Dell OLED got delayed to Q4. See more in 2017 hopefully.
 
shadow2761 said:
So the 55E,C,G have about 48ms input lag with PC label in game mode to get 4:4:4 chroma, or 34ms in just game mode.

How acceptable would this be for a serious gamer?

Currently I am using a Philips 40" which has 24ms lag, and I do not notice it at all.
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What one feels is too much input lag is different for each person.

For me, anything over 30ms is too much for me. I had a Samsung monitor that showed 9.2ms on the middle bar, and comparing that to a Samsung 49ks8000 tv that showed 20ms on the middle bar, I couldn't feel any difference!

Although the difference in lag from my Oled 55ec9300 that shows 29ms-45ms for the middle bar is way too high for me and I can feel it big time versus the Samsung ks8000.

I still contend that if your playing console gaming, I would go with the ks8000 or ks9000 series tv's. I would only recommend the 2016 oled's if you have a gaming pc and can turn off vsync which gains back alot, probably in some cases 3-5 frames!!
 
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Anyone around have a picture of one of the 55"s on there desk?

Thinking about replacing my 48" Samsung JS9000 as these 55" OLED's can be found on ebay new for $2500 shipped. Just thinking 55" might be too big as 48" is about the max size I can do at 28" away....
 
I just got 65c6p 2 weeks ago. In terms of picture quality, my eyes never seen anything remotely comparable. Too breath taking.

I have not used as PC but as others have mentioned on avsforums, there is some image retention. I was watching NBA draft on ESPN and that little draft logo on the bottom corner was there the next day on a test image (10% gray). This is not noticeable on regular usage though. It did go away though after watching tv for 2-3 hours and retesting using the image. However, I do still plan on using it for PC so I can play games, just not regular desktop usage.
 
enyownz said:
I just got 65c6p 2 weeks ago. In terms of picture quality, my eyes never seen anything remotely comparable. Too breath taking.

I have not used as PC but as others have mentioned on avsforums, there is some image retention. I was watching NBA draft on ESPN and that little draft logo on the bottom corner was there the next day on a test image (10% gray). This is not noticeable on regular usage though. It did go away though after watching tv for 2-3 hours and retesting using the image. However, I do still plan on using it for PC so I can play games, just not regular desktop usage.
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You're not worried if the in-game HUD/GUI causes a retention ?
 
anyone that wants to save a little cash FRYS is selling the 2015 model for $1400 this weekend :eek:

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Skylinestar said:
You're not worried if the in-game HUD/GUI causes a retention ?
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Not really. I don't plan on using the desktop too much and I don't plan on gaming for 5+ hours at a time. I tested the 10% gray pattern image today and I don't see any image retention anymore. Read an article that best thing to do is just to use it normally. Of course if you leave it on your desktop for 10+ hours, the IR might be worse than I saw but it has a screen saver so I doubt that would occur. I'm going to just use it normally like I used my previous TV, game on it for 3-4 hours a day on weekends.
 
I haven't had any issues with image retention on my EC9300. Owned it for ~15 months now, and never bother to disable the HUDs in games.

I'm still iffy on using one as a desktop monitor and putting it through 5-8 hours a day usage though. But apparently, some people have and haven't had issues either.
 
Still a bit too pricy for my liking, and I think its worth waiting to let the tech mature a bit for gaming. Input lag and image retention are both big gaming no-nos.

The contrast and IQ are amazing, though. Perfect for movies.
 
x3sphere said:
I haven't had any issues with image retention on my EC9300. Owned it for ~15 months now, and never bother to disable the HUDs in games.

I'm still iffy on using one as a desktop monitor and putting it through 5-8 hours a day usage though. But apparently, some people have and haven't had issues either.
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That's good to know. Did you test a 10% gray pattern? An unlikely scenario in real world but always good to check.
 
enyownz said:
That's good to know. Did you test a 10% gray pattern? An unlikely scenario in real world but always good to check.
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Just checked and looks fine even on a 10% grey pattern. I do game with the OLED light somewhat low (around 40-50), so not sure if that makes the panel less susceptible to IR.

On another note I caved and ended up ordering the 55" C6 the other day... :) Should get it Wednesday. Decided to sell my EC9300 so it will be replacing that. I'll post some impressions when I get it.
 
x3sphere said:
Just checked and looks fine even on a 10% grey pattern. I do game with the OLED light somewhat low (around 40-50), so not sure if that makes the panel less susceptible to IR.

On another note I caved and ended up ordering the 55" C6 the other day... :) Should get it Wednesday. Decided to sell my EC9300 so it will be replacing that. I'll post some impressions when I get it.
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Awesome! You won't disappointed. I tried out Marco Polo (dolby vision) on Netflix and the picture looks absolutely stunning. Probably the best I have ever seen something look on a digital display.

I also test my IR, and looks to be back to normal. Reading more on AVSforum, a lot of members are saying the panel just need a break in period. I estimate mine has about 30 hours so definitely too early to tell anyway.
 
Will be recieving the 55E6 today. Can't wait. Where to get good custom picture settings?
 
