Windows 11 Market Share Keeps Declining

[jardows]

Anyone use/install Server 2025 yet?
There's a subscription based licensing mode available during setup. As if that's any indication of the direction of where things are moving.

That has always been a model available for server products. And desktop client. Even in the Windows 9x days, large institutions and corporations could subscribe for their licenses. Nothing new, except making it a bit easier to use the subscription license I think.

 

[LodeRunner]

Well they did merge VLSC into the main admin portal, so I suppose it’s not very many steps for them to add a login option to server, RDS, and other products to just pull a license from the available pool for either keyed or renewable products.

 

[cpufrost]

That has always been a model available for server products. And desktop client. Even in the Windows 9x days, large institutions and corporations could subscribe for their licenses. Nothing new, except making it a bit easier to use the subscription license I think.

Yes but it's actually an option where a product key is entered. Have not seen that before.

 

[DukenukemX]

SystemDs is pretty basic. Doesn't really support dual booting, think you can boot windows with it? Never tried. lol. Probably why most people don't realize you can use systemd instead of grub. A lot of Linux users still dual boot or want to have the option to anyway. rEFInd is imo much superior to GRUB. Most distros still default to Grub as it supports legacy bios setups. I'm not sure that is all that needed anymore, I guess if it ain't broke more distro runners figure why change.

SystemD does if you know what to do. The problem for me was that Windows was on another drive and SystemD doesn't pick up on that easily.

sudo pacman -S edk2-shell
sudo fdisk -l
sudo mkdir /mnt/winefi
sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/winefi
sudo cp -R /mnt/winefi/EFI/Microsoft/ /boot/EFI/Microsoft
sudo umount /mnt/winefi
sudo rm -rf /mnt/winefi

This is why the arch neck beards say everyone should install arch by hand. All the things you get to look at and consider. lol

I prefer stuff to just auto-detect it.

They can't get away with forcing an MS account login for enterprise, they can try to force it on home, but people like me will just install the version that can skip it. And IDGAF if they consider it piracy to use an enterprise OS at home.

Probably but Microsoft is slowly picking up on these tricks, so who knows how long it'll last?

They get away with it the same way as phone users. Most android phones stop getting security updates to the OS before the 2 year warranty runs out. And smartphones don't even have a firewall in front of them, they connect to the internet directly through 4G.

Smart phone updates are stupid. These devices should be treated like any desktop OS in terms of software updates.

Thus it is my firm belief that getting hacked or infected by ransomware can happen in only two scenarios: 1 User error, for clicking or running something you shouldn't have. This is the more likely scenario. 2 Being targeted specifically for an attack, and in this case having an up to date OS won't help you as they'll probably use zero days that haven't been patched yet anyway. So continuing to use W10 as long as games and drivers still support it is not off the table for me.

I still don't like the idea since Windows XP gets compromised the moment it connects to the internet. The lack of updates is a serious concern.

As much as I dislike some aspects of Windows 11, it is still preferable to Linux. I'm not some linux noob, I've been familiar with linux for almost 20 years, and I never liked it. I used it out of necessity at work, not choice.

Windows 11 is still fine for the average users, but the power users are the ones who are getting upset. Microsoft needs to wake up and understand why so many people are upset. They can start by removing ads and allowing Windows 11 to be installed on older machines. It's not hard to just not support TPM2.0 features on machines that don't have it.

 

[Lakados]

SystemD does if you know what to do. The problem for me was that Windows was on another drive and SystemD doesn't pick up on that easily.

sudo pacman -S edk2-shell
sudo fdisk -l
sudo mkdir /mnt/winefi
sudo mount /dev/nvme0n1p2 /mnt/winefi
sudo cp -R /mnt/winefi/EFI/Microsoft/ /boot/EFI/Microsoft
sudo umount /mnt/winefi
sudo rm -rf /mnt/winefi

I prefer stuff to just auto-detect it.

Probably but Microsoft is slowly picking up on these tricks, so who knows how long it'll last?

Smart phone updates are stupid. These devices should be treated like any desktop OS in terms of software updates.

I still don't like the idea since Windows XP gets compromised the moment it connects to the internet. The lack of updates is a serious concern.

Windows 11 is still fine for the average users, but the power users are the ones who are getting upset. Microsoft needs to wake up and understand why so many people are upset. They can start by removing ads and allowing Windows 11 to be installed on older machines. It's not hard to just not support TPM2.0 features on machines that don't have it.

I don't like dual booting, having to close things, too annoying.
I'll just stick to using VM's. There isn't that large of a performance loss .

