x1950 Pro AGP: ATi throws AGP a bone

Yeeeeeeeey!! New PSU just turned up....Now to check what this baby can really do...
 
Okay...If anyone's interested the 3DMark05 scores:

Old 9800PRO - 3082

X1950 with CCC 7.1 and old PSU 6732
X1950 with CCC 7.1 and new PSU - 6830
X1950 with Omega drivers & new PSU - 7003
 
cozumel said:
Okay...If anyone's interested the 3DMark05 scores:

Old 9800PRO - 3082

X1950 with CCC 7.1 and old PSU 6732
X1950 with CCC 7.1 and new PSU - 6830
X1950 with Omega drivers & new PSU - 7003
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Similar system P4 3.0c @ 3.3 Ghz, 2 GB Gskill @ 440 DDR 2.5-3-3-7, Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP, Antec TruPower 550 watt

X800XT PE
3DMark03 - 12,500
3DMark05 - 6,057
3DMark06 - 2,039

X1950 Pro (Cat 6.12)
3DMark03 - 14,616 (17% increase)
3DMark05 - 7,042 (16% increase)
3DMark06 - 3,078; (51% increase)
 
Lantano said:
Similar system P4 3.0c @ 3.3 Ghz, 2 GB Gskill @ 440 DDR 2.5-3-3-7, Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP, Antec TruPower 550 watt

3DMark05 - 7,042 (16% increase)
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Looking at Futuremark now and it looks like your score was actually 7,082. That's if you're the guy with an Abit A17 mobo? You may have done yourself outta 40 points!!

BTW just got to 7,227 but then I'm overclocked @ 621/724. What are your temps like?
 
Lantano said:
Similar system P4 3.0c @ 3.3 Ghz, 2 GB Gskill @ 440 DDR 2.5-3-3-7, Sapphire X1950 Pro AGP, Antec TruPower 550 watt

X800XT PE
3DMark03 - 12,500
3DMark05 - 6,057
3DMark06 - 2,039

X1950 Pro (Cat 6.12)
3DMark03 - 14,616 (17% increase)
3DMark05 - 7,042 (16% increase)
3DMark06 - 3,078; (51% increase)
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Just FYI your CPU is limiting your scores and I would also check to make sure you have the APG slot running at 8x, sometimes bios defaults to 4x...

Its amazing what a P4 at 3.9ghz allows the 1950agp to do.
 
2.7ghz is my max. fine for benchmarking but it takes silly volts to get there - 1.55v (stock is 1.35v) and it's still not fully stable. but that's probably down to the puny cooler that comes with the ct479 adapter i'm using.

i run @ 2.6ghz 24/7 as that only need needs 1.45v and is 18hour sp2004 stable. :

edit: re-read your post. i take it you mean 3dmark06 oops. i've only ran that with the [email protected] and the card at stock. 4506 points.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=942040
 
Well, I couldn't help myself. I decided to run a 3dMARK 05 on my card even though I'm still waiting on a new PSU I just ordered. (I just ordered a new Enermax Liberty PSU that honestjohn was kind enough to recommend) I'm currently running a P4 3.4 and 2 gigs of ram. With no overclock to the CPU or card, all bone stock I got a 7618. I guess that's okay but I do think these scores are very CPU limited as evidenced by some of the scores that people with faster processors are acheiving. Couple things..

1. Cozumel you got almost a 200 point increase by switching from the CCC drivers to the Omega drivers? That's awesome. I'm using right now CCC 6.12. After seeing that I think I will definitely try the Omega drivers.

2. Although I could start overclocking the sapphire card, I think the there's probably a far greater potential to be gained from overclocking the CPU. What is a reasonable overclock for a stock p4 3.4? Unfortunately I know next to nothing about CPU overclocking. Sunin, you seem to be very knowledgeable in that regard. Recommend any good sites for learning to overclock 101. I'm a complete newbie when it comes to that. Thanks.
 
