Turing based GPUs will carry a higher price than Pascal during the cryptocurrency craze

sabrewolf732 said:
Agreed but then the Xbox one x a rx580 class card so I'd assume navi in ps5 would at least hit v64 performance at lower wattage
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Well, that's about where I'd expect them to top out, history serving as a guide while looking optimistically at AMD. I'd give say a 50% to get to Vega64 ballpark, and a 10% chance for AMD to do appreciably better than Vega64, if say their 7nm transition goes smoothly and their next architecture is far more refined, all at once. Not that I'd complain in the slightest if they pull that off!
 
IdiotInCharge said:
I don't see the PS5/NextBoxOne being >GTX1080/Vega64 performance levels, let alone 1080Ti+. Not because consoles in the past haven't targeted top-of-the-line GPUs during development, but rather that they simply do not build SOCs that big. Remembering that said SOC will also highly likely include a CPU component as well as other potential offload circuitry and probably significant local cache to make up for the latency involved in high-bandwidth VRAM solutions (GDDR or worse, HBM), it's hard to imagine the GPU component eclipsing 1080/V64.
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I think you might be surprised. The new consoles will have the benefit of die shrinks on both the CPU and GPU side, possibly even 2 die shrinks.
 
sabrewolf732 said:
In his 40s, comes off as an elitist privileged asshole, prioritizes gaming over family and complains about men not being men.

Gotcha.
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Nope, just someone who worked hard to get what I want, not whine like a pretentious little brat. No gaming doesn't come over family as I take care of my mother who is an invalid after my father's death. Judge much?
 
i think that last part "men not being men" might have hit close to home...
 
I honestly think that some of you guys are just not hardcore PC gamers. A lot of talk about price, is it worth it, old cards, this and that.

Life is short, money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of especially if you don't fukk it off with drinking and smokes and general BS expenditures.

It's been 2 years since we've had anything new. I will def be in-line with my $1,000 on the 20th of Aug at Microcenter at 2 or 3am ... waiting .. IF .. that's the actual release date of the GTX 1180.

And, a month later when 3rd party 1180's come out with better cooling, I'll exchange my card.

I am super-duper-crazy-excited.

Also, some of you guys still have a bit of time to dump your 1070's and 1080's, 1080 ti's, add a few hundred and be in position here in a few weeks.
 
SixFootDuo said:
I honestly think that some of you guys are just not hardcore PC gamers. A lot of talk about price, is it worth it, old cards, this and that.

Life is short, money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of especially if you don't fukk it off with drinking and smokes and general BS expenditures.

It's been 2 years since we've had anything new. I will def be in-line with my $1,000 on the 20th of Aug at Microcenter at 2 or 3am ... waiting .. IF .. that's the actual release date of the GTX 1180.

And, a month later when 3rd party 1180's come out with better cooling, I'll exchange my card.

I am super-duper-crazy-excited.

Also, some of you guys still have a bit of time to dump your 1070's and 1080's, 1080 ti's, add a few hundred and be in position here in a few weeks.
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It’s 12nm. I am not expecting an 80% increase like pascal did with full mode shrink. I think there will be some new feature that nvidia will make exclusive to new cards. But no way I am paying 1000 for 1180 lol. I just got me a 1080ti 525. I’ll stick to that for now. If 1180 is double the performance of my 1080ti, yea I will sell it and buy 1180 but I don’t expect that kind of performance going to 12nm.
 
SixFootDuo said:
I honestly think that some of you guys are just not hardcore PC gamers. A lot of talk about price, is it worth it, old cards, this and that.

Life is short, money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of especially if you don't fukk it off with drinking and smokes and general BS expenditures.

It's been 2 years since we've had anything new. I will def be in-line with my $1,000 on the 20th of Aug at Microcenter at 2 or 3am ... waiting .. IF .. that's the actual release date of the GTX 1180.

And, a month later when 3rd party 1180's come out with better cooling, I'll exchange my card.

I am super-duper-crazy-excited.

Also, some of you guys still have a bit of time to dump your 1070's and 1080's, 1080 ti's, add a few hundred and be in position here in a few weeks.
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What? so you have to spend $1000 to be a hardcore PC gamer now?

