Nvidia kills GTX285, GTX275, GTX260, abandons the mid and high end market

GoodBoy said:
Doesn't sound very neutral, fanboi much?

Nvidia is not toast.

Current high end cards going end of life likely means the new generation is closer to market than they are letting on. They WANT the old stuff to sell out, that way all their resellers are not stuck with large quantities of old-gen parts trying to compete against their new offerings.

If Fudzilla is the house organ of nvidia, semiaccurate is the house organ of ati.

What will you say when Fermi based cards start showing up? Something about emperor and clothing.

You do know that its nvidia that helps keep your ati cards affordably priced?
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really? before HD4870 showed up at $300.. nvidia was selling their GTX280 @ $649..
before Fermi .. ati is selling its next gen 5870 @ $379... go figure..


they EOL on cards when the new generation is out in the market , not when they dont have anything in the market... did ati kill 4850/70/90 3 months ago in anticipation of 58xx?
 
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I can admit I was wrong. I thought this entire article (minus the chipset issue) was total FUD. According to the article linked the issue suppliers had with the gtx275 et al was actually getting parts. This isn't a matter of EOL as the article read, it's a matter of no supply. That is not a good sign for the resellers if they still have demand, regardless of "Fermi" not so imminent release. It's tough to convince someone to stop selling something if they are still making a profit on it, and have demand. I think the ATI 5XXX series is at the least making it's presence felt now.

I personally don't agree that in this economy Nvidia is making ATI sell at a price point. It's the opposite really. ATI is forcing nvidia's hand to either price competitively or become a fringe player. I think there are simply two choices in this economy. Sell at a price point that people can afford , or not sell at all. People are perfectly happy to sit on their hardware right now if it's still working at a reasonable level. The day's of launching $600 video cards has come and gone. If Nvidia launches Fermi at anything much over $400 they are in serious trouble. People can be fans of a brand all they want, hell I love Ferrari but in no way can I afford one. Add in 10% unemployment figures, peoples savings/retirements being more or less negative equity at this point and somehow a $600 video card seems kind of superfluous to many people. Doubly so when we likely have a sub $400 part that can provide all the performance that is currently needed.

Let's hope Nvidia can ride out this storm, as once the economy rebounds I'd rather not be at the mercy of a single GPU vendor. As I doubt Intel will have much to offer with it's first generation, if it ever show up. I don't want nvidia to die, just be forced to compete on price. Hopefully the 5XXX series does this.
 
Ghettobox said:
Let's hope Nvidia can ride out this storm, as once the economy rebounds I'd rather not be at the mercy of a single GPU vendor. As I doubt Intel will have much to offer with it's first generation, if it ever show up. I don't want nvidia to die, just be forced to compete on price. Hopefully the 5XXX series does this.
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Problem is, the economy isn't going to rebound...anytime soon at least. If and when it does.....it isn't going to be the America of old. People will continue to focus on needs for a long time (for the most part).

Even if I'm wrong, having a single GPU manufacturer isn't good for us. Remember folks, companies exist to make money. If you think for one second Ati won't start bumping up prices (maybe not this gen, but next gen), you're fooling yourself. They are so much in the red they almost have to at some point or another.

-Just my .02
 
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15919/1/


Sorry if this or something close to it was already posted, didn't feel like going through 20 pages.

Looks like Charlie was actually right? I wouldn't doubt that most of what Charlie says has some truth to it, but yes the words he uses is strong hatred towards Nvidia which of course pisses everyone off.
 
amdownzintel said:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15919/1/


Sorry if this or something close to it was already posted, didn't feel like going through 20 pages.

Looks like Charlie was actually right? I wouldn't doubt that most of what Charlie says has some truth to it, but yes the words he uses is strong hatred towards Nvidia which of course pisses everyone off.
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Yeah that's the article I was referring to. No idea to it's validity or not. I don't keep up on which sites have which "political" leaning's. Charlie is a known ATI fanboy/ Nvidia basher, I personally have no idea which way fudzilla leans if they lean at all.
 
amdownzintel said:
http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15919/1/


Sorry if this or something close to it was already posted, didn't feel like going through 20 pages.