Johnny, you need to post your mobo, cpu & ram specs and which case you use. Also what your current CPU temps are under load and idle

When you overclock your P4 it effects the speed of memory although you can set ratios via the BIOS. It's good to have the ratio 1:1 (no bottleneck). Also, overclockin' heats things up, but its good fun and it can be worth it. Sometimes you need to increase the voltage to CPU/RAM to get a good overclock which results in extra heat. So whats your cooling like in your case?

Here the first two guides I found just now from 'googling' are here and here buts there's loads of stuff on this this forum, driverheaven and all over the place.

Start a thread in the overclocking section of this forum if you get stuck or need advice.
 
I'm having problems with my Sapphire X1950 Pro... I'm running a Enermax 350 PSU, an overclocked Barton 2500+ (running at 2.2 ghz), 1 GB of RAM. The system also has two optical drives, and two ATA HDD running, to give an idea of power consumption.

The card shows minor artifacting very quickly after boot up, even on the desktop. ATI Tool shows idle temps in the mid 50C. Firing up a game brings the temp very quickly up to the 75 - 80C range and immediately nukes the card... massive artifacting, gets worse and worse until the DVI port shuts down on its own.

I've read on the Sapphire forums about problems cooling the VRMs on the back of the card, but none of the reviews or major hardware forums seem to mention it. I'm also suspicious - cooling problems generally manifest themselves slower than the catastrophic failures I'm seeing. The card fails or becomes virtually unusable after 15 minutes of game play, or less.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Do I have a bad card that I should exchange? Could the underpowered PSU be causing the issues? Are other people seeing massive cooling problems with the Sapphire card? The cooler on it is very flimsy looking.
 
Hm, is it worth upgrading my OC'ed X850XT (560/600) to this? I've got a A64 3400+ @ 2.5, is my cpu going to bottleneck the the x1950pro?
 
cozumel said:
Looking at Futuremark now and it looks like your score was actually 7,082. That's if you're the guy with an Abit A17 mobo? You may have done yourself outta 40 points!!

BTW just got to 7,227 but then I'm overclocked @ 621/724. What are your temps like?
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Yea, Yea it was 7,082 it was a typo, so sue me.... :p (I am the guy with the AI7 mobo)

X1950 Pro AGP is at stock speeds and temps were 59 C
 
Sunin said:
Just FYI your CPU is limiting your scores and I would also check to make sure you have the APG slot running at 8x, sometimes bios defaults to 4x...

Its amazing what a P4 at 3.9ghz allows the 1950agp to do.
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Yep, but I bought this X1950 Pro AGP vid card so I would not have to upgrade the CPU / mobo right now.... BTW this is using an ABIT AI7 mobo at AGP 8X and I can run at 3.5 Ghz but clocked back to 3.3 Ghz to extend the life of this CPU. I am planning on upgrading at year end with a quad core / DX10 vid card system. This X1950 Pro AGP card will go to my son's PC, so it's not a wasted purchase.
 
Lantano said:
Yep, but I bought this X1950 Pro AGP vid card so I would not have to upgrade the CPU / mobo right now.... BTW this is using an ABIT AI7 mobo at AGP 8X and I can run at 3.5 Ghz but clocked back to 3.3 Ghz to extend the life of this CPU. I am planning on upgrading at year end with a quad core / DX10 vid card system. This X1950 Pro AGP card will go to my son's PC, so it's not a wasted purchase.
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That's exactly my situation. Plan to do a new build this time 2008!!! I've had my P4 at over 3.6 but reduced to 3.4 so I don't have to provide extra voltage.

Almost identical machines....almost identical theories....wow:p
 
cozumel said:
That's exactly my situation. Plan to do a new build this time 2008!!! I've had my P4 at over 3.6 but reduced to 3.4 so I don't have to provide extra voltage.