And you are thinking of upgrading from a 1080Ti to a 1180? That crosses the line from 'hardcore PC gamer' to 'there is one born every minute'
 
reaper12 said:
What? so you have to spend $1000 to be a hardcore PC gamer now?

And you are thinking of upgrading from a 1080Ti to a 1180? That crosses the line from 'hardcore PC gamer' to 'there is one born every minute'
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1180 better be 100% faster than 1080ti to justify the 100% increase in price lol. 1080ti can be had for 500 ish now used. You are right. I haven't seen XX80 cards out perform previous Ti series by much. 1180ti may be! But I am not buying this spending 1000 on 1180 alone.
 
SnowBeast said:
Nope, just someone who worked hard to get what I want, not whine like a pretentious little brat. No gaming doesn't come over family as I take care of my mother who is an invalid after my father's death. Judge much?
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Nothing wrong with working hard for what you have. Guess I just read into your post too much.
 
SnowBeast said:
Nope, just someone who worked hard to get what I want, not whine like a pretentious little brat. No gaming doesn't come over family as I take care of my mother who is an invalid after my father's death. Judge much?
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Same here. Don't get parents the second time, will sell my 1080ti if I had to choose lol in a heart beat! I had been taking care of my mom and dad last 7 year, my dad passed year and half ago too. Been taking care of mom since then. She gets his retirement and saves it, not a penny I ask for. I told her to enjoy life, use that money to travel back home to india whenever she wants and go visit her family in norway, australia. Use that 12k she gets a year to enjoy the world, don't need a penny from her and come home and stay with me however she feels.
 
SnowBeast said:
Judge much?
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You're one to talk, after you told other posters in this thread to "find your significant other, that likes this hobby too or stay single". By your same metric, who are you to judge other people's marriages? Your attitude is why you're getting these responses.

reaper12 said:
I think you might be surprised. The new consoles will have the benefit of die shrinks on both the CPU and GPU side, possibly even 2 die shrinks.
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Not only the benefit of a shrink - completely new and overhauled CPU architecture! B-bye hopelessly outdated Jaguar cores, hello Ryzen cores. Die shrink or not, just the CPU architecture change will bring a massive upgrade to next-gen's possibilities.
 
SixFootDuo said:
I honestly think that some of you guys are just not hardcore PC gamers. A lot of talk about price, is it worth it, old cards, this and that.

Life is short, money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of especially if you don't fukk it off with drinking and smokes and general BS expenditures.

It's been 2 years since we've had anything new. I will def be in-line with my $1,000 on the 20th of Aug at Microcenter at 2 or 3am ... waiting .. IF .. that's the actual release date of the GTX 1180.

And, a month later when 3rd party 1180's come out with better cooling, I'll exchange my card.

I am super-duper-crazy-excited.

Also, some of you guys still have a bit of time to dump your 1070's and 1080's, 1080 ti's, add a few hundred and be in position here in a few weeks.
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Not a hardcore PC gamer.... Ok friend. In 2011 I finished 30 pc games. In 2012 I finshed 35. 2013 I finished 32. 2014 I finished 20. In 2015 I got back up to 37. In 2016 it was about 20 and last year it was 25.

Life is short but long enough that most of us have to watch our money and sometimes a PS4 with free "demos" from the library frees up money for other things/hobbies in life.

And SnowBeats, lol at your "Judge much?" comment. Your the one who brought judgement into this thread and bragging about being given a $2,000 (in 1988 money) gift for graduating highschool. You've never had to pay a student loan have you?
 
SixFootDuo said:
I honestly think that some of you guys are just not hardcore PC gamers. A lot of talk about price, is it worth it, old cards, this and that.

Life is short, money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of especially if you don't fukk it off with drinking and smokes and general BS expenditures.
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Seriously with the entitlement in this thread, jeez.

