X570 or X670E

Which X670E?

  • ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-E GAMING WIFI

    Votes: 3 21.4%
  • ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F GAMING WIFI

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • GIGABYTE X670E AORUS MASTER

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • ASRock X670E Taichi

    Votes: 4 28.6%
  • ASRock X670E Taichi Carrara

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • MSI MPG X670E CARBON WIFI

    Votes: 1 7.1%
  • Other...

    Votes: 4 28.6%

  • Total voters
    14

PilotKD

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Hello all,

I haven't been around these forums in about 12+ years and haven't built a PC going on 15 years and boy, a lot has changed! In fact, my old rig still runs "strong" in a Lian Li case with an abit IP35/Q6600 CPU combo. LOL!

I want to build a new gaming PC. This doesn't have to necessarily be a budget build, but I don't need to be dropping $1,000 on the latest, hard to find motherboard either (ie: AORUS Extreme, etc.). I just picked up a GTX 4080 Founders from Best Buy to kick things off. I kind of want this thing future-proof for a while as it may be another 10-15 years until build another. LOL

My original plan was to go 58003D, but I am leaning toward X670E instead of X570, most likely with a 7700X or maybe one of these new 3D CPU's coming out depending on their price. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock - quite a few different options. I'd like to keep it in the $400-600 price range. The above choices are not all inclusive; just the more popular options.
 
Hello all,

I haven't been around these forums in about 12+ years and haven't built a PC going on 15 years and boy, a lot has changed! In fact, my old rig still runs "strong" in a Lian Li case with an abit IP35/Q6600 CPU combo. LOL!

I want to build a new gaming PC. This doesn't have to necessarily be a budget build, but I don't need to be dropping $1,000 on the latest, hard to find motherboard either (ie: AORUS Extreme, etc.). I just picked up a GTX 4080 Founders from Best Buy to kick things off. I kind of want this thing future-proof for a while as it may be another 10-15 years until build another. LOL

My original plan was to go 58003D, but I am leaning toward X670E instead of X570, most likely with a 7700X or maybe one of these new 3D CPU's coming out depending on their price. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock - quite a few different options. I'd like to keep it in the $400-600 price range. The above choices are not all inclusive; just the more popular options.
If you're the kind of person who isn't upgrading very often(doesn't look like it), then save yourself some cash and go X570-5800x3d and be happy. if you're unhappy with it in 4 years, AM5 will be mature, DDR5 will be cheap and fast, and the chips will be even faster. you can take all the money you save, buy an upgraded machine then, and have a backup rig that will play most games just fine.
 
If you're the kind of person who isn't upgrading very often(doesn't look like it), then save yourself some cash and go X570-5800x3d and be happy. if you're unhappy with it in 4 years, AM5 will be mature, DDR5 will be cheap and fast, and the chips will be even faster. you can take all the money you save, buy an upgraded machine then, and have a backup rig that will play most games just fine.
Based on OP’s desire to keep the upgrade wallet hit in the sub $1000 range, this is solid advice. And will be a pretty big jump up from the Q6600. Going to an X670E mb with the very latest Zen4 CPU and DDR5 is going to have your wallet emptying out much closer to the $2K range…
 
What do you do with your computer? If you're just gaming, then it probably makes sense to at least look at the x3d parts before pulling the trigger on a 7700x.
 
Based on OP’s desire to keep the upgrade wallet hit in the sub $1000 range, this is solid advice. And will be a pretty big jump up from the Q6600. Going to an X670E mb with the very latest Zen4 CPU and DDR5 is going to have your wallet emptying out much closer to the $2K range…

I meant $1,000 motherboards, not necessarily $1,000 for the whole rig. I already spent $1,199 on the 4080. I would like to keep the Mobo in the $400-500 range at most. It looks like there are a few solid X670e's in this range and of course the X570's are even cheaper. My budget is probably somewhere around $2,500 before monitor and VR goggles, give or take a few hundred bucks.... yeah, I have been working overtime. 😄

What do you do with your computer? If you're just gaming, then it probably makes sense to at least look at the x3d parts before pulling the trigger on a 7700x.

