Microsoft Striping Features From Windows 8

naticus said:
DVD's? In 2012? Media Center is garbage and always has been, everyone know this. Their are much better alternatives (Splash Player,VLC,Pot Player,etc.,), so this makes a lot of sense and MS knows this.

DVD's are really a thing of the past. Considering you can stream or download 720p/1080p content via the internetz, this seems a logical step for MS. Is DVD playback even 480p? I havent watched a DVD or DVDrip since about 2004.
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yeah because no one that uses a HT PC would ever play DVD content....
 
naticus said:
DVD's? In 2012? Media Center is garbage and always has been, everyone know this. Their are much better alternatives (Splash Player,VLC,Pot Player,etc.,), so this makes a lot of sense and MS knows this.

DVD's are really a thing of the past. Considering you can stream or download 720p/1080p content via the internetz, this seems a logical step for MS. Is DVD playback even 480p? I havent watched a DVD or DVDrip since about 2004.
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Media center is far from garbage it is probably the best program at what it does. But let us just say for sure it is in the top picks even if you do not think it is the best. Unless there is something I am unaware of VLC is not a media center type program at all but just a media player.
 
Tawnos said:
Do you like just making up baseless accusations, or can you actually back this up?
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Have you even used it? :confused:

Many of the "applications" such as games. music, movies whatever have huge ads in your face at every opputinity selling you xbox games and shitty music. The older windows just included, you know a player to play the music from, not some annoying advert filled junk to sell you music. Or a "games" thing where you have to have a xbox live account and be assulted by "buy CoD on xbox!!!111" (which is the first thing you see). Makes it feel like shareware.

The older windows contained exactly no ads for anything, which is typical of paid for software. Not exactly sure why microsoft decided this was suddenly to stuff it with crap.

As for back up...well lets see:

Pile of stupid ads thrown at you to sell crap to you while you are trying to use an application (I hope this will reduce the cost of windows 8 significatly, it should do, for the consumer).
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I'll get some new games...wait i'm on a PC... Good thing theres some low end indie games for me.
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Why is there ads for music I don't own before my own? :confused:

How should a paid for application be done? Probably like this.
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When most applications are there to sell you crap and give you other companies adverts, it is called adware. Which is annoying and should be removed.
 
xxEIEIOxx said:
I read about this earlier today. That site had speculated that Windows 8 will be cheaper than Windows 7 was. I doubt it. Microsoft seems to be getting pretty bold about Windows 8. I think it's going to backfire on them.
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Vista "backfired" and look at them now. Still not doing bad for themselves.
 
DeathPrincess said:
Have you even used it? :confused:

Many of the "applications" such as games. music, movies whatever have huge ads in your face at every opputinity selling you xbox games and shitty music. The older windows just included, you know a player to play the music from, not some annoying advert filled junk to sell you music. Or a "games" thing where you have to have a xbox live account and be assulted by "buy CoD on xbox!!!111" (which is the first thing you see). Makes it feel like shareware.

The older windows contained exactly no ads for anything, which is typical of paid for software. Not exactly sure why microsoft decided this was suddenly to stuff it with crap.

As for back up...well lets see:

Pile of stupid ads thrown at you to sell crap to you while you are trying to use an application (I hope this will reduce the cost of windows 8 significatly, it should do, for the consumer).
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I'll get some new games...wait i'm on a PC... Good thing theres some low end indie games for me.
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Why is there ads for music I don't own before my own? :confused:

How should a paid for application be done? Probably like this.
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When most applications are there to sell you crap and give you other companies adverts, it is called adware. Which is annoying and should be removed.
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Makes it feel more like an Xbox from the looks of it. That's definitely annoying though, one less potential Windows 8 user here.
 
DeathPrincess said:
Have you even used it? :confused:
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A lot more than you, I'd wager ;)

Many of the "applications" such as games. music, movies whatever have huge ads in your face at every opputinity selling you xbox games and shitty music. The older windows just included, you know a player to play the music from, not some annoying advert filled junk to sell you music. Or a "games" thing where you have to have a xbox live account and be assulted by "buy CoD on xbox!!!111" (which is the first thing you see). Makes it feel like shareware.

The older windows contained exactly no ads for anything, which is typical of paid for software. Not exactly sure why microsoft decided this was suddenly to stuff it with crap.
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Er, that's not adware, most of what you see there is what you might call "content", anywhere else. For example, do you call Amazon's homepage "adware" because it has a lot of products listed? What about Steam, total adware, or simply listing content? And yeah, some apps have ads, but they're not "adware", at least not in any conventional sense of the word, which historically has meant "apps that pop up ads while you're not using them" rather than "apps with advertisements in them"

When most applications are there to sell you crap and give you other companies adverts, it is called adware. Which is annoying and should be removed.
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No, when a program hijacks your computer to serve ads, it's called adware. When it has ads, the application is "ad-supported" or hell, expected (digital download services, for example).
 
