New Samsung 4k for everyone.

@greyx:

I'm also currently evaluating in the Samsung model UE40JU6550. Just wanted to ask you, if you were happy with this screen in total, besides the panel size?
 
Yes, i was happy with Samsung UE40JU6550.
And i'm 95 % sure i'll buy the same model, but 48 "
 
One quick additonal question, were you also happy with the desktop elements and font displaying? I'm asking, because once I had the Philips BDM4065 and when beeing away 80cm from screen, you could still see the pixel grod of the VA panel. I know, Samsung has IPS, so I'm wondering, if it can deal better with desktop and fonts than the Philips VA panel?!
 
Oh, okay, that's new to me....but I think this it good, because this most likely will bring better black to the screen, right?
 
I owned the Philips BDM4065 as well, but imo there is a huge difference between Samsung and the Philips.
 
Thanks, much appreciated, that helps me a lot! I will go for the Samsung UE40JU6550 or UE40JU6560.
Just trying to find the difference between those two.
 
Ah, I found the difference. Technically they are totally the same, but the color of the stand is different.
UE40JU6550 is black
UE40JU6560 is silver
 
For the folks that got the free Samsung S6 phone - did you receive an email stating that it was shipping? Also, what mailing carrier was it sent by? I ask because I am currently out of town and will not be back home until this weekend. UPS sometime drops crap off at my door when they shouldn't so if they are the ones delivering it, I might be out of a phone.
 
Arioch said:
For the folks that got the free Samsung S6 phone - did you receive an email stating that it was shipping? Also, what mailing carrier was it sent by? I ask because I am currently out of town and will not be back home until this weekend. UPS sometime drops crap off at my door when they shouldn't so if they are the ones delivering it, I might be out of a phone.
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No notice was given that it was shipping. It was signature required from Hazmat Marketing out of California.
 
So do you guys honestly think the non-SUHD models will be able to display HDR with just a firmware update or this is just some PR BS? It doesn't seem legit.
 
Arioch said:
For the folks that got the free Samsung S6 phone - did you receive an email stating that it was shipping? Also, what mailing carrier was it sent by? I ask because I am currently out of town and will not be back home until this weekend. UPS sometime drops crap off at my door when they shouldn't so if they are the ones delivering it, I might be out of a phone.
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Nope, just showed up randomly
 
Wag said:
So do you guys honestly think the non-SUHD models will be able to display HDR with just a firmware update or this is just some PR BS? It doesn't seem legit.
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Why not? Even my very old 1280x1024 monitor can display HDR pics.
 
aadik said:
Why not? Even my very old 1280x1024 monitor can display HDR pics.
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That was a HDR within 8 bits and a standard backlight.

2 other types of HDR exist.
Increased backlight power for HDR still using 8 bits per colour.
increased backlight power for HDR with higher bit range.

The last 2 require the display to support the methods and as the display is reputed to support HDR via a firmware update, it will likely be to support one of these.
 
Nenu said:
That was a HDR within 8 bits and a standard backlight.

2 other types of HDR exist.
Increased backlight power for HDR still using 8 bits per colour.
increased backlight power for HDR with higher bit range.

The last 2 require the display to support the methods and as the display is reputed to support HDR via a firmware update, it will likely be to support one of these.
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The PR says the HDR firmware update is available now but I can't seem to find it anywhere. I guess it's not out yet.
 
My JS9000 looks great as is. I don't give a rats ass about HDR.

Hoping it won't add any lag. If it does, I won't be updating.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041856821 said:
My JS9000 looks great as is. I don't give a rats ass about HDR.

Hoping it won't add any lag. If it does, I won't be updating.
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Yea, I have a feeling lag could go up with this update. I'll pass lol...
 
So HDR support means that if you watch HDR format pics then screen automatically increase backlight and makes colors more vivid?
 
aadik said:
So HDR support means that if you watch HDR format pics then screen automatically increase backlight and makes colors more vivid?
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Don't we already have that with the dynamic backlighting support that - when enabled - dims dark areas of the screen to make them more black?
 
Did i understand correctly if I say JU7500 only have hdmi2.0 only with external box and not just back on tv connector? JU6700 dont use that external box?
 
aadik said:
Did i understand correctly if I say JU7500 only have hdmi2.0 only with external box and not just back on tv connector? JU6700 dont use that external box?
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I forget between which models the cutoff lies, but on all the higher end models there are NO INPUTS AT ALL on the TV itself. All inputs are through the smart connect box.

The only plugs on the back of the screen are the power plug and thr proprietary Samsung plug that connects the smart connect box.

The smart connect box is also where the CPU's RAM, etc, for the smartTV functions reside.

Without the smart connect box, the entire TV is a big, expensive paper weight. It can't do anything without it.
 