I will use it mostly for gaming. I would like a kick-ass VR rig for DCS world mainly and maybe some first person shooters. Aside from that, web browsing.
 
The bang for the buck leap right now coming from a Q6600 based rig is till going to be MUCH higher with a X570-5800x3d combo then latching onto the very latest X670E/Zen4 CPU/DDR5. Doing a solid budget conscious upgrade now will easily get you where you want to be with gaming/VR. And rather than waiting 5-10 years, with all the money you'd save, you'd be in a very good place to easily afford the much bigger Zen5 leap you would get in a couple of years. The leap from Zen3 to Zen4 isn't all that earth shattering to be honest. ~13%.

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From your Q6600 to a 5800x3d:

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So for single core performance, a difference of 376%. (Nearly 4X) And for multi-core, that improvement gap is hefty 907%. (9X)
 
Out of your mobo choices above, I will go with Asus E Strix (Asus usually has superior bios options compared to other, not to mention it's new AI overclock), or Asrock Taichi (usually a niche / halo product, but if you can find it ~400$, its a no brainer, but beware Asrock usually has slower bios update rolled).

If you want to save some cash to prepare for x3d, then better go for b650E options, but the price parity with x670e options are not that big, so just go for x670e.

Other option, you may consider Intel i9 13900kf + z790 (ddr5).
 
I think I will go X570, as suggested above. I think once these new AM5 chips drop, we may see some price decreases on some of the older stuff. I am eye the ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero. It appears to have a large number of overwhelmingly positive reviews. I will pair that with the 5800X3D.
 
if i was in his boat, id probably go with the X670 -- then he could drop in newer processors down the line without having to also swap the ram and motherboard. I havent done the research yet, but if there is no qwerky no platform issues then id go that route for sure. I am here on an X3900 and the 5800x3d looks very attractive, but i hate being at the end of a platform.
 
Even if you go with Zen 4, why not look at the B650 and B650E boards rather than the 670? That's an easy $200 savings right there. Outside of some very specific usage scenarios, you'd never even notice, too. Check out the ASUS ROG STRIX X650E-F GAMING WIFI. Compare it to the 670 version and see if you notice anything you'd miss.
https://www.asus.com/product-compar...&LevelId=motherboards-components-motherboards
 
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Take a look at the Asus Proart X670E, it meets your pricerange and has USB4 and 10Gb ethernet.
So it seems pretty future proof.
 
Lots of AM4 owners in here with bias.

Buying new today it’s a no brainer - AM5. Years of future upgrades versus a dead end platform. I’d say get Z690 with a 13600K if you want a dead end platform. Faster.

Buy used? Sure get a dirt cheap mobo and a 5800X3D. But it makes zero sense to buy AM4 in 2023.

I just bought a X670E Taichi for $325 open box at Micro Center. The 7700X combo with 32GB RAM was $345. Do the math.
 
How's the Taichi to work with? ASRock seems to have wishy-washy reviews in general.
 
How's the Taichi to work with? ASRock seems to have wishy-washy reviews in general.
Yeah - saw those. Was worried. Loved my X99 ASRock Exteme4 - and now love my Taichi. Great “value” for features at MSRP but $325 open box it’s killer. Mine seemed new - still zip tied down to box. I’m wondering if it was one of the glue/sticker residue (over the RAM slots) returns that ASRock refurbished?

Love it - no slow booting or anything else and I personally like the BIOS and lack of bloat and nagware (other board is a 7950X in a X670E ASUS Gene).
 
Yeah, no reason to buy AM4.

Zen4 and 5800x3D trade in games, depending upon the game.
If you want to keep the cost down and don't think you will upgrade for several years-----you don't even need to worry about getting a PCIe 5.0 graphics card slot. So, I wouldn't even look at X670.