1) Being "hardcore" at gaming doesn't make you cool. Doesn't make you better. Doesn't make you a more impressive gamer. For some, finishing 100 games a year makes them a better gamer. For others, completing games %100 makes them a better gamer. For my friends with infants to take care of and feed, playing 3-4 indies per year to completion with me as we eat pizza on weekend nights is absolute success in their fun times. For me, not giving a crap makes me a better gamer since whatever I play whenever I feel like it gives me enjoyment. I own 249 games on steam, only 12 of them with %100 achievements, does that pass or fail your standards for hardcoreness? It definitely passes my standards of not giving a crap and having fun the way I want to.

2) Money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of, eh? While you're right about drinking/smoking (note: I don't do either of those), come back and tell me that when you spend 7 years earning a miserly 16K per year as a grad student, in a different continent (meaning you can't legally work elsewhere to make more money), having to spend a bunch of $$ visiting your family at least once every year flying international (in case this needs clarification like with SnowBeast, that's because family > videogames). Now that I have a decent job I still have to save money for international travel, which puts things like a $2000 computer in perspective for me (a ridiculous perspective at that). So AMD's x80 or Nvidia's x60 ranges are perfect to enable my gaming hobbie, while keeping expenditures rational for the other needs in my life. If having a fulfilling life with lots of important nodes doesn't pass the "hardcore gamer" threshold, so be it.

I don't know if it's society at large, or just progressively younger members coming from a more comfortable generation, but in the past several years I see an increasingly alarming elitism and entitlement in the [H] forums.
 
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euskalzabe said:
Seriously with the entitlement in this thread, jeez.

1) Being "hardcore" at gaming doesn't make you cool. Doesn't make you better. Doesn't make you a more impressive gamer. For some, finishing 100 games a year makes them a better gamer. For others, completing games %100 makes them a better gamer. For my friends with infants to take care of and feed, playing 3-4 indies per year to completion with me as we eat pizza on weekend nights is absolute success in their fun times. For me, not giving a crap makes me a better gamer since whatever I play whenever I feel like it gives me enjoyment. I own 249 games on steam, only 12 of them with %100 achievements, does that pass or fail your standards for hardcoreness? It definitely passes my standards of not giving a crap and having fun the way I want to.

2) Money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of, eh? While you're right about drinking/smoking (note: I don't do either of those), come back and tell me that when you spend 7 years earning a miserly 16K per year as a grad student, in a different continent (meaning you can't legally work elsewhere to make more money), having to spend a bunch of $$ visiting your family at least once every year flying international (in case this needs clarification like with SnowBeast, that's because family > videogames). Now that I have a decent job I still have to save money for international travel, which puts things like a $2000 computer in perspective for me (a ridiculous perspective at that). So AMD's x80 or Nvidia's x60 ranges are perfect to enable my gaming hobbie, while keeping expenditures rational for the other needs in my life. If having a fulfilling life with lots of important nodes doesn't pass the "hardcore gamer" threshold, so be it.

I don't know if it's society at large, or just progressively younger members coming from a more comfortable generation, but in the past several years I see an increasingly alarming elitism and entitlement in the [H] forums.
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Yeah, there's definitely an increase in members spewing nonsense like "if you dont whine and work more you can afford a gaming pc" but maybe they're just doing it for the lulz.

Fwiw, I bust my ass working and I have a pretty extravagant setup. I also have plenty of friends/colleagues that also bust their ass working and can't afford a nice gaming pc, it's about the cards that someone is dealt and their priorities in life (and for most gaming pcs are not a priority). I don't think it'd be fair for me to go to other people and say "you don't have what i have because you don't work hard enough"

But again, maybe I'm reading too far into peoples posts.
 
SixFootDuo said:
I honestly think that some of you guys are just not hardcore PC gamers. A lot of talk about price, is it worth it, old cards, this and that.

Life is short, money isn't THAT hard to get a hold of especially if you don't fukk it off with drinking and smokes and general BS expenditures.

It's been 2 years since we've had anything new. I will def be in-line with my $1,000 on the 20th of Aug at Microcenter at 2 or 3am ... waiting .. IF .. that's the actual release date of the GTX 1180.

And, a month later when 3rd party 1180's come out with better cooling, I'll exchange my card.

I am super-duper-crazy-excited.