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Thats sucks, why did they did that? I prefer less external items and more integrated in TV. Oh well lets hope they dont do that same mistake with 2016 model year.
 
aadik said:
Thats sucks, why did they did that? I prefer less external items and more integrated in TV. Oh well lets hope they dont do that same mistake with 2016 model year.
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The "sell" is that the OneConnect box provides an upgrade route as new features are introduced. This is my first time using a TV with such a device, but the theory is that you can swap your OneConnect box out in the future and benefit from additional processing power, features, ports, etc. For example, the 2016 OneConnect boxes could have DisplayPort inputs and by swapping that one with your current box, you'd now have DP connectivity. Not that I think that'll happen, but it's just an example.

I liked the inputs being on the back of the 6700 because the OneConnect is technically a separate potential failure point and it's just something else to take up room on your desk. But at least if it does malfunction, you can easily replace it vs. some component inside of the TV. Same reason why I don't mind external power supplies for some electronics.
 
aadik said:
Thats sucks, why did they did that? I prefer less external items and more integrated in TV. Oh well lets hope they dont do that same mistake with 2016 model year.
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If I ad to guess its a combination of:
  • Fitting everything they need to fit (CPU, RAM, Ethernet, Inputs, USB, etc.) while still giving the panel a nice slim look. (the proprietary cable for the box is long enough that the box can easily be hiddne out of sight)
  • Heat dissipation.
  • (Possibly) Upgradeability. If you are paying for a $3000 TV, you don't want the smart TV aspect of it to be obsolete as soon as the next great thing comes along. This way if something comes along they can't update in firmware, they can always sell you another box for a couple of hundred bucks

The exciting part here (to me) is that this means the screen itself is really just a dumb panel with a backlight. All th e logic is in the box.

We know that DisplayPort has the ability to communicate directly with panels, without that intermediate logic.

How awesome would it be if - either officially through Samsung, or through an aftermarket hack - we were able to hook up directly to the panel with DP and get full access to the 120hz panel, with minimal lag?

I know chances are slim, but I can hope, right?
 
Valid points. DP hack would be great. Seems like there isn't even working DP to hdmi 2.0 60hz 4:4:4 converter. Would that converter increase input lag? AMD cards are just so much cheaper you can buy used HD7990 for about 200€ and its more powerful than more expensive 970 and same power like 980.
 
A 7990 may be faster than a 970, but it is a dual GPU card. I wouldn't touch it with a 39 and a half foot pole.

And yes, any DP to HDMI2 adapter would have to be active, meaning there is image processing involved. Whenever there is image processing, there is input lag.

Not sure how much. Could be insignificant, or could be completely crippling, but it is probably somewhere in between.
 
Ok, so guys i need some help. I ordered a 48" JS9000 on Amazon (no local store has one in my area), and it kept turning on/off by itself, it also had a hairline scratch on the bezel (i overlooked that), and some weird grey uniformity issue on the right side thus making colors dark on that side. Next i ordered a replacement for this stupid issue, and now the second unit has a dead pixel... Grey uniformity was better on this second unit, but now it's brighter on the right side, thus making whites a bit yellow. I'm so mad right now and not even sure if i want a third unit especially since they are out of stock on Amazon until October 14th, not to mention the price spiked up by $300. I can get a 48" JU6700 locally. Should i do that, or is this a huge downgrade? I mainly like to watch movies and play games on the PC. I used it in PC mode and felt fine with the input lag.
 
Deadfreak said:
Ok, so guys i need some help. I ordered a 48" JS9000 on Amazon (no local store has one in my area), and it kept turning on/off by itself, it also had a hairline scratch on the bezel (i overlooked that), and some weird grey uniformity issue on the right side thus making colors dark on that side. Next i ordered a replacement for this stupid issue, and now the second unit has a dead pixel... Grey uniformity was better on this second unit, but now it's brighter on the right side, thus making whites a bit yellow. I'm so mad right now and not even sure if i want a third unit especially since they are out of stock on Amazon until October 14th, not to mention the price spiked up by $300. I can get a 48" JU6700 locally. Should i do that, or is this a huge downgrade? I mainly like to watch movies and play games on the PC. I used it in PC mode and felt fine with the input lag.
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Perfection on 4k monitors is kind of luck of the draw.

Pixel defects are covered by ISO 13406-2.

Just about all manufacturers of TV's monitors or panels in general claim their panels are "Class II" panels, which means they are allowed as many as 1 hot pixel, 1 dead pixel and 5 stuck pixels PER MILLION PIXELS.

A 4k screen has about 8.3 million pixels. Which means a screen with 8 hot pixels, 8 dead pixels and 41 stuck pixels would still be considered acceptable.

Even if you could buy a Class 1 panel, which you really cant, that would still allow 8 hot pixels, 8 dead pixels and 16 stuck pixels.

