peppergomez
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Well given the crazy prices this is a good thing if the new tech just boosts fps since there's no way I can afford to pay a thousand+ bucks for video card
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Look at what happened to lumber. It already crashed. If you could cut off the miners buying dozens of cards each, video cards would crash too.We pumped a lot of money into the economy. This is largely the new normal.
Why would that matter? Either the manufacturers, AIBs, and resellers get a cut of these crazy prices, or they don't and everything will be scalped. Either way, the end-user will pay about the same unless they compete with the scalpers. If gamers do get lucky and buy, say, a 3080 for $600, how many of them would keep it for gaming vs reselling it immediately for a $900 profit? As long as mining remains this profitable there will be additional demand for GPUs driving up the price, and even 50% crashes earlier in the year didn't really change much. If bitcoin crashes 90% then you might get the scenario everyone wants where miners dump their cards on ebay for below-MSRP, but until then (when it may happen no one can predict), you'll have much greater demand than supply. This isn't even taking into account inflation, which is also conceivably driving up the price of everything used in a GPU and being passed on to the consumer, generally faster than you would see wages rise.Look at what happened to lumber. It already crashed. If you could cut off the miners buying dozens of cards each, video cards would crash too.
Unfortunately this is what I would imagine the future to look like as well.NO ... the worst is NOT behind us, not even close. 8 year old GTX 970 cards selling for 2/3rds what they cost when new? We're no where near even seeing a tunnel let alone the light at the end of that tunnel. Get used to it ... it's here to stay. You want to play games on your PC? Be prepared to fork over some really big bucks.
phew, glad I got that off my chest
There were only 6 really huge steps in engines that I can remember, ignoring the 2.5D games.There was a distinct point in which upgrading GPUs no longer delivered dramatically better visuals, instead simply increasing fps at almost identical settings. Looking back at my gaming evolution from early 80s to present day, a lot of us are in that golden videogame generation that got to see graphics leap ahead in dramatic iterations every few years. For a kid coming into gaming today, is there even a dramatic wow factor that would deliver similar impressions from the jump of 8 bit to 16 bit to 32 bit 3d?
For me, the moment when a new graphics card simply meant slightly higher fps at the same settings was when I got 2 7900gtx's for bf2. Yeah there was a little more umph, but rationally the game looked the same despite the better part of a thousand dollars parting ways with my bank account.
Lumber feels like a different beast. Houses don’t go obsolete like a gpu does, so population growth tends to drive housing demand at the macro level. GPUs do go obsolete so not only do you have population growth demand increases you have upgrade cycle demand, which, even if we strip out the mining dips I’m under the impression that the market still isn’t supplying the necessary volumes. This is sorta evident on the LHR skus in that they’re not mining price scalped at 3x msrp, but they’re still OoS everywhere and you can’t get one easily.Look at what happened to lumber. It already crashed. If you could cut off the miners buying dozens of cards each, video cards would crash too.
NO ... the worst is NOT behind us, not even close. 8 year old GTX 970 cards selling for 2/3rds what they cost when new? We're no where near even seeing a tunnel let alone the light at the end of that tunnel. Get used to it ... it's here to stay. You want to play games on your PC? Be prepared to fork over some really big bucks.
phew, glad I got that off my chest
When you fine every company in an industry, who do you think actually ends up paying the fines they get hit with.Fine them to hell nd back!!!!
We pumped a lot of money into the economy. This is largely the new normal.
While at the same time, wages are not increasing. Guess what that means?
it means these are the good ole daysWhile at the same time, wages are not increasing. Guess what that means?
I've been on a GT 1030 for a year I just wanna play games at modestly good PC level graphics again, I even bought Death Stranding and Control over Winter and haven't touched them yet
Sold my 1070 to a friend for 200 while eBay wanted 400. If he has friends it’s be a good time to ask around. If he doesn’t have friends, well the 1030 is the least of his issuesI don't know what your budget is, but I see some used 980TI's for $300 on flea bay. That's probably the best price/perf ratio you can get at the moment.
Sold my 1070 to a friend for 200 while eBay wanted 400. If he has friends it’s be a good time to ask around. If he doesn’t have friends, well the 1030 is the least of his issues
Until people go to jail the fines are just considered the cost of doing business.But thn they dont have any incentive to be honest if we don't fine, yes?
If fines don’t work, they could always break up the company.But thn they dont have any incentive to be honest if we don't fine, yes?
While at the same time, wages are not increasing. Guess what that means?
I mean, DRAM prices have always been a shit show because the manufacturers collude on pricing so much. Maybe they'll get another token fine in 5 years.
Where are you getting 3070ti and 6800xt for $600 - $700???????????????????The people that do that are the only ones who buy the $1500 GPUs in the first place. Everyone knows that you pay top dollar for the last few percentage points of performance. If you were content with a card that was 70% as good as a $1500 card, you could get one for $600-700 (3090 vs. 3070Ti or 6800XT).
Where are you getting 3070ti and 6800xt for $600 - $700???????????????????
They never will. This is the new order of things.it's starting to feel like things will never go "back to normal."
No, but these aren't conflicting statements.So, some years back I made a comment about how the prices were getting to high for many folks and was told "it's whatever the market bares and remember, PC gaming is a luxury item."
Are you enjoying your luxury prices?
So, some years back I made a comment about how the prices were getting to high for many folks and was told "it's whatever the market bares and remember, PC gaming is a luxury item."
Are you enjoying your luxury prices?
tldr: e-peen.I've always agreed with this, and also that PC gamers made things worse. Part of the entire "PC Gaming Master Race" was ALWAYS about spending more than you had to on items and then posting it online. The bragging about spending money was always just as, if not more, important than playing actual games for a huge portion of the gaming and enthusiast community. And everything now from black PCBs, to RGB, to heatsink designs, to inflated prices on everything is directly related to that. The community hung out a "single white male sucker with money sign" draped glowing lights all over it and then broadcasted it all over the internet and companies came running far and wide and this is the result and it's not going back.
I've always agreed with this, and also that PC gamers made things worse. Part of the entire "PC Gaming Master Race" was ALWAYS about spending more than you had to on items and then posting it online. The bragging about spending money was always just as, if not more, important than playing actual games for a huge portion of the gaming and enthusiast community. And everything now from black PCBs, to RGB, to heatsink designs, to inflated prices on everything is directly related to that. The community hung out a "single white male sucker with money sign" draped glowing lights all over it and then broadcasted it all over the internet and companies came running far and wide and this is the result and it's not going back.
This situation isn't isolated to PC gaming, lots of other things are like it. Check out cooking equipment for married foodies and those prices have gone up as well. People posted their pictures in the kitchen on date night and videos of cooking and now knife prices are up and good lord the high end stuff.
If companies see an chance to do this they will, always. But the market has to be silly enough to prove they will go for it and then boom it's over.
I've always agreed with this, and also that PC gamers made things worse.
I agree with this, I've lost almost all interest since I can't have what I want and it's ridiculously overpriced. It's now time to put down the keyboard and mouse and look at other things like getting on the bike and enjoying the outdoors.I don't think that's what he was saying at all.
When a lot of this started people said things like "don't like these prices? Well you don't have to be a gamer. It's a luxury," when it's more than that, and not a luxury.
Now we're on the cusp of a series of international economic issues that are poised to permanently damage PC gaming, PC building, and PC ownership in general. So maybe we shouldn't act like this is just prices going up on a luxury, but address some of the larger underlying problems that will expand well beyond how much money it takes to play Call of Duty.