Then you should be well aware of it. :p

Amazon and steam are purposefully made to sell you content. Windows isn't a digital download platform, It's an OS. I do not want to be subject to shitty adverts while trying to use a program I would be paying for.

Take word. Theres a free version where you get ads. But a paid for version where you don't. Steam and amazon are free to use, unless windows 8 is going to be free, then this is a legitimate complaint. Free applications can do so because they didn't make their money at the checkout.

That is not what adware is.

ad·ware [ad-wair] noun, Computers .

1.
software that displays advertisements and is integrated into another program offered at no charge or at low cost.

2.
a type of spyware that gathers information about an Internet user's browsing habits and displays targeted or contextual advertisements.
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Definition 1. Also "ad supported" and digital download services generally don't cost $100+. It's annoying.
 
naticus said:
Media Center is garbage and always has been, everyone know this.
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You've confused Media Center with Media Player. Media Center is a popular HTPC interface included in XP Media Center Edition and Vista/7 Home Premium. Please pay more attention next time before you post. Besides that, what's wrong with Media Player? It can rip to Mp3, WMA/wma lossless, and any other formats, it'll play back any audio or video file using whatever codecs you have installed, it's lightweight, it has music visualizations... what's the problem?

Anyway, I use Media Center all the time for watching/recording TV. It's much better than the crap software Hauppauge provides with their tuners, it detects my tuners without any fiddling, and it comes with the OS.

What a bunch of money-grubbing assholes. You can't even install Media Center useless you're using Windows 8 pro.
 
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Wow, are people really defending those ads now? Really? Blind fanboyism just took off to a whole new level.
 
Good. Then he can tell them directly that they better give away Windows 8 for free if they insist on bombarding us with these annoying ads.

It's not like they need the money, ugh, it's Microsoft, it doesn't have to make sense.
 
WHAT ads? There may be ads in the store, which is designed to sell you content (and I don't particularly remember seeing ads there, so I'm not even sure about that). There are no ads anywhere in OS elements.
 
DeathPrincess said:
Then you should be well aware of it. :p

Amazon and steam are purposefully made to sell you content. Windows isn't a digital download platform, It's an OS. I do not want to be subject to shitty adverts while trying to use a program I would be paying for.
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The store is purposefully made to sell you content. More than that, the Video and Games apps, where you are linking to, are directly akin to platforms like Steam, Amazon, Hulu, etc. The only reason they are included in the consumer preview builds is to give people systems that have a set of examples pre loaded. A bare OS install contains none of those programs, and thus no ads, hence my confusion (and why I'm aware the OS is not adware, but you seem unable to distinguish the OS from applications you installed).

Here's a question: on your phone, whatever platform you use, if you go into the store and install and application, and it's free, does it have ads? I'm going to make the obvious guess that "yes, of course it does." However, would you call your phones operating system adware, or is that simply the program you installed? Same thing applies here.

Take word. Theres a free version where you get ads. But a paid for version where you don't. Steam and amazon are free to use, unless windows 8 is going to be free, then this is a legitimate complaint. Free applications can do so because they didn't make their money at the checkout.
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Again, you're confusing the OS to the applications which came preinstalled in the preview build. If you install just the OS, there's no ads nor advertising-supported software to be found. It's only after you add applications from the store that you would see such things. It's silly to say the OS should be free because apps available from the store are ad-supported.

Of course, you're looking for silly things to complain about.
 
Raudulfr said:
Good. Then he can tell them directly that they better give away Windows 8 for free if they insist on bombarding us with these annoying ads.

It's not like they need the money, ugh, it's Microsoft, it doesn't have to make sense.
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The basis of your annoyance is misunderstanding. First, misunderstanding the OS versus the applications. Second, misunderstanding the purpose of a business. If a business, such as Microsoft, doesn't make money, how do you expect it to pay its employees, vendors, contractors, building maintenance, building construction, and all other entities that use those paychecks to live?
 
All I see are the ads in the store. Like most I thought people was taking about ads popping up at will in the OS, like on the desktop. Android, Apple store both have ads in there store so why is it that you got some complaining here that it is in MS store. Can you say whiny hypocrite users here at the [H].