Ge this B650 motherboard:
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B650M-Micro-ATX-Warranty-Motherboard/dp/B0BH6XND27/ref=sr_1_2?crid=21T6DS7TOWC2D&keywords=b650m+matx+gigabyte&qid=1673237046&sprefix=b650m+matx+gigabyte,aps,126&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do:amzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1

That board is loaded for $200

Put an 7700x in there
DDR5 prices are way down. you can get 32GB of DDR5 6000 for $150 - $180.

You could also look at a B650e motherboard, if you want a PCIe 5.0 slot.

IMO, AM5 boards are a little backwards. They emphasize having a PCIe 5.0 SSD slot, instead of a graphics slot, on the budget boards.
Whereas with Intel, you can get PCIe 5.0 graphics slots on $160 B660 motherboards.
 
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Yeah, no reason to buy AM4.

Zen4 and 5800x3D trade in games, depending upon the game.
If you want to keep the cost down and don't think you will upgrade for several years-----you don't even need to worry about getting a PCIe 5.0 graphics card slot. So, I wouldn't even look at X670.

Ge this B650 motherboard:
https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-B650M-Micro-ATX-Warranty-Motherboard/dp/B0BH6XND27/ref=sr_1_2?crid=21T6DS7TOWC2D&keywords=b650m+matx+gigabyte&qid=1673237046&sprefix=b650m+matx+gigabyte,aps,126&sr=8-2&ufe=app_do:amzn1.fos.f5122f16-c3e8-4386-bf32-63e904010ad0&th=1

That board is loaded for $200

Put an 7700x in there
DDR5 prices are way down. you can get 32GB of DDR5 6000 for $150 - $180.

You could also look at a B650e motherboard, if you want a PCIe 5.0 slot.

IMO, AM5 boards are a little backwards. They emphasize having a PCIe 5.0 SSD slot, instead of a graphics slot, on the budget boards.
Whereas with Intel, you can get PCIe 5.0 graphics slots on $160 B660 motherboards.

From what I can understand, there are no GPU's that are PCIe5 right now and won't be for quite some time (maybe GTX 5000+?)? Like I said, I just dropped 1,200 bones on a reference 4080. I was lucky to grab one at my local Best Buy at MSRP, but definitely won't be looking to upgrade a GPU anytime soon as it could very well end up being nearly half the price of my entire build. These things are posting upwards of 175fps. DCS World and MS Flight Sim are known to run well at pretty much max everything with a 3080/90, so I don't think I will have issues with the 4080.

Also, from what I read PCIe5 SSD's are not really going to provide any noticeable gains over PCIe4 during gaming?
 
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From what I can understand, there are no GPU's that are PCIe5 right now and won't be for quite some time (maybe GTX 5000+?)? Like I said, I just dropped 1,200 bones on a reference 4080. I was lucky to grab one at my local Best Buy at MSRP, but definitely won't be looking to upgrade a GPU anytime soon as it could very well end up being nearly half the price of my entire build. These things are posting upwards of 175fps. DCS World and MS Flight Sim are known to run well at pretty much max everything with a 3080/90, so I don't think I will have issues with the 4080.

Also, from what I read PCIe5 SSD's are not really going to provide any noticeable gains over PCIe4 during gaming?

There are no PCIE 5 cards available now, but if you plan on hanging on to the same system for at least 3 years there definitely will be. That doesn't mean they'll gain a whole lot more from the new standard, but it's possible. The difference between a B650 and B650E board isn't huge, so it's basically $50 to "future proof" in case PCIE 5 cards do gain something decisive from the newer tech. PCIE 5 SSD's keep getting delayed and now aren't due to start showing up until the middle of the year. Early versions look to be extremely warm and pricey. Will they affect gaming? Unlikely, but I guess you never know. If I was a betting man, I'd say either "no" or "not much and not for a while."

