TheBuzzer
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In layman terms, nvidia went cheap and had problems.
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Really Nvidia … They would never admit that the PCB itself is simply cheap and not well designed for the size power and heat output of the GPU. "Escapes" hm, easier to blame the would be cheap components...
Um... Yeah, just like the one that burst into flame while simply surfing web pages...
Kyle, longtime reader here. Love this site, best source of unbiased reviews on the planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_lawOriginal: We found that people that are having the most problems are putting these cards under too much stress. People using the cards for general productivity apps, web browsing, etc., will likely not see any problems.
Adendum: Some web browsing might cause similar issues. (Thanks go out to [H]ardOCP)
Didn't they just recently say "0.01% RMA Rate"?!
Apparently those are the cards that were able to be sent in...the rest burned up!Didn't they just recently say "0.01% RMA Rate"?!
There's no escaping statistics at high volumes; I have had bad parts make it past a triple-sort.
They should replace no doubt and any other damages done but doesn't warrant a refund. While rare high powered electronics do catch fire. I had a MSI 780 catch fire years ago. I opened a rma ticket and got a new card in a week over Thanksgiving.
Anyone remember all the motherboards that got sold with really cheap capacitors on them. We were seeing tons of bulging leaking parts and of course erratic failing boards.
Here's another great example. Once upon a time, a capacitor company thought it had bought on the black market, the secret recipe to the electrolytic solution in a high-end competing company's capacitors... This company went on to produce god knows how many capacitors using this recipe, thinking they were going to be rolling in the cash as well. Not too long down the line, products that features these caps started to fail prematurely. They ran fine up until then, but eventually the electrolyte boiled off and (presumably) lead to thermal runaway, causing them to burst or leak.
Yeah, AMD dropped 6% after close too. Must be something going on in the financial world that investors aren't liking.
*nods* lol
I didn't outright say it, but that was what I was referring to. I had a Shuttle SV25 system (FIC FV25 mobo) and those 5 Green & Gold caps all buldged and went bad. The sad thing is, I barely used the board. It sat for most of its life, getting only a few hours of total use time (I completely bodged the cap replacement due to soldering inexperience, though I still have the board for whatever reason lol).
That's why I don't find their excuse all that unbelievable, and why back on page 2 I had argued that it doesn't necessarily need to result in a DOA card, that it'll take time for these "escaped" parts to degrade enough for there to be issues.
Anyways, my money is on nV claiming it was an AMD loyalist working against nV by sabotaging their cards with these "escaped" parts... lol
I work in manufacturing. I'm going to leave it at the tinfoil hattery isn't unfounded.
I wish I could share your idealism. And quite the contrary, cheap parts + don't pass the savings onto the consumer = more profit.
My next build will be a 100% passive HEDT with flagship GPU.
I know you know what passive cooling is so I'm not going to insult your intelligence. Your card is being air cooled. I was responding to a card being passively cooled.
Is this why his forum title is "Ignore Me"? lmao But seriously, that was rough to readThis isn't going over very well have about 40 hours of gaming under my Evga 2080 played Kingdoms come deliverance Monster Hunter COD black ops 4 Hunt Showdown and Pathfinder Kingmaker for 5 hours today its going pretty good so far had 2 lockups with Hunt Showdown an COD lockups went away with updated patches. I uninstalled about four programs a Korean Crytek steam rep told me to free up ram with Hunt showdown.
Can't see how you figured idealism! It's economics: putting risky low-value parts into high-dollar products, where profits are large and brand is crucial to selling, makes no sense economically. Neither EVGA nor NVidia got where they are today by being foolish. That's why I find it surprising that "parts quality", where a batch slipped through the statistical sampling, is the overall issue.
To put it another way: I'd suppose they'd be buying parts so good that a final round of testing - after what the vendor did - would rarely find a defect. To have a failure in the final check process coincide with some lots of bad parts is... surprising. Especially, again, in $$$ halo boards where a round of serious failures will cost them hugely.
Of course it can happen. But I'm thinking (1) the production volume on all these boards will be limited by the small market for $800+ cards, and (2) a part has to be crucial and bad in a particular way to cause such a catastrophic event. So the probabilities get smaller and smaller, to the point where 'bad parts missed by testing' as an overall answer seems strange to me. Unless combined with unstated factors such as "bought most parts from new low-priced source".
The low volume part is the GPU; the caps and resistors will be high-volume and normal probabilities apply. When you ship 10k pieces a day a bad part can get deep in the chain before somebody has even read the report. Of course, this is known and can be accounted for, but clearly wasn't.
Yeah, AMD dropped 6% after close too. Must be something going on in the financial world that investors aren't liking.
Oh, dear sir...Can't see how you figured idealism! It's economics: putting risky low-value parts into high-dollar products, where profits are large and brand is crucial to selling, makes no sense economically.
I have been advised by someone extremely in the know to keep all my assets as cash at this time. Tread lightly. I asked about blue chip stocks even. He said no.Yeah, AMD dropped 6% after close too. Must be something going on in the financial world that investors aren't liking.
Haven't we been talking about this for a couple of days now in various threads?FYI: eTeknix just reported that NVidia has dropped the 2080 TI from their on-line store.
We'll see how this shakes out, but it indicates that the problem is not with inadequate testing of jellybean components - which as I've been saying seemed unlikely.
A common item we determined was was that all effected PCs had CPUs installed at the time.FAKE NEWS, THEY WILL FIND AN AMD COMPONENT IN ALL THE FAILED PCs IF THEY SEARCH HARD ENOUGH.