Also, some of you guys still have a bit of time to dump your 1070's and 1080's, 1080 ti's, add a few hundred and be in position here in a few weeks.
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so were not pc gamers because we are concerned about price?

also who the fuck sells their cards BEFORE they have one to replace it with?
 
In regard to price, I spent more on my headphones than I did my video card. I have no regrets in regard to either decision.

In regard to purchases and marriage, neither my wife nor I micromanage the purchases we make. We both work and earn income and we both have the right to spend what we make. However, because we are married and have long-term goals, we do discuss 'large' purchases that can have potential financial consequences. It's not about 'being a man'; it's called courtesy and respect.

In regard to purchases, potential or otherwise, in this thread and others, I have no problem with someone deciding to spend his/her money on whatever they want. It's none of my business. I'll be more than happy to chime in if I think you're giving other people bad hardware advice, though.
 
Phlorge said:
so were not pc gamers because we are concerned about price?

also who the fuck sells their cards BEFORE they have one to replace it with?
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Hardcore gamers sure don't that I can assure you.

That guy is basically nvidia's wet dream of a customer, will pay the maximum price and then take a loss to buy the AIB when it comes out.
 
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I remember the days when I was able to afford the most high-end cards. Not anymore. I'll quit PC's and PC gaming all together at these prices. My current rig will have to do.
 
Spoonie_G said:
I remember the days when I was able to afford the most high-end cards. Not anymore. I'll quit PC's and PC gaming all together at these prices. My current rig will have to do.
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I'm pretty much at that point also. Waiting to see if AMD will release anything at a reasonable price to performance point until I call it quits.
 
euskalzabe said:
I don't know if it's society at large, or just progressively younger members coming from a more comfortable generation, but in the past several years I see an increasingly alarming elitism and entitlement in the [H] forums.
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Yep.... Tis a shame.

Like everything else in life, I buy the tool FOR THE JOB.

Look at my sig, all I play is stuff like Fortnite/Overwatch/Grim Dawn/Path of Exile.

It more than gets the job done, but would I have minded picking up a 1060 last year? No.

But, I'm also no mark that's gonna pay 400 bucks for one either.

I typically upgrade my GPU ever 2-2.5 years and always at the $250 price point. Because.... it is more than enough for what I do.

Now, for you elite guys dropping $700+ on a card; go to town!! I just have no need for it and would rather invest my money in other interests.
 
I don't get the labels around here. Buy what you can and quit complaining about pricing. No one is entitled to a high-end gaming card for peanuts and no one should knock someone for buying less than high-end. Gaming is a luxury and if you can't afford it then you can't afford it. However, you aren't entitled to cheap shit. Fucking whiners everywhere it seems.
 
Montu said:
I don't get the labels around here. Buy what you can and quit complaining about pricing. No one is entitled to a high-end gaming card for peanuts and no one should knock someone for buying less than high-end. Gaming is a luxury and if you can't afford it then you can't afford it. However, you aren't entitled to cheap shit. Fucking whiners everywhere it seems.
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I didn’t see anyone asking for cheap shit. People were rather pissed at rumor of 1180 being way more expensive. Which is pretty damn High. People are complaining about the eventual high price tab. Your post started good but as soon as you called people fuckin whiners for voicing their opinion you did the same thing you were trying to avoid in my opinion. No one is saying oh shit give me 1180 for 200. People are debating high price tag until someone came in and started calling them names and shit. Like they weren’t real gamers. Keyboard warriors are every where though in this day and age. I am not sure where anyone here said they were entitled to cheap shit! Buy what you can, if one is a bad ass, upper class mofo stol bragging and learn to voice opinion in respectable manner.
 
Not sure why people bitching about pricing when no one here even knows how much it will cost, why not bitch about it after Nvidia announce the price.
 