Every time you turn around the hypocrites come out and criticizes MS for doing the same as the other companies. The arm chair CEO's criticizes every MS does as not right and they don't like it. I'm glad MS doesn't listen to some of you users here as they would be bankrupt in no time.

Haven't seen such a collection of whiners and crybabies in my life.
 
marcusj3000 said:
All I see are the ads in the store. Like most I thought people was taking about ads popping up at will in the OS, like on the desktop. Android, Apple store both have ads in there store so why is it that you got some complaining here that it is in MS store. Can you say whiny hypocrite users here at the [H].
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That's what I thought as well, and why I was really confused. Perhaps it comes from my background doing computer repair, but adware has always had a level of intrusiveness associated with it in my mind. E.g. Gator and its ilk.
 
marcusj3000 said:
All I see are the ads in the store. Like most I thought people was taking about ads popping up at will in the OS, like on the desktop. Android, Apple store both have ads in there store
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Can you point out where you see third-party ads in the iTunes Store, the Mac App Store, or Google Play?

Where's the ad for the Toyota Prius in the Mac App Store? Where does Google advertise for MIB3 in Google Play?
 
wonderfield said:
Can you point out where you see third-party ads in the iTunes Store, the Mac App Store, or Google Play?

Where's the ad for the Toyota Prius in the Mac App Store? Where does Google advertise for MIB3 in Google Play?
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Could you point out where there are Toyota or MIB3 ads or other such things in the Windows Store?

Note that all of the screenshots earlier were from other products that were installed. Some were made by another team at Microsoft, yes, but that's hugely different than Windows being filled with ads or adware. These are applications, not the OS.
 
Speaking of stripped features in Windows. I noticed in 7 they stripped out telnet. What's up with that?
 
pxc said:
Many people still watch DVDs. If you go to a library, you'll often see that's the most active part of the place: people checking out DVDs. :p Redbox and Netflix have large numbers of DVD renters too. (Sometimes it might be worth considering if your usage is "typical", which it is often not.)

Like I mentioned above, most of the Windows 8 licenses sold to consumers will be preinstalled by a hardware OEM. I really doubt many will ship desktops and laptops without DVD playback functionality, particularly when the systems contain an optical drive.
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If you are renting DVDs from Netflix then A: you either have a DVD player that you play it in or B: You are using your computer to play the DVD which is retarded when you could just watch Netflix online on that computer.
 
I have about 50 dvd's that I have ripped to my harddrive. Also, I have about 10 Blurays so far. Even though I do use Netflix streaming, I also like to be able to view dvds/blurays on my computer any time I like.
 
Tawnos said:
Note that all of the screenshots earlier were from other products that were installed.
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They come pre-installed in the Consumer Preview. Will they also be pre-installed in the final release?

If so, Microsoft is bundling ad-supported software with their operating system The accusation here is not that Windows itself has ads, but that Windows has adware. The same accusation cannot be made of Apple or — to my knowledge — Google.

Tawnos said:
These are applications, not the OS.
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This was never in dispute. What thread have you been reading?
 
bigdogchris said:
Well, now that the "Windows Store" is being built into the OS, Microsoft can now start stripping out things that you got included in 7, and charge you for them in 8. They claim it's because they want to offer a simplified edition lineup, but we still have 7 Home Premium and 7 Professional, and 8 and 8 Professional

So, they are removing Media Center & DVD playback, and are going to charge you if you want them.

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What next? I hope 8 fails for so many reasons.
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thanks to the EU ;)
 
wonderfield said:
They come pre-installed in the Consumer Preview. Will they also be pre-installed in the final release?

If so, Microsoft is bundling ad-supported software with their operating system The accusation here is not that Windows itself has ads, but that Windows has adware. The same accusation cannot be made of Apple or — to my knowledge — Google.


This was never in dispute. What thread have you been reading?
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I see ads in google store and ads in apple store as well. So where is the difference I asked? IF it's confined to windows store than it is not in the OS. If you disconnect your internet connection can you still see ads in the windows store? NOOOOOOO you can't even access the store.
So that speaks that adware is not a part of windows. If it is only the windows store app that shows it while browsing for apps then what is the difference from google store or apple store that show ads for ITT tech other online universities, even ads for grocery stores.

Some of you here are retards that makeup crap about windows. You can't even show me that the ads are built into the OS and when presented with evidence to the contrary you still try to say that you think is true. If you don't like windows 8 just say it but don't make up lies and let your fanboyism shine it's bright ignorance if you have no proof.