I didn't realize this at first myself, and I replaced a couple of screens until I finally settled on one that only had one pixel stuck slightly dark blue. It's only noticeable on solid black backgorunds, IF you are looking for it.

This has always been the case, and manufacturers have usually done much better than the ISO standard, but as resolutions (and thus pixel counts) go up it's going to be more and more noticeable. It will get better in time, as the process for each panel matures, but unless you want to buy $50k screens, there will never be a guarantee of pixel perfect screens.

It's not a Samsung issue, it's a all flat panels issue.

Some of us on here have lucked out and gotten perfect screens, but this should not be considered the norm.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041856871 said:
Don't we already have that with the dynamic backlighting support that - when enabled - dims dark areas of the screen to make them more black?
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Not exactly. I thought HDR was supposed to also mean an expanded color range. It's included in the HDMI 2.0a spec. I don't know how adding HDMI 2.0a support to the non-SUHD displays will support it but I imagine it will be some sort of hack or workaround.
 
I intend to bay Euro version of 40 inch Samsung JU6500 TV (Samsung UE40JU6400), to use it exclusively as computer monitor, for regular desktop use (Surfing, Photoshop, Video Editing ...)? Also planing on baying ASUS GeForce GTX 960 STRIX-GTX960-DC2OC, but i read thet people have problems with HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz on ASUS GTX960 graphic cards.

Is there any user that runs Samsung JU6500, and ASUS GTX960 without any problems in HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz 4:4:4 chroma?

Or if you know any particular brand, and model from GTX960 series that work perfectly with this televison in HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz 4:4:4 ?

Sorry if I am not eloquent enough, I'm not native English speaker.
 
No019 said:
I intend to bay Euro version of 40 inch Samsung JU6500 TV (Samsung UE40JU6400), to use it exclusively as computer monitor, for regular desktop use (Surfing, Photoshop, Video Editing ...)? Also planing on baying ASUS GeForce GTX 960 STRIX-GTX960-DC2OC, but i read thet people have problems with HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz on ASUS GTX960 graphic cards.

Is there any user that runs Samsung JU6500, and ASUS GTX960 without any problems in HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz 4:4:4 chroma?

Or if you know any particular brand, and model from GTX960 series that work perfectly with this televison in HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz 4:4:4 ?

Sorry if I am not eloquent enough, I'm not native English speaker.
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I don't know if this helps, but my JU6500 runs fine with my GTX970 at 4:4:4 60hz. I didn't know GTX 960s had issues with that.
 
No019 said:
I intend to bay Euro version of 40 inch Samsung JU6500 TV (Samsung UE40JU6400), to use it exclusively as computer monitor, for regular desktop use (Surfing, Photoshop, Video Editing ...)? Also planing on baying ASUS GeForce GTX 960 STRIX-GTX960-DC2OC, but i read thet people have problems with HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz on ASUS GTX960 graphic cards.

Is there any user that runs Samsung JU6500, and ASUS GTX960 without any problems in HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz 4:4:4 chroma?

Or if you know any particular brand, and model from GTX960 series that work perfectly with this televison in HDMI 2.0 3840x2160 60hz 4:4:4 ?

Sorry if I am not eloquent enough, I'm not native English speaker.
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I'm using a MSI Gaming GTX 960 without issue.
 
Is anyone familiar with this model: UN40JU650DFXZA, on sale at Costco at the moment, however I'm having trouble finding what difference between DFXZA and the FXZA models.
 
Ski said:
Is anyone familiar with this model: UN40JU650DFXZA, on sale at Costco at the moment, however I'm having trouble finding what difference between DFXZA and the FXZA models.
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The 650D is just a renamed JU6500. Costco / Best Buy / Fry's tend to have different named panels to change price points.

As far as I want, is to do 4:4:4@60hz for desktop (and gaming when video cards get better) and have 24p support for video content from blu-ray / HD files:
JU6500 [flat] // JU6700 [curved] = 4:4:4@60hz, No 24p support (judder)
JS7000 [flat] = 4:4:4@60hz, No 24p support (judder), IPS panel
JU7100 [flat] // JU7500 [curved] = 4:4:4@60hz, 24p support (no judder)
JS8500 [flat] // JS9000 [curved] = 4:4:4@60hz, 24p support (no judder)

Anything below JU6500 does not support 4:4:4@60hz.
 
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Dadius said:
I don't know if this helps, but my JU6500 runs fine with my GTX970 at 4:4:4 60hz. I didn't know GTX 960s had issues with that.
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Thanks,

Maybe they are just isolated incidents with Asus Strix GeForce GTX 960, but i sow it more then once. As far as GTX970 it will be pretty much overkill for my needs, and in my country pretty expensive one. Asus Strix GeForce GTX 970 costs 430 €, approximately 475$. On US amazon the exact same model sells for 340$.

Also GTX970 doesn't fully support h.265 encoding, and decoding.
 
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