Crosshairs said:
How dare them try and capitalize on their technology...video cards are a birthright and should be affordable to anyone who wants one....
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You are right, it is common practice for Retailers to up charge 20% higher on product releases as an early adopter tax.
I recall Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo doing the same thing with "founders editions" on their console releases.
Thank you for reminding us that it is not just Nvidia using these price gouging tactics on their fan base.
 
sleepybp said:
You are right, it is common practice for Retailers to up charge 20% higher on product releases as an early adopter tax.
I recall Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo doing the same thing with "founders editions" on their console releases.
Thank you for reminding us that it is not just Nvidia using these price gouging tactics on their fan base.
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Retail price and then +100 founders edition crap was the biggest bullshit I have ever seen lol. Just make founders edition retail price and stop bullshitting lol.
 
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pendragon1 said:
i hope they hit you with a restocking fee. that will* cost them money just so you can game sooner. never worked in retail im guessing...

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Nah Microcenter is crazy cool when it comes to returns. I've talked to several of the manages, returns are very small at the Olathe store, 7% and he/she said they still don't lose money. I returned my Founders 1080 ti for a MSI 1080 ti Gaming-X 3+ or so weeks later. Can't remember if I paid anything additional.
 
sleepybp said:
You are right, it is common practice for Retailers to up charge 20% higher on product releases as an early adopter tax.
I recall Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo doing the same thing with "founders editions" on their console releases.
Thank you for reminding us that it is not just Nvidia using these price gouging tactics on their fan base.
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And when people stop camping on the sidewalk outside the store, or hammering the F5 key trying to get whatever it is.... they will stop charging more.

thats just how it works.
 
SixFootDuo said:
Nah Microcenter is crazy cool when it comes to returns. I've talked to several of the manages, returns are very small at the Olathe store, 7% and he/she said they still don't lose money. I returned my Founders 1080 ti for a MSI 1080 ti Gaming-X 3+ or so weeks later. Can't remember if I paid anything additional.
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Micro Center is great and they don't charge restocking fees. That's a major reason I shop there and at Fry's.
 
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Montu said:
I don't get the labels around here. Buy what you can and quit complaining about pricing. No one is entitled to a high-end gaming card for peanuts and no one should knock someone for buying less than high-end. Gaming is a luxury and if you can't afford it then you can't afford it. However, you aren't entitled to cheap shit. Fucking whiners everywhere it seems.
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Fucking assholes everywhere here too. Oh look, I found one.
 
jkmetal said:
Fucking assholes everywhere here too. Oh look, I found one.
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But, Montu's right?

You aren't entitled to products at any price- that's someone else's labor. A lot of someone elses. Be happy that you can get what you can get at market prices at all, lol.
 
IdiotInCharge said:
But, Montu's right?

You aren't entitled to products at any price- that's someone else's labor. A lot of someone elses. Be happy that you can get what you can get at market prices at all, lol.
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He brought name calling into this by implying that because some of us believe that NV products are being sold at a price higher than what we believe they're worth, we're fucking whiners.
 
jkmetal said:
He brought name calling into this by implying that because some of us believe that NV products are being sold at a price higher than what we believe they're worth, we're fucking whiners.
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Well, I won't condone that. I'll add that complaints about pricing are justified if there is real price manipulation going on, but that's actually pretty rare in the generally fast-moving GPU business. MSRP is usually the introductory price suggestion and usually doesn't last more than maybe a month when availability ramps as usual and demand doesn't get turned up to stupid (crypto-craze).

Of course, I also absolutely recognize that pricing does affect some more than others.
 
If going by performance I'd project the following 'retail prices'

GTX 1180 $749
GTX 1170 $599
GTX 1160 $399

This gives just enough stratification to sell the cards but push down the older card prices only slightly.

Cut prices for old gen cards:
GTX 1080 TI $549 (when 1170 arrives)
GTX 1070 TI $349 (when 1160 arrives)
GTX 1060 $249

This is making performance assumptions that the GTX 1180 is significantly faster than 1080 Ti, that the 1170=1080 Ti, that the 1160>1070 Ti.

I think the 1160 will probably be in the 1070 Ti range of performance.

Things are about to get a lot more confusing as we see where these new GPUs actually slot in performance-wise and the price tags that Nvidia slaps on them.

I mean look at the 1180Ti. The 'retail' was $699 and it's still hovering around the $699-800 price point less than a month to release of the 1180.
 
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