Looks like Charlie was actually right? I wouldn't doubt that most of what Charlie says has some truth to it, but yes the words he uses is strong hatred towards Nvidia which of course pisses everyone off.
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I went to Newegg two days ago, and those cards are in limited supply. The 5870 beats those cards. It makes sense to cancel. No profit can be made on them at the same price point as the 5870 & 5850. The 295 is still profitable since the 5870 only competes with it, not beat it. But if the ATI drivers get better really soon, the future of the 295 will look bleek also.
 
Ghettobox said:
Yeah that's the article I was referring to. No idea to it's validity or not. I don't keep up on which sites have which "political" leaning's. Charlie is a known ATI fanboy/ Nvidia basher, I personally have no idea which way fudzilla leans if they lean at all.
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Fudzilla is Nvidia owned. On a good day he can break down a single Nvidia article into 8 different articles so the front page can be all Nvidia and supposedly warrant your clicks.
 
Atech said:
You should really watch it again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8QutIg6z0

And personal attacks don't change that ;)
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The supposed performance in that video (pre- rendered in HI DEF ?:D lol), with no actual card being shown other than the joke of a mockup held up by JHH is about believable as the performance the Killer NIC in your sig promises to deliver.

Oh btw GUYZ: CHARLIE WAS RIGHT kudos to him for making all his doubters in this thread eat their words.
 
Ghettobox said:
Yeah that's the article I was referring to. No idea to it's validity or not. I don't keep up on which sites have which "political" leaning's. Charlie is a known ATI fanboy/ Nvidia basher, I personally have no idea which way fudzilla leans if they lean at all.
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they lean very heavily towards Nvidia but the are nowhere near as virulent as charlie. you might notice that they put a pretty positive spin calling it a "supply problem". Nor is it unusual to see a couple of positive articles to counter balance a bit of bad news. So if they put out bad news for nvidia I would be inclined to believe it. though I still have a hard time believing that they are just conceding the market for the next few months.

It pisses people off but as much as he puts out charlie does get a lot of insider info. He will of course put in the worst possible light.
 
kadozer said:
Oh btw GUYZ: CHARLIE WAS RIGHT kudos to him for making all his doubters in this thread eat their words.
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I don't think anyone is/was saying he couldn't be right, even I said most of the time, when referring to his articles.

But, in Charlies case, it's more of a case of "even a broken clock is right twice a day", than he is right because he is a responsible reporter who does his homework.

Make ZERO mistake, he is a still a World. Class. Douche.
 
Charlie is Nvidia hater not ati lover lol

from his old articles (pre Nvidia hate era) :

"ATI has no PS3.0 part, and never will. The problem isn't that big if you look at it from the perspective of the highest end on the market, the pimped out Ultra-Platinum-Stupidlyexpensive Edition"

"ATI just rebadges the previous generation, and uses its numbering scheme to make it sound like they have something that it doesn't. It is more than enough to fool some of the consumers, but then again, there are a lot of machines sold with Celerons in them."
 
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amdownzintel said:
Looks like Charlie was actually right?
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Fuad's article isn't a confirmation. Fuad uses the terms "confirm" and "confirmation" frequently despite not actually identifying his sources nor linking to official press releases.

thequietroute said:
Fudzilla is Nvidia owned.
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That would explain the XFX ad currently on their front page advertising for their AMD-series cards (as part of their weird 2118AD campaign). I'm not a fan of Fraud Abazovic, but let's try to be fair here.
 
phide said:
That would explain the XFX ad currently on their front page advertising for their AMD-series cards (as part of their weird 2118AD campaign). I'm not a fan of Fraud Abazovic, but let's try to be fair here.
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I see a Sapphire ad at the top
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Charlie thinks they are Nvidia owned. They're not, but Fuad has a close relationship with that camp. He's just much more positive in general, though he has run articles that played up issues with unreleased AMD cards.
 
After they put so much effort into designing the different cards. I would think it would take something drastic for Nvidia to just abandon the product line. I can seem them focusing more on other projects. But over all, just leaving something is a huge loss in capital. Truthfully, i just hope its not true, competition the best thing for any market. And a company can operate in the short run with negative sales.
 
I can't understand why anyone doesn't want competition. When we have competition, the consumer wins. Who really wants AMD to own the market for video cards? Who really wants Nvidia to own the market? I think Nvidia needs to learn a few lessons, so they can keep AMD sharp. Right now, it's AMD keeping Nvidia sharp I would think.
 