I'm thinking that is in the OS level flashing crap on the desktop but it's the windows store app. Where have I seen that before uhhhh google play store ad.....or maybe apple iads store. Hell even apple has a developer tool called iAds…..to do what I suppose......uhhhhhhh show ads in an app.

The difference between ad based and ad driven just confuses the masses here I guess. I'm using windows 8 and the only place an add comes up is when I use the app store. If you have apps on your desktop popping up then that is a incompetent user issue.
 
When you go to the Apple Store or Itunes... do you see see ads for music, movies and so on? Why yes, yes you do!

Same here for Windows 8, when you go to the Store area... you get...ads!
 
marcusj3000 said:
I see ads in google store and ads in apple store as well.
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I see first-party ads. In the iTunes Store, Apple advertises iTunes Match. In Play, Google advertises for the Galaxy Nexus. These are not third-party ads: the iTunes Store and Play aren't ad-supported. I asked you to point out the third-party ads in the screen grabs I linked to and you did not comply.

marcusj3000 said:
IF it's confined to windows store than it is not in the OS.
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1) I never said anything about the Windows Store. Tawnos dead, tangentially.
2) I never said the OS had ads. It's been claimed that Windows 8 has adware (ad-supported applications). With respect to the Consumer Preview, this is a factually-accurate claim.

marcusj3000 said:
You can't even show me that the ads are built into the OS and when presented with evidence to the contrary you still try to say that you think is true.
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I never said the OS had ads. I said the OS has adware. See above.

MrGuvernment said:
When you go to the Apple Store or Itunes... do you see see ads for music, movies and so on? Why yes, yes you do! Same here for Windows 8, when you go to the Store area... you get...ads!
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I don't see third-party advertisements in the Windows Store. I see them in the Windows 8 Videos app. I posted links to screen grabs of the iTunes Store, Mac App Store and Google Play earlier, and none show any third-party advertisements.

Remember what we're talking about here: adware. Ad-supported applications. iTunes, the App Store and Play aren't ad-supported. They are not adware.

This is not difficult.
 
wonderfield said:
I see first-party ads. In the iTunes Store, Apple advertises iTunes Match. In Play, Google advertises for the Galaxy Nexus. These are not third-party ads: the iTunes Store and Play aren't ad-supported. I asked you to point out the third-party ads in the screen grabs I linked to and you did not comply.


1) I never said anything about the Windows Store. Tawnos dead, tangentially.
2) I never said the OS had ads. It's been claimed that Windows 8 has adware (ad-supported applications). With respect to the Consumer Preview, this is a factually-accurate claim.


I never said the OS had ads. I said the OS has adware. See above.


I don't see third-party advertisements in the Windows Store. I see them in the Windows 8 Videos app. I posted links to screen grabs of the iTunes Store, Mac App Store and Google Play earlier, and none show any third-party advertisements.

Remember what we're talking about here: adware. Ad-supported applications. iTunes, the App Store and Play aren't ad-supported. They are not adware.

This is not difficult.
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dude you are dense every app store has ads to sell you content or to direct you to a site to buy something.

forget it in not gonna post to your blind stupidity any further just don't buy windows 8 MS will be happy you didn't.
 
/usr/home said:
If you are renting DVDs from Netflix then A: you either have a DVD player that you play it in or B: You are using your computer to play the DVD which is retarded when you could just watch Netflix online on that computer.
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Anyone can clearly see you have no clue what you are talking about.
 
I did, you apparently do not realize that netflix does not allow you to watch many many titles through streaming on any device. Those titles are mostly the new releases and good stuff you want to see. The only option you have is to get those titles on a DVD if you have the service. I and many people do not own DVD players at all. The question I ask is why on earth would anyone own a DVD player? Since almost everyone has a PC, or laptop with a dvd player what would the point be in owning another one? See what I did there made a stupid blanket assumption like yours. Then I will call people who own them retarded.

I have not even touched on the arguement of image quality for which many people prefer DVDs. All streaming services compress the video.
 
I can't believe this thread made me get off my lazy ass to grab my phone off the table to confirm for myself that I hadn't seen ads in google play.
 
/usr/home said:
If you are renting DVDs from Netflix then A: you either have a DVD player that you play it in or B: You are using your computer to play the DVD which is retarded when you could just watch Netflix online on that computer.
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gotta be one of the more asinine comments in this thread.....but it is expected from a person that would make this type of comment.

I watch TONS of DVDs on my computer while working nights simply because we are unable to stream Netflix from work........because it is blocked. Also DVDs are nice to have on flights when I have not had a chance to encode them to MP4 files after buying tem
 
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