It's probably worth noting that adopting a "dead platform" probably doesn't matter, OP. You're happily rocking a setup from 2006 :p Wild guess, you probably aren't going to be swapping CPU's in the next 3 years. If you keep this rig for another 15 years, swapping a 7x00 processor with an 8x00 isn't going to matter in the grand scheme of things, either.
 
Similar boat as you.

I got a 4090 and am on a X99 Asus rampage.

I'm waiting to see the reviews &. Pricing of the new AMD chip.

Personally, I find the ASRock Taichi to be Great bang for the buck. Seems to have all the featurs I want at a 1/4 of the price. ASRock has been around a long time and from my reading they have a loyal following.

On the other hand I love ASUS for the stability of their MOBOS. Where a lot of X99 mobos failed my Rampage is still crushing its O/c on my 5930k.

If your able to wait until the end of Feb / March it may be worth it. I don't see the point of going of upgrading to an older setup. You seem to be on a similar wave length of wanting the top line to last a long time. It 'feels" like this is the big drop in the cycle so getting in earlier does have its benefits.

On the Intel side, the new 13900KF chip should be coming in at 6ghz when boosted (I could be wrong). A report came out today that it was false listed overseas. EVGA has also been discountimg their Intel board fyi.

A lot of exciting stuff but those new AM5 boards have a lot of options!
 
I am not necessarily in a rush to build. I grabbed the important piece already (GPU). Getting one of those at MSRP over the last few years was like hitting the lottery. End of Feb/Mar is fine with me. I've got a lot of decisions to make anyway. Each piece of the system takes me hours to research. LOL I still need to decide on a case, but that's a whole other can of worms. I originally wanted to go ITX, but with the 4080, I will at least need to go M-ATX and at that point, I might as well stick with ATX and a medium sized tower. I'd like to water-cool the CPU.
 
I think that the X570 will be more "future proof" if you do not plan to make any upgrades.
Why? Because it's mature technology. X670 will be fast, but to be very honest, I myself would not want it, not even if it was cheaper. The X770? Yes.
Gen 2, gen 3, gen 4, gen 5, any gen, other than Gen 1 of a new era.

PCIe 5.0 is just too new, and I would love to see R2 to the specification, especially in the era of machine learning and big data, where bug reports, errors, and crash logs can be compiled and sifted through, so that fixes can be applied at the hardware and software level concerning all the new technology, using these new techniques to enhance the cutting edge a notch further than how it used to be.

I truly do believe that PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 will be good technology, but for a person who wants to build once and not upgrade, I think the FINAL generation of PCIe 4.0/DDR4 will give you a much more stable and cheaper experience. Furthermore, an RTX 4080 will basically be on the same level as the best AMD CPU from the X570 era, in terms of bottlenecks, so I can't really imagine that being a problem.

On the other hand, waiting until the X770 is also an option, and it's what I would recommend if you don't want slightly older, finalized tech.
 
I think that the X570 will be more "future proof" if you do not plan to make any upgrades.
Why? Because it's mature technology. X670 will be fast, but to be very honest, I myself would not want it, not even if it was cheaper. The X770? Yes.
Gen 2, gen 3, gen 4, gen 5, any gen, other than Gen 1 of a new era.

PCIe 5.0 is just too new, and I would love to see R2 to the specification, especially in the era of machine learning and big data, where bug reports, errors, and crash logs can be compiled and sifted through, so that fixes can be applied at the hardware and software level concerning all the new technology, using these new techniques to enhance the cutting edge a notch further than how it used to be.

I truly do believe that PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 will be good technology, but for a person who wants to build once and not upgrade, I think the FINAL generation of PCIe 4.0/DDR4 will give you a much more stable and cheaper experience. Furthermore, an RTX 4080 will basically be on the same level as the best AMD CPU from the X570 era, in terms of bottlenecks, so I can't really imagine that being a problem.