I don't think this is a debate on whether or not anyone WANTS nVidia to fold, but more along the lines of "is the original article accurate"

Sure, many of us have brand prefrence and some may like to see one company do better than another, but I think there are very few people who actually want anyone to fail.
 
Charlie thinks they are Nvidia owned. They're not, but Fuad has a close relationship with that camp. He's just much more positive in general, though he has run articles that played up issues with unreleased AMD cards.
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I think Fuad is afraid to express his thoughts. A Pussy That Ain't Got THE BALLS. He's just collecting Euros. A businessman wannabe.

I can't understand why anyone doesn't want competition. When we have competition, the consumer wins. Who really wants AMD to own the market for video cards? Who really wants Nvidia to own the market? I think Nvidia needs to learn a few lessons, so they can keep AMD sharp. Right now, it's AMD keeping Nvidia sharp I would think.
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Nvidia is at ~65% desktop game market share. I think AMD should be worried.
 
gescom said:
I think Fuad is afraid to express his thoughts. A Pussy That Ain't Got THE BALLS. He's just collecting Euros. A businessman wannabe.



Nvidia is at ~65% desktop game market share. I think AMD should be worried.
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And the desktop market is a drop in the bucket. ATI owns the Wii and xbox360, so whats your point?
 
And the desktop market is a drop in the bucket. ATI owns the Wii and xbox360, so whats your point?
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NEW YORK -- July 24, 2006 --AMD and ATI today announced plans to join forces in a transaction valued at approximately $5.4 billion.

Desktop graphics market was at $23 billion in 2006(!).

A drop in the bucket? Could be.
 
How much of NV's business is the GTX 260 / 285 / 295, compared to all of their integrated offerings in laptops, mobile devices, and computers for non-gamers? Doesn't NV still have an ENORMOUS business with engineering (Quadro), laptops, the PS3, Zune HD and a domination of the next generation of phones, and cheap pseudo-distributed computing (CUDA)?

And how about computers from Best Buy / Dell? You know, where most American's buy their computers? Most computers from these companies don't have anything close to a GTX 260 in them.
 
IRSmurf said:
How much of NV's business is the GTX 260 / 285 / 295, compared to all of their integrated offerings in laptops, mobile devices, and computers for non-gamers? Doesn't NV still have an ENORMOUS business with engineering (Quadro), laptops, the PS3, Zune HD and a domination of the next generation of phones, and cheap pseudo-distributed computing (CUDA)?

And how about computers from Best Buy / Dell? You know, where most American's buy their computers? Most computers from these companies don't have anything close to a GTX 260 in them.
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ATI is the one with the very low power parts. once they start getting those to the OEMs for manufacturing in new laptops, Nvidia's marketshare there will be shunned.

Nvidias biggest thing right now is the Tegra chip in the Zune HD. Even though I am an ATi fan, i have to admit that the tegra is a wonder in itself. Halo Portable on the Zune HD? ATI's not doing it yet, so props to NV for that.

However, ATI DOES have 360 and wii. i don't know about you, but most people i ask about gaming, they ask me if i have a 360... Hardly ever PS3, and wii every now and then...

ATI Does have marketshare in Engineering/professional video cards as well. The FireGL cards are still making their way onto the market AFAIK, so that "engineering" part of nvidia shouldn't even matter. tehre arent that many companies that even use those cards. lets be realistic here.

CUDA and Physx are just dead... Can we stop beating that horse?
 
And lord knows things haven't changed since then. You know like laptops being bigger sellers now, consoles ruling the gaming market, more hand held devices etc. You can't possibly believe that the enthusiast vid card market is at 23 billion dollars. Cause realistically, I'm not sure if you checked the title of the thread, that's kind of what we are talking about.
 
AmongTheChosenX said:
ATI is the one with the very low power parts. once they start getting those to the OEMs for manufacturing in new laptops, Nvidia's marketshare there will be shunned.

Nvidias biggest thing right now is the Tegra chip in the Zune HD. Even though I am an ATi fan, i have to admit that the tegra is a wonder in itself. Halo Portable on the Zune HD? ATI's not doing it yet, so props to NV for that.