Microsoft sort of needs the TPM2.0 stuff, it does help the average user from a number of different types of attack, and it does provide some basic encryption for local files and it ties into many of the Microsoft based cloud offerings as well.
Microsoft kept getting sued by users who were hacked so it helps solve those and shuts down those lawsuits, it also streamlines the data request part of government requests, because to do much they will need to first have the users device, which means they need all the proper warrants in place, so it takes a lot of the due diligence off of Microsoft's plate and puts it back on what ever government agency is making the request.

It's less of a technical requirement so much as a headache reducing one for them, so they could easily drop it, but their lawyers and compliance officers would complain if they did.

 

[SmokeRngs]

SystemDs is pretty basic. Doesn't really support dual booting, think you can boot windows with it? Never tried. lol. Probably why most people don't realize you can use systemd instead of grub. A lot of Linux users still dual boot or want to have the option to anyway. rEFInd is imo much superior to GRUB. Most distros still default to Grub as it supports legacy bios setups. I'm not sure that is all that needed anymore, I guess if it ain't broke more distro runners figure why change.

This is why the arch neck beards say everyone should install arch by hand. All the things you get to look at and consider. lol

There's a reason I still use GrUB. It's simple, it works and it's what I've used for who knows how long. I see no reason to swap to something else and I do dual boot.

Come to think of it, I've only used two Linux bootloaders, GrUB and LiLo and I couldn't tell you the last time I ran into that. Maybe around 96 or 97 with a copy of Red Hat a friend wanted me to check out.

 

[M76]

Probably but Microsoft is slowly picking up on these tricks, so who knows how long it'll last?

Nah, they are perfectly aware of the tricks and are choosing not to do anything about them. They know how far they can push users without actually making them switch to linux.

Smart phone updates are stupid. These devices should be treated like any desktop OS in terms of software updates.

But they are getting away with it, so this makes me question the validity of the arguments from update evangelists who will call you literally an austrian painter if you don't immediately abandon an OS as soon as daddy MS stops supporting it. When phones that haven't been updated in many years are not getting hacked left right and center.

I still don't like the idea since Windows XP gets compromised the moment it connects to the internet.

XP was compromised even while it was supported, everyone knew you couldn't connect it to the internet without a firewall in between.

The lack of updates is a serious concern.

And the availability of updates is a false sense of security.

Windows 11 is still fine for the average users, but the power users are the ones who are getting upset. Microsoft needs to wake up and understand why so many people are upset. They can start by removing ads and allowing Windows 11 to be installed on older machines. It's not hard to just not support TPM2.0 features on machines that don't have it.

They know exactly what they are doing, it is a push and pull. They keep pushing and when too many people are upset they pull back a little. But the war on older machines is indeed a bit weird. I'd not be surprised one bit if it is some sort of phoebus cartel with oems to boost new PC sales.

 

[DukenukemX]

I don't like dual booting, having to close things, too annoying.
I'll just stick to using VM's. There isn't that large of a performance loss .

I don't dual boot daily or even weekly, but only when I absolutely need to. For example, I need to rebuild the NAND on a Switch and the software tools run on Windows and not Linux. So instead of me setting up a VM and passing through USB, I'd rather just boot into Windows.

Microsoft sort of needs the TPM2.0 stuff, it does help the average user from a number of different types of attack, and it does provide some basic encryption for local files and it ties into many of the Microsoft based cloud offerings as well.

Microsoft could just put a disclaimer that your system is less secure without TPM2.0 and will not take responsibly if your system is compromised.

Microsoft kept getting sued by users who were hacked so it helps solve those and shuts down those lawsuits,

This has not worked out well in the past.

it also streamlines the data request part of government requests, because to do much they will need to first have the users device, which means they need all the proper warrants in place, so it takes a lot of the due diligence off of Microsoft's plate and puts it back on what ever government agency is making the request.

Wait what? What government requests?

It's less of a technical requirement so much as a headache reducing one for them, so they could easily drop it, but their lawyers and compliance officers would complain if they did.

They'll have another headache when people stick to Windows 10 for another ten years.

 

[DukenukemX]

Nah, they are perfectly aware of the tricks and are choosing not to do anything about them. They know how far they can push users without actually making them switch to linux.

I think Microsoft is slow to respond.

But they are getting away with it, so this makes me question the validity of the arguments from update evangelists who will call you literally an austrian painter if you don't immediately abandon an OS as soon as daddy MS stops supporting it. When phones that haven't been updated in many years are not getting hacked left right and center.

The problem with phones is that software tools like Pegasus are being made to specifically attack them due to a lack of updates. Apple for example did fix the exploit that Pegasus used, but it required to update to a entirely new version of iOS. On Windows, Linux, and MacOS you'd just get a quick update and be done with it.

And the availability of updates is a false sense of security.

I like my false sense of security.