On the other hand, waiting until the X770 is also an option, and it's what I would recommend if you don't want slightly older, finalized tech.
Z690 / 13600K has better performance and price, so I don't think X570 should be considered.

In either case, I guess there's an argument for both but I don't know why you'd buy old technology new in 2023. Especially if someone doesn't upgrade often.
 
Hello all,

I haven't been around these forums in about 12+ years and haven't built a PC going on 15 years and boy, a lot has changed! In fact, my old rig still runs "strong" in a Lian Li case with an abit IP35/Q6600 CPU combo. LOL!

I want to build a new gaming PC. This doesn't have to necessarily be a budget build, but I don't need to be dropping $1,000 on the latest, hard to find motherboard either (ie: AORUS Extreme, etc.). I just picked up a GTX 4080 Founders from Best Buy to kick things off. I kind of want this thing future-proof for a while as it may be another 10-15 years until build another. LOL

My original plan was to go 58003D, but I am leaning toward X670E instead of X570, most likely with a 7700X or maybe one of these new 3D CPU's coming out depending on their price. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock - quite a few different options. I'd like to keep it in the $400-600 price range. The above choices are not all inclusive; just the more popular options.
I would wait until people have upgraded to the new 3d vcache 7000 series next month. That should drop prices on everything older and give you better options. Given you only upgrade every 15 years, a 12-16 core CPU with 3d vcache would give you more longevity I think, but that'll probably be around $1k or so, so maybe just settle on a used 5800x3d and a cheap motherboard. That'll set you back about $350-400 (https://hardforum.com/threads/fs-bnib-5800x3d-sold.2024722/) and probably get you 80% of the performance in most situations. Then 5 years from now spend another $600 or so on a replacement I guess. If you're building a gaming PC now I would always recommend 3d vcache CPUs because of how they fix annoying performance issues in many games (big cities in MMOs, for example, where no matter how many cores or how good your GPU is, you'll still get low FPS).
 
Z690 / 13600K has better performance and price, so I don't think X570 should be considered.

In either case, I guess there's an argument for both but I don't know why you'd buy old technology new in 2023. Especially if someone doesn't upgrade often.

Yeah it does look like the 13600 is faster when it comes to single-core tasks, which most games are and it is cheaper than a 5800x3D or 7700x.
 
Yeah it does look like the 13600 is faster when it comes to single-core tasks, which most games are and it is cheaper than a 5800x3D or 7700x.
I’d caveat that to “which most older games are”… Multiple core CPUs have pretty much become the norm and many newer games are starting to leverage their capabilities, so I wouldn’t necessarily count out multicore performance, especially when it comes to future gaming.
 
Yeah, there's a lot of logic in sk3tch's post.

I figured you only wanted AMD, perhaps for "political" reasons, rather than raw money.

I know some people dislike Intel for reasons more than raw price/performance metrics, which I think is fair enough. However, even though I'm a fan of AMD, I get a feeling that Intel really does have some incredibly advanced, sophisticated technology that could easily convince you to get it instead, and perhaps you should.

However, as Supercharged says above, yeah, multicore is the future ...and has been for awhile now, but on the same hand, most CPUs do indeed have 8 or more cores, unless you're specifically buying budget which I doubt you are. And with HT/SMT, I think worrying about "not enough cores" is not yet a concern. Single-thread performance then, is still relevant, considering 8 cores are 8 cores, no matter if it's Intel or AMD, and if each individual core is faster per dollar, then that's the winner.

Looking at the specific differences between an AMD build and an Intel build could be wise. And be sure to do the full math. Even if Intel has a cheaper CPU, perhaps the equivalent motherboard costs more to offset it. You'd have to check.

You should assemble your ideal AMD build, and your ideal Intel build, and while both are in your shopping cart, do the price/performance math, and see what really stands out to you.
 
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