However, ATI DOES have 360 and wii. i don't know about you, but most people i ask about gaming, they ask me if i have a 360... Hardly ever PS3, and wii every now and then...

ATI Does have marketshare in Engineering/professional video cards as well. The FireGL cards are still making their way onto the market AFAIK, so that "engineering" part of nvidia shouldn't even matter. tehre arent that many companies that even use those cards. lets be realistic here.

CUDA and Physx are just dead... Can we stop beating that horse?
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just a note but nvidia supposedly has the DS next gen. and while cuda is largely worthless to the general consumer its still used in other places. and it may well be the foundation for some of the new super computers. so I would not say its dead. it was never alive in the general consumer market to die and is actually gaining ground elsewhere.
 
Hahaha Charlie was right, hell if you read his article and got past the hate what he was suggesting was not far fetched and I would have expected Nvidia to do that.
Its bad for there image but good for bussiness.
Nvidia has backed out of the fight.
 
This isn't good news as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure Nvidia will be back in the game in like three months...and perhaps take back the performance crown...but by then it will be too late. They will have lost a lot of marketshare and more importantly...I had already ordered the 5850 which means I didn't get the 5850 at a competitive price.
 
Hi Kyle,

Thanks for asking.

There is no truth to this. Charlie has become a sponsored site of his sole advertiser. It's no coincidence his website looks like an AMD ad.

Please let your readers know, and let us know if you have any more questions.

Thanks.
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Wow. Don't think there is anything left to say on this. Enjoy.
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I think now, it's a safe bet to say "if it comes from nVidia it must be true" isn't quite as accurate as Kyle may have thought.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Hahaha Charlie was right, hell if you read his article and got past the hate what he was suggesting was not far fetched and I would have expected Nvidia to do that.
Its bad for there image but good for bussiness.
Nvidia has backed out of the fight.
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It's good for short-term business and not much else IMO. While they may cut their losses with this move, they are also at the same time giving the market to AMD which can and probably will hurt them in the stretch. The die hard fans may wait as long as it takes for Fermi, but most people won't, especially when all nVidia has are slower, more power hungry and more expensive cards that are going to get increasingly more difficult to find, and those people will buy AMD. Then, when Fermi launches, even if it does outperform the 58xx series, how many folks are actually going to upgrade their new 58xx to Fermi?

Conversely, if they do lower the price to where it should be and take a loss, they'll keep as much of the market share as possible and the upgrade path to Fermi is more likely to happen since the performance difference would be more significant and the price paid for the GT2xx wasn't too much.
 
 
If Nvidia wants to compete they need to restructure and refocus......Aside from the 2900 series everything since the 9000 series has been nothing but great for ATi. Since ATi has switched to a modular design, they have been able to produce parts that allow them to sell at a profit on each one but they cannot get enough market share to actually make a profit overall....

I think part of the problem is that MS is not stictly holding peolpe to program to the Direct X standard and we wound up with stupid crap like TWIWMTP that really put a bad taste in people's mouth. IF your chip cannot perform to the standard, it should be "sucks to be you, maybe you'll get it right next time"
 
Wow looks like just yelling "Charlie is an asshole! He has AMD ads on his site! He's obviously biased!" doesn't automatically invalidate everything he says, no matter how loud you yell it.
 
flak-spammer said:
I wouldn't claim that it is true yet: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/10/12/nvidia-partners-claim-gt200-still-in-mass-production.aspx It seems that Charlie is indeed back to fudding (not that he ever stopped).
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This isn't surprising, if true.

Charlie is a straight up liar, and there are plenty of facts to prove it.

I would love to know the reason he hates Nvidia. I'd also love to know how I can get away with posting total lies built around "anonymous" insider information and get away with it.

Maybe Nvidia just doesn't want to look petty by Suing him off the face of the Earth.
 
Atech said:
Dosn't look like NVIDIA is in danger at the moment:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/

Wake me when market ratios change to the opposite.
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Do Nvidia users pay a monthly fee to Nvidia for the privelige of using their cards? No? Then what do September's market share numbers have to do with anything?

We'll see what the numbers look like after Nvidia goes several months with no answer to ATI's high-end and mid-range parts.
 
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