AMD Buyout

that basically states amd has the license it does not transfer from amd to another company peorid
 
THOMO said:
People who make money from having money (investors/stockholders/shareholders) are parasitic by nature.

You dilute economic value for everyone else by creating new money from "thin air" and help increase inflation, and all because you wanna make a little money for nothing :(
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This is almost as stupid as "The company I work for pays me a salary. I have no idea where that money came from. So it probably comes out of thin air and that's the definition of inflation." :rolleyes:
 
I think THOMO is thinking of banks, which take money and hold onto it for customers, checking/savings accounts, and either use that money under the assumption that the customer, who is allowing the bank to hold the money, wont ask for it back all at once. the bank then takes the money and makes more money from it through investments (loans and such) which the bank then gets a return from (interest from loans). In a very very very very very simple world (econ 101) this could be thought of as making money from thin air I suppose, but this still makes THOMO's original statement very very wrong.

back on track.
if AMD where to be bought out, I think it would be oracle to purchase them, but i also dont think amd will be bought out any time in the near future....
 
Funkmaster_A said:
This is almost as stupid as "The company I work for pays me a salary. I have no idea where that money came from. So it probably comes out of thin air and that's the definition of inflation." :rolleyes:
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+++1 to this.

If Dell bought AMD what do u guys think would happen to AMD? Would DELL switch from intel chips only? Would we still have a decent competitor to Nvidia in the gpu realm? Perhaps with this ownership they would be able to ramp up R & D to make BD compete with Westermere and Nehalem-EX better.
 
I don't think Dell has the IP or any technical experience in either area to really add to AMD/ATI, certainly not in the short run. AMD would simply have more financial resources to work with. Honestly the biggest change will likely be marketing presence. Since AMD has been moving towards a platform marketing approach, Dell would help in this sense.

Now if IBM bought AMD (as rumored years ago), that would be interesting from a technical point of view. I'm sure Intel will waste no time yanking that x86 license.
 
meh... people make lots of money from stock price changes due to rumors. Yea sure, I am buying AMD, you heard it here first on [H]ardforum;)
 
vraa said:
Rumor has it HardOCP is buying AMD
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all those god forsaken ads and crap inside posts is finally paying off



..id like to see someone buy AMD and make something out of them make them competitive again with cpus and video cards again... they are falling too far behind there was a time they were king... then the budget option and now their high end is intels budget option and is still slower
 
THOMO said:
People who make money from having money (investors/stockholders/shareholders) are parasitic by nature.

You dilute economic value for everyone else by creating new money from "thin air" and help increase inflation, and all because you wanna make a little money for nothing :(
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Most regular people who own shares do so to save for their retirement.

Besides, if there were no investors, there would also be no companies, no jobs and no products.

Your ideology makes no sense, unless you want to live in the stone age.

There have been some investment abuses by large banks, but this does not mean that all investment is bad. It is necessary for saving, and it is also necessary for the economy.
 
limitedaccess said:
I don't think Dell has the IP or any technical experience in either area to really add to AMD/ATI, certainly not in the short run. AMD would simply have more financial resources to work with. Honestly the biggest change will likely be marketing presence. Since AMD has been moving towards a platform marketing approach, Dell would help in this sense.
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I think it would help AMD a lot as they would get more volume sales of mid to low end consumer CPU's for use in mass produced Dell machines.

Spreading R&D costs over a larger volume would go a long way to help AMD and its financials. and potentially free up more resources to be used for R&D and product development, helping them catch up with Intel.

That being said, Dell is known for its management issues, and since they have little experience managing high tech innovations it could result in culture clash and a management structure that doesnt understand AMD's business well enough.
 
The Gonz said:
http://download.intel.com/pressroom/legal/AMD_settlement_agreement.pdf

Here it is. three quarters of the way down the agreement it talks about what is allowed if there is a "Change of Control" at AMD by being bought out or otherwise taken control of by another entity.

Section 6.3

Take a look. Not sure what it means since I am no lawyer. But there it is in black and white.
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Essentially what it says is that if AMD is bought out or merges with another company, (regardless of if AMD is the resulting dominant party of the merger) the agreement ceases to exist for all future AMD processor designs.

Existing designs can continue to be manufactured.

I'm pretty sure they'd just renegotiate something else oin the case of a merger for a few reasons:

1.) No judge would likely enforce Intels canceling of the agreement due to its impact on market competition

2.) They are pretty mcuh codependent, I believe. If Intel withholds its side of the bargain, they lose x86-64 which is in every single processor they currently make.

I don't think it's fair to call this an x86 cross licensing agreement, because the x86 instruction patents expired years ago. We are really talking licensing of newer features like SSE 1 - 5 (or whatever the latest one is now).
 
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i had no idea the cross licensing agreement was such an ocotopus of a problem that it is
 
Last I heard, AMD could produce less than 10% of the amount of chips that Intel can produce (it hasn't really mattered much since c2d came out leaving AMD in the dust).

I'm pretty sure Dell needs more AMD64 chips than AMD can produce. The Intel-Dell deals have always been a big part of Dell's success (I think they opened up after the lawsuits got too hot), and I doubt that even if a regulator defanged the instruction set agreement (as if intel could afford to stop selling AMD64 compatible chips) they would be getting enough chips to ship all those Dells.

I don't even think Dell would start this rumor before a round of price negotiation with intel. It is just too unbelievable.
 