Almost identical machines....almost identical theories....wow:p
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All I got to say is great minds think alike..... ;)

I built this current machine in July of 2004, at the time this was a top performer. I used to build a new PC every 6 months; coming up on 3 years with roughly the same build is amazing. The only thing I've changed is increased the memory from 1 gb to 2 gb, upgraded from 160gb to 750gb combined Hard Drives(16 mb cache), beefed up the Power Supply from 400 watt to 550 watt, and went from a 9700 Pro to a X800XT PE and now the X1950 Pro. Ok, so I did change the config slightly over the years... I am a [H]ard|OCP Hardware Addict after all.
 
Does anyone know if the PowerColor x1950 pro agp have HDCP support? I couldn't find anything on their website. Can this card power WoW at 1920 x 1200?
 
picollection said:
Does anyone know if the PowerColor x1950 pro agp have HDCP support? I couldn't find anything on their website. Can this card power WoW at 1920 x 1200?
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What kind of FPS are you looking for? If I can use my Powercolor for Oblivion at max @1680x1050 with x4 AA and x4 AF and still get 25-60+ fps I'm guessing it will do WoW @1920x1200 fine with an average of 50+ FPS
 
aznpxdd said:
Hm, is it worth upgrading my OC'ed X850XT (560/600) to this? I've got a A64 3400+ @ 2.5, is my cpu going to bottleneck the the x1950pro?
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Hmm, what a unique question. It's probably been asked and answered a couple dozen times on this thread. But here-goes: YOU ARE FINE
 
fromundacheese said:
Hmm, what a unique question. It's probably been asked and answered a couple dozen times on this thread. But here-goes: YOU ARE FINE
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Even if you are cpu limited remember that this card then can do things like 16AA/16AF and it still won't bog the card. So no matter what your going to have a more enjoyable gaming experience.
 
aznpxdd said:
Hm, is it worth upgrading my OC'ed X850XT (560/600) to this? I've got a A64 3400+ @ 2.5, is my cpu going to bottleneck the the x1950pro?
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Your CPU has more power than mine and I'm very impressed with the results. The shadows, the rippling of and refracted images showing through water, the colors and the fps are awesome. My rig has new lease of life that will keep me going for another 12 months. Well worth the investment. It will blow your X850XT away (overclocked or not).
 
picollection said:
thanks, now the question is if the Power Color has HDCP.
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Raises eyebrow... Correct me if I'm wrong but these are all standard ATI boards that each company just fits coolers onto and brandage and resells, the main specs do not change, and thus HDCP would not vary between suppliers.
 
yes it would sunin.

the reference board itself is hdcp capable... but the oem/suppliers need to install a separate hdcp crypto-rom (this is where they decrypt) chip to be 100% hdcp-capable. as of right now, it doesn't matter because no HD movies are ICT-enabled. you should be able to play 1080p24 content back on NON-hdcp displays. the reason why people ask for it is because when the studios (paramount/fox, etc.) decide to enable Image Constraint Token (ICT). ICT will dowrez 1080p24->960x540 or somn like that if you don't have a hdcp display. this is all about being future ready. many HT-enthusiasts think ICT won't be enabled until the players+media have reached critical mass and that might not happen until 2011, and by that time you will have replaced your video card & display for sure :D. i believe you need hdcp-rom to playback HD DVD though.

afaik, the ATI-manufactured cards do not have the hdcp crypto-rom. only people like sapphire or whomever has paid $ to hdcp consortium will get the hdcp chip to add to the reference design.

* AMD’s ATI Radeon® X and Radeon® 9550 series of GPUs are capable of processing HDCP signals ("HDCP ready"), however not all ATI Radeon graphics cards are HDCP ready. Please check the applicable ATI Redeon graphics card specification to determine if a particular ATI Radeon graphics card is HDCP ready. Some third parties manufacture graphics cards containing ATI Radeon GPUs -- you can inquire of them which models, if any, -- are HDCP ready
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http://ati.amd.com/products/RadeonX1950/specs.html
 
JediFonger said:
plus i hear the temps are great :D

30-40 idle am i correct? even on the sapphire?
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Temps on my Sapphire are terrible. Idle 53C, mid 80's under load. Ambient temp in the box is under 30. I also have severe artifacting on the desktop with the Sapphire - not sure if I have a bad card or if all the Sapphires are having problems.
 