Is it possible to turn UHD colour 'on' with game mod/PC input?

I get no signal when I try to use my PC with UHD colour mode enabled, I have to disable it to get signal back.
 
x3sphere said:
My C6 OLED has arrived. Gaming on this thing is pure bliss, looks incredible running at native 4K (sitting about 4 ft away). Haven't had any issues with the input lag, feels comparable to my old EC9300 running in Game mode.

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Fantastic! Do you notice any screen door effect that close?
 
Martha Stewart said:
Fantastic! Do you notice any screen door effect that close?
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No SDE whatsoever :)

shadow2761 said:
Is it possible to turn UHD colour 'on' with game mod/PC input?

I get no signal when I try to use my PC with UHD colour mode enabled, I have to disable it to get signal back.
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Works for me, you might need a newer HDMI cable? Not all are rated for 18Gbps. I'm using these: Amazon.com: AmazonBasics High-Speed HDMI Cable - 15 Feet (Latest Standard): Home Audio & Theater

Did a test for 4:4:4 chroma and it looked fine http://i.picpar.com/PGUb.png

EDIT: It seems like sometimes though, I also fail to get a signal. It's only when turning on the TV for the first time - if I turn it off then turn it back on everything works fine.

EDIT #2: I think I've fixed the random dropouts, went to the Nvidia CP -> Set up Digital Audio and turned off audio pass through on HDMI. No signal loss since then. A few people on overclock.net had the same problem and that also fixed it for them.
 
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We need one of these with FreeSync or G-Sync big time.

Also, what's up with TVs and shit input lag? Is it really that hard to make a display that isn't a piece of shit? I hate this industry.
 
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Also, what's up with TVs and shit input lag? Is it really that hard to make a display that isn't a piece of shit? I hate this industry.
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The number of people who know/care about input lag is very, very small. Hell, it's small segment just of video game players in general, not to mention the overall TV market.
 
bigbluefe said:
We need one of these with FreeSync or G-Sync big time.

Also, what's up with TVs and shit input lag? Is it really that hard to make a display that isn't a piece of shit? I hate this industry.
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I think the input lag on OLEDs has to do with burn in prevention stuff they're doing.
 
x3sphere said:
My C6 OLED has arrived. Gaming on this thing is pure bliss, looks incredible running at native 4K (sitting about 4 ft away). Haven't had any issues with the input lag, feels comparable to my old EC9300 running in Game mode.

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I have the ec9300 and I know you do or did, how overall does PC games feel input lag wise on the c6 versus the ec9300?
 
Wow i picked up a 55b6 yesterday and wow this thing is an amzzing upgrade over my old plasma gaming is amzzing and i did not notice any lag at all and the pq is worth it and moives look stellar:)
 
tunatime said:
Wow i picked up a 55b6 yesterday and wow this thing is an amzzing upgrade over my old plasma gaming is amzzing and i did not notice any lag at all and the pq is worth it and moives look stellar:)
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B6 looks amazing :) You using your pc on it? Vsync on or off?
 
coolhandm3 said:
I have the ec9300 and I know you do or did, how overall does PC games feel input lag wise on the c6 versus the ec9300?
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Honestly even in Game+PC mode it feels about the same as the EC9300 to me. Played some DOOM on this last night and it was fine.

I can't explain it, because the input lag readings were higher in PC mode. Maybe the input lag in native 4K is less? Or I am not as sensitive as I thought... but I did have problems with the lag on a older 4K Samsung (HU8550) that ran close to 50ms prior to firmware updates lowering it.
 
coolhandm3 said:
B6 looks amazing :) You using your pc on it? Vsync on or off?
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Yes pc at at 4k. Vsync off only played with it for about 2 hours last night. I dont know about the onboard sound through something sounds off about it and not supper clear
 
tunatime said:
Yes pc at at 4k. Vsync off only played with it for about 2 hours last night. I dont know about the onboard sound through something sounds off about it and not supper clear
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Yea, with vsync off these displays shoul dbe fine for gaming, but with vsync on I find them too high for input lag. Trying ps4 on them wasn't enjoyable because of the lag so its nice to know that our pc can help with remocing some lag with vsync off :)


x3sphere said:
Honestly even in Game+PC mode it feels about the same as the EC9300 to me. Played some DOOM on this last night and it was fine.

I can't explain it, because the input lag readings were higher in PC mode. Maybe the input lag in native 4K is less? Or I am not as sensitive as I thought... but I did have problems with the lag on a older 4K Samsung (HU8550) that ran close to 50ms prior to firmware updates lowering it.
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Interesting, its possible native 4k in pc mode has less lag. We won't know until either Leo Bodnar makes available their 4k input lag tester which I talked to them a couple of days ago and it has gone into beta phase.

Or Nitemare3219 does his high speed camera test for this.

Have you tried 1080p in pc and outside pc made with game mode to see if there is any difference in lag?
 
How do you test the input lag? I played a few hours of fallout 4 and it felt the same as my old g10 plasma but looked 10x as good also how do you get into pc mode?
 
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