Oh man, I hope AMD sticks around as credible competition. Who else will keep Intel prices check?

I bet Intel would prefer feeding them money to keep them alive rather than deal with the government on antitrust.
 
DisrupTer911 said:
How do you think it works then?
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It works by people buying stock for more than the previous person paid...? Very basic concept. Money is not magically created when a stock goes from $10 to $15. Someone spends $15 on the "item" someone else spent $10 on. That gives the first guy the $5 difference as profit, and the second guy the risk that what he just spent $15 may go right back to $10 (or go up to $20 and he can make a $5 profit, and so on). See how that works, +$5 and then the possibility of -$5.

It's not magic, it's math.
 
I don't know about you guys, but i'm debating whether I should sell my AMD stock or not. It has soared recently due to rumors, and maybe I should sell before the inevitable crash when people realize that these rumors were just rumors.
 
I'd sell. The chances of a buyout happening seem minimal, to say the least.
 
I'll keep my stock since I think Fusion and Bulldozer will help AMD get back market share. I have less than 1000 shares though, so if you're more invested you may want to sell and take profits to put back in later. The question is, how long until the price drops due to the rumors not panning out? I think there is a lot of room to grow because AMD set the buyout price sooooo high, yet people still seem to buy into it, so we may see +40% and a steep crash at the end, who knows....
 
Sold my stock today, it went up 12% due to the rumors, I'll buy back in once it stops tumbling because investors came to their senses and sees that AMD is not getting bought out. I don't want to be a day trader though, so I hope there will be fewer antics in the future.
 
Nightbird said:
Sold my stock today, it went up 12% due to the rumors, I'll buy back in once it stops tumbling because investors came to their senses and sees that AMD is not getting bought out. I don't want to be a day trader though, so I hope there will be fewer antics in the future.
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Depending on what happens by Monday, I may sell what I have for the time being as well. I bought in back when it was around penny stock territory, so it isn't a bad investment even if AMD stock ends up dropping 10% on Monday when speculators realize that they made a mistake.
 
Dylan80 said:
:(

That will be a sad day in computing..... good for dummy consumers though! No?
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Wouldn't be the end of the world though as long as A.) AMD got R&D money, could be a big boon there and B.) As long as Dell wasn't eating all the stock, as long as AMD CPU's and GPU's are sold retail I am not against it. I could see the lack of OEM sales to other competitors killing AMD though in that situation, they have good relationships with some companies like Acer (and therefore Gateway and Emachines). My worst fear would be a Compaq buying DEC outcome. Which made it simple for HP to kill it off by buying Compaq as a "computer competitor" instead of high end server CPU supplier (in which Itantium was still a ways out and the competition was PA-Risc (hp only) and Sparc (Sun only) and random Power chips from IBM).
 
-3.6% today, good thing I sold last friday. The buyout thing really was a long shot, I'm aiming to buy back in at 8$, anyone else?
 
Nightbird said:
-3.6% today, good thing I sold last friday. The buyout thing really was a long shot, I'm aiming to buy back in at 8$, anyone else?
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I decided to hold on as the stock market is not easy to predict. AMD is just so volatile, it is risky to decide to day trade it.

I think the big part is that the stock market in general appears to have taken a beating today due to that crap going on in *surprise* another crappy part of the world where people are miserable............
 
amdgamer said:
I decided to hold on as the stock market is not easy to predict. AMD is just so volatile, it is risky to decide to day trade it.

I think the big part is that the stock market in general appears to have taken a beating today due to that crap going on in *surprise* another crappy part of the world where people are miserable............
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It was a hard choice for me to sell too, last time AMD took a dip because the CEO left reversed a 20% gain I had in the stock. That made me decide to sell this time around, I hope it's the right decision.
 
Nightbird said:
It was a hard choice for me to sell too, last time AMD took a dip because the CEO left reversed a 20% gain I had in the stock. That made me decide to sell this time around, I hope it's the right decision.
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With all of the unrest going on in the middle east causing yet another drop in stocks all around today, you definately made the right choice. Last I checked, AMD was at $8.50 a share and still dropping during after hours trading. I should have done the same, but it is no biggie for me since I don't own as many shares as others.
 
Dizon248 said:
Dang, should've put my money into AMD yesterday.... Their stock jumped up 7%.
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I put some in this morning on my android stock game. I'm too poor to play a bunch of real money, so I practice with fake money and real news!
 
Dizon248 said:
Dang, should've put my money into AMD yesterday.... Their stock jumped up 7%.
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Well damn, i'm glad I didn't get rid of my AMD stock. It looks like the Apple news is what is responsible for this jump today. I will still never buy a Mac, but i'm glad to see that Apple is really taking a liking to AMD's hardware.

By comparison, it looks like nVidia's stock took a major hit today, as did many other stocks due to all the crap going on around the world.
 
I put my money back into AMD today, but after it went up 5% though. My attempt to play day trader netted me only about 2% (sell price-buy price), oh well.
 
Nightbird said:
I put my money back into AMD today, but after it went up 5% though. My attempt to play day trader netted me only about 2% (sell price-buy price), oh well.
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That is why I don't play day trader. Day trading is more or less gambling and not investing. Sometimes you get lucky, but i'd rather not worry about it.
 
That's why you don't just buy at the market price when your order is placed.
 
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