oh, that's not good. i have a sapphire 9800xt 256mb agp and it's got similar issues (70 idle, 80+load). single slot cooling just doesn't work on such a high-end processor. it needs dual-slot solutions.

so, there's really compromise here? if you want high performance, must have dual slot, if not, don't do it? man that sux. i thought going to 90nm, 65nm was supposed to help GPU's stay cooler. looks like i have to go with x1600 series with HDCP for HD playback but won't be helpful for high res. gaming. *sigh*. my application has to be single slot, no dual slot allowed.
 
JediFonger said:
oh, that's not good. i have a sapphire 9800xt 256mb agp and it's got similar issues (70 idle, 80+load). single slot cooling just doesn't work on such a high-end processor. it needs dual-slot solutions.

so, there's really compromise here? if you want high performance, must have dual slot, if not, don't do it? man that sux. i thought going to 90nm, 65nm was supposed to help GPU's stay cooler. looks like i have to go with x1600 series with HDCP for HD playback but won't be helpful for high res. gaming. *sigh*. my application has to be single slot, no dual slot allowed.
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Jedi your jumping to conclusions way way way too fast... I have a visiontek same exact card, and I had no artificating and was able to OC it pretty well. This is more of a case of a bad card than anything else.
 
on one hand i can wait until prices come down and clear out but on the other hand i'd love to play HD DVD from my USB HD DVD player! :D. extremely frustrated :mad: can't decide.
 
I emailed Color Power if their X1950 pro agp had HDCP support and they responded
"Yes, X1950pro support HDCP"

Can anyone with the card confirm this?
 
My Sapphire box has this big sticker on the front that reads "HDCP Ready"

then has a pic of a open lock and says High Definition Digital Content Protection

wonder what the word "ready" means...
 
it means they've installed their hdcp-crypto-ROM on there so you can enjoy HD DVD/BluRay if you have a hdcp display.
 
I bought the PowerColor x1950 Pro Agp. 3dmark06 score was 3552.
It was for a old Dimension 8300.
3.0 Northwood with 1.25 gigs of ram. I see some improvement over the 9800 pro but I'm not a heavy FPS player.
I'm getting the Benq 24 inch soon and hopefully I can run WoW at 1920 x 1200. I don't mind all the AA and AF but as long as its 40+ I'll be happy.
 
Cactrot said:
I bought the PowerColor x1950 Pro Agp. 3dmark06 score was 3552.
It was for a old Dimension 8300.
3.0 Northwood with 1.25 gigs of ram. I see some improvement over the 9800 pro but I'm not a heavy FPS player.
I'm getting the Benq 24 inch soon and hopefully I can run WoW at 1920 x 1200. I don't mind all the AA and AF but as long as its 40+ I'll be happy.
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You upgraded from a 9800 and didn't use a single exclamation point? ;)
 
MetalX said:
You upgraded from a 9800 and didn't use a single exclamation point? ;)
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Hey, I upgraded the 9800(!!) to the X1950. Nothin' wrong with the 9800(!!). Gonna give my sister a rig for when she's working at home and the 9800's gonna go in that. I've had many hours of good gaming on the 9800(!!)


Cactrot said:
I bought the PowerColor x1950 Pro Agp. 3dmark06 score was 3552.
It was for a old Dimension 8300.
3.0 Northwood with 1.25 gigs of ram. I see some improvement over the 9800 pro but I'm not a heavy FPS player.
I'm getting the Benq 24 inch soon and hopefully I can run WoW at 1920 x 1200. I don't mind all the AA and AF but as long as its 40+ I'll be happy.
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I've also got a northwood on a revision 1 875P and enjoying a big boost in peformance. 4241 on 3DMark06. I didn't even bother finishing the benchmark on the 9800 cos it the fps was so slow it didn't seem worthwhile...
 
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